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  • Robert Waldrop
    Dig it up and sell it by mail order, maybe on Ebay or through announcements in lists like this. Hmmm, probably best to do this in the fall or spring but I am
    Message 1 of 8 , Jun 12, 2004
      Dig it up and sell it by mail order, maybe on Ebay
      or through announcements in lists like this.
      Hmmm, probably best to do this in the fall or
      spring but I am not an expert on groundnut. It's
      not readily available as far as I know. Your
      problem could be somebody else's blessing.

      Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "ellenrowe2004" <elrowe@...>
      > My family's property in Maine is being taken
      over by American
      > groundnut. I have been reading up on it and
      realize that it is a
      > plant that many people try and cultivate as the
      tubers are edible,
      > but it is acting like kudzu, climbing up young
      saplings and pulling
      > them down and generally creating a canopy over
      the vegetation
      > that we originally planted. It seems to spread
      so quickly that it is
      > impossible to control it by mere weeding (we are
      not there
      > throughout the summer and it grows out of
      control during our
      > abscence)
      > Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could
      either
      > eradicate it or control it in as eco-friendly a
      manner possible?
      >
      > Thanks for any help or advice you can give me!
      >
      > Ellen Rowe
      >
    • mIEKAL aND
      exactly what I was thinking, I d buy a few pounds & you probably could move a bunch on the permaculture list... mIEKAL ... 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND
      Message 2 of 8 , Jun 12, 2004
        exactly what I was thinking, I'd buy a few pounds & you probably could
        move a bunch on the permaculture list... mIEKAL


        On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 05:29 PM, Robert Waldrop wrote:

        > Dig it up and sell it by mail order, maybe on Ebay
        > or through announcements in lists like this.
        > Hmmm, probably best to do this in the fall or
        > spring but I am not an expert on groundnut. It's
        > not readily available as far as I know. Your
        > problem could be somebody else's blessing.
        >
        > Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "ellenrowe2004" <elrowe@...>
        >> My family's property in Maine is being taken
        > over by American
        >> groundnut. I have been reading up on it and
        > realize that it is a
        >> plant that many people try and cultivate as the
        > tubers are edible,
        >> but it is acting like kudzu, climbing up young
        > saplings and pulling
        >> them down and generally creating a canopy over
        > the vegetation
        >> that we originally planted. It seems to spread
        > so quickly that it is
        >> impossible to control it by mere weeding (we are
        > not there
        >> throughout the summer and it grows out of
        > control during our
        >> abscence)
        >> Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could
        > either
        >> eradicate it or control it in as eco-friendly a
        > manner possible?
        >>
        >> Thanks for any help or advice you can give me!
        >>
        >> Ellen Rowe
        >>
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      • Hilary Robinson
        American groundnut? This is obviously not the same groundnut as we in England also know as peanut, which is a fairly low-growing herbaceous plant(and not hardy
        Message 3 of 8 , Jun 13, 2004
          American groundnut?
          This is obviously not the same groundnut as we in England also know as
          peanut, which is a fairly low-growing herbaceous plant(and not hardy in most
          of Britain, though we do get the odd unexpected plant when grey squirrels
          have stolen the seeds from bird-feeders and buried them). Just out of
          curiosity, do you have a Latin name?
          Regards, Hilary Robinson

          >From: "Robert Waldrop" <rmwj@...>
          >Reply-To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
          >To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
          >Subject: Re: [pfaf] Groundnut question
          >Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:29:11 -0500
          >
          >Dig it up and sell it by mail order, maybe on Ebay
          >or through announcements in lists like this.
          >Hmmm, probably best to do this in the fall or
          >spring but I am not an expert on groundnut. It's
          >not readily available as far as I know. Your
          >problem could be somebody else's blessing.
          >
          >Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City
          >
          >----- Original Message -----
          >From: "ellenrowe2004" <elrowe@...>
          > > My family's property in Maine is being taken
          >over by American
          > > groundnut. I have been reading up on it and
          >realize that it is a
          > > plant that many people try and cultivate as the
          >tubers are edible,
          > > but it is acting like kudzu, climbing up young
          >saplings and pulling
          > > them down and generally creating a canopy over
          >the vegetation
          > > that we originally planted. It seems to spread
          >so quickly that it is
          > > impossible to control it by mere weeding (we are
          >not there
          > > throughout the summer and it grows out of
          >control during our
          > > abscence)
          > > Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could
          >either
          > > eradicate it or control it in as eco-friendly a
          >manner possible?
          > >
          > > Thanks for any help or advice you can give me!
          > >
          > > Ellen Rowe
          > >
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        • elrowe@umich.edu
          ... The latin name for American Groundnut is Apios Americana. Ellen Rowe
          Message 4 of 8 , Jun 13, 2004
            Quoting Hilary Robinson <hilrobinson@...>:

            > Hi Hilary -

            The latin name for American Groundnut is Apios Americana.

            Ellen Rowe
            >
            >
            >
            > American groundnut?
            >
            > This is obviously not the same groundnut as we in England also know as
            >
            > peanut, which is a fairly low-growing herbaceous plant(and not hardy in most
            >
            > of Britain, though we do get the odd unexpected plant when grey squirrels
            >
            > have stolen the seeds from bird-feeders and buried them). Just out of
            >
            > curiosity, do you have a Latin name?
            >
            > Regards, Hilary Robinson
            >
            >
            >
            > >From: "Robert Waldrop" <rmwj@...>
            >
            > >Reply-To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
            >
            > >To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
            >
            > >Subject: Re: [pfaf] Groundnut question
            >
            > >Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:29:11 -0500
            >
            > >
            >
            > >Dig it up and sell it by mail order, maybe on Ebay
            >
            > >or through announcements in lists like this.
            >
            > >Hmmm, probably best to do this in the fall or
            >
            > >spring but I am not an expert on groundnut.  It's
            >
            > >not readily available as far as I know.  Your
            >
            > >problem could be somebody else's blessing.
            >
            > >
            >
            > >Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City
            >
            > >
            >
            > >----- Original Message -----
            >
            > >From: "ellenrowe2004" <elrowe@...>
            >
            > > >    My family's property in Maine is being taken
            >
            > >over by American
            >
            > > > groundnut.  I have been reading up on it and
            >
            > >realize that it is a
            >
            > > > plant that many people try and cultivate as the
            >
            > >tubers are edible,
            >
            > > > but it is acting like kudzu, climbing up young
            >
            > >saplings and pulling
            >
            > > > them down and generally creating a canopy over
            >
            > >the vegetation
            >
            > > > that we originally planted. It seems to spread
            >
            > >so quickly that it is
            >
            > > > impossible to control it by mere weeding (we are
            >
            > >not there
            >
            > > > throughout the summer and it grows out of
            >
            > >control during our
            >
            > > > abscence)
            >
            > > >   Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could
            >
            > >either
            >
            > > > eradicate it or control it in as eco-friendly a
            >
            > >manner possible?
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > Thanks for any help or advice you can give me!
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > Ellen Rowe
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          • KenFern
            The Latin name is Apios americana. It has a huge potential as a food crop - look it up in the PFAF database. Ken Fern ... From: Hilary Robinson
            Message 5 of 8 , Jun 14, 2004
              The Latin name is Apios americana. It has a huge potential as a food crop -
              look it up in the PFAF database.

              Ken Fern

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Hilary Robinson" <hilrobinson@...>
              To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:48 PM
              Subject: Re: [pfaf] Groundnut question


              > American groundnut?
              > This is obviously not the same groundnut as we in England also know as
              > peanut, which is a fairly low-growing herbaceous plant(and not hardy in
              most
              > of Britain, though we do get the odd unexpected plant when grey squirrels
              > have stolen the seeds from bird-feeders and buried them). Just out of
              > curiosity, do you have a Latin name?
              > Regards, Hilary Robinson
              >
              > >From: "Robert Waldrop" <rmwj@...>
              > >Reply-To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
              > >Subject: Re: [pfaf] Groundnut question
              > >Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:29:11 -0500
              > >
              > >Dig it up and sell it by mail order, maybe on Ebay
              > >or through announcements in lists like this.
              > >Hmmm, probably best to do this in the fall or
              > >spring but I am not an expert on groundnut. It's
              > >not readily available as far as I know. Your
              > >problem could be somebody else's blessing.
              > >
              > >Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City
              > >
              > >----- Original Message -----
              > >From: "ellenrowe2004" <elrowe@...>
              > > > My family's property in Maine is being taken
              > >over by American
              > > > groundnut. I have been reading up on it and
              > >realize that it is a
              > > > plant that many people try and cultivate as the
              > >tubers are edible,
              > > > but it is acting like kudzu, climbing up young
              > >saplings and pulling
              > > > them down and generally creating a canopy over
              > >the vegetation
              > > > that we originally planted. It seems to spread
              > >so quickly that it is
              > > > impossible to control it by mere weeding (we are
              > >not there
              > > > throughout the summer and it grows out of
              > >control during our
              > > > abscence)
              > > > Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could
              > >either
              > > > eradicate it or control it in as eco-friendly a
              > >manner possible?
              > > >
              > > > Thanks for any help or advice you can give me!
              > > >
              > > > Ellen Rowe
              > > >
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            • KenFern
              Hi Can I ask just how vigorous your plants are? My information is that the plant rarely grows more than 4 feet high (though occasional plants I am growing here
              Message 6 of 8 , Jun 14, 2004
                Hi

                Can I ask just how vigorous your plants are? My information is that the
                plant rarely grows more than 4 feet high (though occasional plants I am
                growing here have managed to get 5 feet into a young hawthorn). If your
                plants are more vigorous than this, then I assume you have identified them
                correctly?

                Have you visited http://plants.usda.gov/. There is a lot of info here about
                native American plants.

                As to controlling it, if you are certain that it is Apios americana then,
                after saving a few tubers and sending them to me at

                Plants for a Future
                The Field
                Penpol
                Lostwithiel
                Cornwall
                PL22 0NG

                (actually, you don't have to, but I wouldn't be upset if a few tubers found
                there way to Cornwall!!!)

                You could try controlling it by cutting down all the growth each time you
                are there (which will weaken it considerably) and then thoroughly raking the
                top few inches of the soil during the dormant season. Most of the tubers
                will be found in this shallow depth of soil - try baking them, they are
                delicious. Repeat this for a couple of years and you should find a very
                considerable reduction in the amount of plants growing. You can then simply
                keep the plant in control by raking each dormant period and eating most of
                the tubers.

                This is not the fastest way of controlling it, but is safer than chemicals.
                If the plants were not growing in amongst your other plants then sheet
                mulching would be the best answer - when applied in the spring it gives
                total eradication within 18 months and also re-fertilizes the soil.

                Hope this is of some help'

                Ken Fern

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "ellenrowe2004" <elrowe@...>
                To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:18 PM
                Subject: [pfaf] Groundnut question


                > Hi -
                > My family's property in Maine is being taken over by American
                > groundnut. I have been reading up on it and realize that it is a
                > plant that many people try and cultivate as the tubers are edible,
                > but it is acting like kudzu, climbing up young saplings and pulling
                > them down and generally creating a canopy over the vegetation
                > that we originally planted. It seems to spread so quickly that it is
                > impossible to control it by mere weeding (we are not there
                > throughout the summer and it grows out of control during our
                > abscence)
                > Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could either
                > eradicate it or control it in as eco-friendly a manner possible?
                >
                > Thanks for any help or advice you can give me!
                >
                > Ellen Rowe
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Ellen Rowe
                Hi Ken - Thank you for your advice! I can t say that I have ever seen these plants going higher than 3 feet as they often twine around each other and make a
                Message 7 of 8 , Jun 14, 2004
                  Hi Ken -

                  Thank you for your advice! I can't say that I have ever seen these
                  plants going higher than 3 feet as they often twine around each other and
                  make a canopy over ferns and small saplings around 2 feet off the ground.
                  The identification came from a vascular plant specialist at the Herbarium
                  at the University of Michigan where I teach, so I assume it is correct. I
                  will happily send you some tubers when I get back up there in late July or
                  early August, but will be doing my best to discourage it after that!

                  Ellen Rowe

                  --On Monday, June 14, 2004 10:44 AM +0100 KenFern <ken.fern@...>
                  wrote:

                  > Hi
                  >
                  > Can I ask just how vigorous your plants are? My information is that the
                  > plant rarely grows more than 4 feet high (though occasional plants I am
                  > growing here have managed to get 5 feet into a young hawthorn). If your
                  > plants are more vigorous than this, then I assume you have identified them
                  > correctly?
                  >
                  > Have you visited http://plants.usda.gov/. There is a lot of info here
                  > about native American plants.
                  >
                  > As to controlling it, if you are certain that it is Apios americana then,
                  > after saving a few tubers and sending them to me at
                  >
                  > Plants for a Future
                  > The Field
                  > Penpol
                  > Lostwithiel
                  > Cornwall
                  > PL22 0NG
                  >
                  > (actually, you don't have to, but I wouldn't be upset if a few tubers
                  > found there way to Cornwall!!!)
                  >
                  > You could try controlling it by cutting down all the growth each time you
                  > are there (which will weaken it considerably) and then thoroughly raking
                  > the top few inches of the soil during the dormant season. Most of the
                  > tubers will be found in this shallow depth of soil - try baking them,
                  > they are delicious. Repeat this for a couple of years and you should find
                  > a very considerable reduction in the amount of plants growing. You can
                  > then simply keep the plant in control by raking each dormant period and
                  > eating most of the tubers.
                  >
                  > This is not the fastest way of controlling it, but is safer than
                  > chemicals. If the plants were not growing in amongst your other plants
                  > then sheet mulching would be the best answer - when applied in the spring
                  > it gives total eradication within 18 months and also re-fertilizes the
                  > soil.
                  >
                  > Hope this is of some help'
                  >
                  > Ken Fern
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "ellenrowe2004" <elrowe@...>
                  > To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:18 PM
                  > Subject: [pfaf] Groundnut question
                  >
                  >
                  > > Hi -
                  > > My family's property in Maine is being taken over by American
                  > > groundnut. I have been reading up on it and realize that it is a
                  > > plant that many people try and cultivate as the tubers are edible,
                  > > but it is acting like kudzu, climbing up young saplings and pulling
                  > > them down and generally creating a canopy over the vegetation
                  > > that we originally planted. It seems to spread so quickly that it is
                  > > impossible to control it by mere weeding (we are not there
                  > > throughout the summer and it grows out of control during our
                  > > abscence)
                  > > Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could either
                  > > eradicate it or control it in as eco-friendly a manner possible?
                  > >
                  > > Thanks for any help or advice you can give me!
                  > >
                  > > Ellen Rowe
                  > >
                  > >
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