Re: [pfaf] Our physiology, determines what we eat.
Nutrition is widely controversial, we know that from all that’s been written so far on this post (some pretty good pros & cons, by the way). You can’t believe everything you read, though, especially on the internet, but also in books and newspapers. Milton R. Mills, M.D.,is a Stanford University-trained physician specializing in nutrition, and, though I’m sure he’s very learned, he doesn’t know everything (and neither does ANY one person). If you want to get at the truth of ANY matter, be well read and then make your own decisions and see what it does to your body.
Weston A. Price (someone mentioned in a previous post) was a dentist who traveled all over the world in the 1930s & did research on people eating food from their native land (including meat) and showed that not only were they healthier, but had teeth with fewer dental caries. Price often found that the health problems were caused by a lack of animal products. People who were (and are now) eating the standard American diet in America were suffering from chronic & degenerative diseases.
Also, if we were meant to only eat plant food, then plant food should contain all the nutrients that the human body needs, which it doesn’t. Case in point, vitamin B12, which is only found naturally in significant quantities in animal products. Another case in point, conjugated linoleic acid (another form of omega-6) - the most abundant natural form is found in meat and dairy products from grass-fed ruminants. (Some mushrooms like Agaricus bisporus and Agaricus subrufescens, are rare non-animal sources of CLA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid )(Plant oils such as coconut oil and safflower oil also contain this antioxidant fatty acid. According to the the "Journal of Food Consumption and Analysis" study, the levels of conjugated linoleic acid in these oils are minimal http://www.livestrong.com/article/311111-the-sources-of-naturally-occurring-conjugated-linoleic-acid/ )
Other cases in point:
Myth: Vegetarians live longer.
Truth: The annual all-cause death rate of vegetarian men is slightly more than that of non-vegetarian men (.93% vs .89%); the annual all-cause death rate of vegetarian women is significantly more than that of non-vegetarian women (.86% vs .54%) (Wise Traditions 2000 1:4:16-17).
Myth: Vitamin B12 can be obtained from certain plant sources such as blue-green algae and fermented soy products.
Truth: Vitamin B12 is not absorbed from plant sources. Modern soy products actually increase the body’s need for B12 (Soybeans: Chemistry & Technology
Vol 1 1972).
EXPERIMENT ON YOURSELF TO SEE IF YOU AREN’T HEALTHIER BY ADDING EGGS AND/OR DAIRY OCCASIONALLY TO YOUR DIET (IF YOU DON’T WANT MEAT).
From: fran k <frank_bowman@...>
Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 12:00:57 PM
Subject: [pfaf] Our physiology, determines what we eat.
Hi. For everyones info on our physiology and what we as an animal are developed to eat.
Heres a medical essay on:
Our physiology entitled 'The Comparative Anatomy of Eating' by Milton R Mills. M.D.
Have a look at the comments following the article. Theyre very interesting.
On Sun, 01 May 2011 15:00 BST Gail Lloyd wrote:
>Also read The Whole Soy Story by Kaayla T. Daniel, to find out the dark side of
>I believe that fermented soy (tempeh, miso, natto, namu shoyu) in small amounts
>are fine because any fermented food in small amounts help digestion.
>Humans need the nutrients in meat that are not found in very many plant foods
>(and not easily obtainable). But we don't need meat in large
>quantities...probably once a month or so would be just fine, because our bodies
>hold some nutrients for a long time. Just think of what our ancient ancestors
>needed...they hunted for their meat and didn't get it every day. Our bodies are
>pretty much the same now as then, with few differences as far as nutrition is
>concerned. You can find more info on this when you google Paleolithic diet.
>I've always believed that almost everything is good in moderation (with the
>exception of refined foods and foods that have been tampered with by humans like
>putting pesticides on produce, giving grains to grass-eating animals etc). Jack
>LaLane always said, "If man made it, don't eat it."...I think he had a very
>To back up my theories, I've tried all different kinds of diets, including
>vegetarian. I know everyone is a little different, yet we're all basically the
>same, and we have teeth with molars to prove it (meant to chew meat). I eat a
>mostly vegetarian diet with mostly raw foods, with very little processed foods,
>and free-range meat occasionally, and free-range eggs at least 3X/wk. I can
>count on one hand the number of times I've been sick in the last 20 years of
>following this diet. That is proof enough for me. I'm 62, 5'6", weigh 115 lb
>and never felt better.
>From: john willis <wilf1946@...>
>Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 11:17:56 AM
>Subject: RE: [pfaf] Re: Plant based diets Was "definition of "farm"
>BUT - world demand for meat can only be met by intensive, industrialised farming
>and the damage done by that is unsustainable................so, if we cannot
>live without it and producing it cannot be sustained where do we go from here.
>Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:36:05 +0000
>Subject: [pfaf] Re: Plant based diets Was "definition of "farm"
>Annie, to be polite let me just say that I completely disagree with your "facts"
>and I will simply ask you to tell me which traditional cultures-ones that aren't
>dependent on mechanized industrialized agriculture and processing-have
>eliminated meat from their diet. In Japan, where many of the products you
>mentioned originate, they do NOT eat these foods in the way you mention. They
>are a very small part of the diet, more of a flavoring than a substantial part
>of any meal. BTW, even if all the soy produced in this country wasn't GMO, I
>wouldn't touch the stuff because it is very difficult even with long
>fermentation to remove all of the anti-nutrients and hormones from it. The only
>animals that do well with soy are poultry after the soy is roasted.
>It isn't just vitamins and amino acids. The fats contained only in meats also
>contain essential nutrition that support the hormone and immune system.
>Naturally raised meats and fat are necessary parts of a healthy diet. The list
>of why your regurgitation of what the industrialized food processing world would
>like us to believe about our food is wrong is too long to post. Your facts have
>no more scientific basis than Buddhism, although, I can see that your faith in
>soy beans is deep and heart felt. I suggest picking up Sally Fallon's
>"Nourishing Traditions" in which she deals with this subject in depth in the
>Introduction. You can also dig out the information http://www.westonaprice.org.
>--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Annie Sampson" <annie@...> wrote:
>> I am a nutritionist.................
- By the pic, it looks like the malaysian local fruit - chichu whose seeds look exactly the same & it's sweet & well liked by many.On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Javier Cosp <jcosp@...> wrote: