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  • Joseph A. Cleary
    Dear Patty: Before you cut the shoots off the tree is when you get roots started. You cut into the stalk of the shoot but not all the way through. You place a
    Message 1 of 14 , Nov 8, 2009
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              Dear Patty:
                  Before you cut the shoots off the tree is when you get roots started. You cut into the stalk of the  shoot but not all the way through. You place a toothpick or a small piece of wood in the cut and pack it with wet moss. You tie up both ends with either a twist tie or string around it place a thin piece of plastic to insure that the moss stays put. Every day you wet it until you see roots poking through to the out side. Some use a rooting compound others use wet sand, for me wet moss works best.
                  I'm sure that others will have better ideas than mine.
                  Good Luck.
                  Be Well.
      Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.
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      Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:25 AM
      Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings

       

      Can you coppice the tree?  (cut down to trunk stool and let new shoots emerge)? Can you harvest the new shoots and reroot as trees? How do you do this? What trees can you grow from root cuttings? If you harvest in Fall, can you use shoot cuttings instead of seed nuts? Anyone experienced with rooting shoots?

    • Gail Lloyd
      the suckers of trees are easiest to start a new tree...just dig up with some of the root system & repot. Gail ... From: Patty Martz
      Message 2 of 14 , Nov 8, 2009
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        the suckers of trees are easiest to start a new tree...just dig up with some of the root system & repot.
        Gail

        --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Patty Martz <volvelle2003@...> wrote:

        From: Patty Martz <volvelle2003@...>
        Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
        To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:25 AM

         
        Can you coppice the tree?  (cut down to trunk stool and let new shoots emerge)? Can you harvest the new shoots and reroot as trees? How do you do this? What trees can you grow from root cuttings? If you harvest in Fall, can you use shoot cuttings instead of seed nuts? Anyone experienced with rooting shoots?


      • Linda Morris
        Hello: I live in FLorida, USA; I have rooted other larg plants from cuttings of the limbs. In the middle of summer I break off about a foot of limb and then
        Message 3 of 14 , Nov 8, 2009
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          Hello:
          I live in FLorida, USA; I have rooted other larg plants from cuttings of the limbs.
          In the middle of summer I break off about a foot of limb and then take off the first finger length and throw away,, then take all the leaves off but the top two, stand in water and wait for about 2 months,,,some well root and some dont,,,,the reason for the middle of summer is it is new growth, but mature new growth, not old growth.  I have some tropical trees from some wher that a call spinich trees, and a youg leave broke off and I rooted it.
          Linda USA

          --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Patty Martz <volvelle2003@...> wrote:

          From: Patty Martz <volvelle2003@...>
          Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
          To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:25 AM

           
          Can you coppice the tree?  (cut down to trunk stool and let new shoots emerge)? Can you harvest the new shoots and reroot as trees? How do you do this? What trees can you grow from root cuttings? If you harvest in Fall, can you use shoot cuttings instead of seed nuts? Anyone experienced with rooting shoots?


        • Linda Morris
          What kind of tree are you speaking about? Linda ... From: Gail Lloyd Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings To:
          Message 4 of 14 , Nov 8, 2009
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            What kind of tree are you speaking about? Linda

            --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...> wrote:

            From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
            Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
            To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 4:01 PM

             
            the suckers of trees are easiest to start a new tree...just dig up with some of the root system & repot.
            Gail

            --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Patty Martz <volvelle2003@ yahoo.com> wrote:

            From: Patty Martz <volvelle2003@ yahoo.com>
            Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
            To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
            Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:25 AM

             
            Can you coppice the tree?  (cut down to trunk stool and let new shoots emerge)? Can you harvest the new shoots and reroot as trees? How do you do this? What trees can you grow from root cuttings? If you harvest in Fall, can you use shoot cuttings instead of seed nuts? Anyone experienced with rooting shoots?



          • Gail Lloyd
            this is called air layering.  you can find more info at http://www.mastergardenproducts.com/gardenerscorner/new_page_4.htm Gail ... From: Joseph A. Cleary
            Message 5 of 14 , Nov 11, 2009
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              this is called air layering.  you can find more info at http://www.mastergardenproducts.com/gardenerscorner/new_page_4.htm
              Gail

              --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Joseph A. Cleary <josepa2@...> wrote:

              From: Joseph A. Cleary <josepa2@...>
              Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
              To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
              Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:43 PM

               
                      Dear Patty:
                          Before you cut the shoots off the tree is when you get roots started. You cut into the stalk of the  shoot but not all the way through. You place a toothpick or a small piece of wood in the cut and pack it with wet moss. You tie up both ends with either a twist tie or string around it place a thin piece of plastic to insure that the moss stays put. Every day you wet it until you see roots poking through to the out side. Some use a rooting compound others use wet sand, for me wet moss works best.
                          I'm sure that others will have better ideas than mine.
                          Good Luck.
                          Be Well.
              Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:25 AM
              Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings

               
              Can you coppice the tree?  (cut down to trunk stool and let new shoots emerge)? Can you harvest the new shoots and reroot as trees? How do you do this? What trees can you grow from root cuttings? If you harvest in Fall, can you use shoot cuttings instead of seed nuts? Anyone experienced with rooting shoots?


            • Gail Lloyd
              Any tree that has suckers growing up on the ground by the trunk.  For more info, see http://en.allexperts.com/q/Seeding-Propagation-733/tree-propagation-1.htm
              Message 6 of 14 , Nov 11, 2009
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                Any tree that has suckers growing up on the ground by the trunk.  For more info, see http://en.allexperts.com/q/Seeding-Propagation-733/tree-propagation-1.htm
                Gail

                --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Linda Morris <merryanne1947@...> wrote:

                From: Linda Morris <merryanne1947@...>
                Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
                To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:18 PM

                 
                What kind of tree are you speaking about? Linda

                --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@ yahoo.com>
                Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
                To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
                Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 4:01 PM

                 
                the suckers of trees are easiest to start a new tree...just dig up with some of the root system & repot.
                Gail

                --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Patty Martz <volvelle2003@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                From: Patty Martz <volvelle2003@ yahoo.com>
                Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
                To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
                Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:25 AM

                 
                Can you coppice the tree?  (cut down to trunk stool and let new shoots emerge)? Can you harvest the new shoots and reroot as trees? How do you do this? What trees can you grow from root cuttings? If you harvest in Fall, can you use shoot cuttings instead of seed nuts? Anyone experienced with rooting shoots?




              • Patty Martz
                Really, I m just seeking a general formula method. A Basic Method that could be applied to most trees (or other plants), with slight modifications for
                Message 7 of 14 , Nov 12, 2009
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                  Really, I'm just seeking a general"formula" method. A "Basic Method" that could be applied to most trees (or other plants), with slight modifications for specific varieties that are more complicated.


                  From: Linda Morris <merryanne1947@...>
                  To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 4:18:22 PM
                  Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings

                   

                  What kind of tree are you speaking about? Linda

                  --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                  From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@ yahoo.com>
                  Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
                  To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
                  Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 4:01 PM

                   
                  the suckers of trees are easiest to start a new tree...just dig up with some of the root system & repot.
                  Gail

                  --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Patty Martz <volvelle2003@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                  From: Patty Martz <volvelle2003@ yahoo.com>
                  Subject: Re: [pfaf] trees from new shoots/cuttings
                  To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
                  Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:25 AM

                   
                  Can you coppice the tree?  (cut down to trunk stool and let new shoots emerge)? Can you harvest the new shoots and reroot as trees? How do you do this? What trees can you grow from root cuttings? If you harvest in Fall, can you use shoot cuttings instead of seed nuts? Anyone experienced with rooting shoots?




                • Patty Martz
                  Does anyone have any plant-based formulas to save seeds without fungus, molds, or pests? Any suggestions for drying/preserving seeds in high humidity would be
                  Message 8 of 14 , Nov 12, 2009
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                    Does anyone have any plant-based formulas to save seeds without fungus, molds, or pests? Any suggestions for drying/preserving seeds in high humidity would be helpful, too.

                  • Denise4Peace
                    Please comment on experience with growing, and especially coppicing any/all of the trees mentioned below! Ash trees produce numerous suckers and therefore are
                    Message 9 of 14 , Nov 12, 2009
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                      Please comment on experience with growing, and especially coppicing any/all of the trees mentioned below!

                      Ash trees produce numerous suckers and therefore are excellent for coppicing (cutting the tree down close to the ground so that multiple suckers spring up from the stump). Ash is also a good lumber tree--unusual for such a fast-growing tree.

                      This year, my husband and I have also discovered that ash is EXCELLENT FIREWOOD! Seasoned, ash seems to catch fire easier than oak and burns almost as long. Both leave little ash behind, reducing the number of times we have to get out the ash bucket and shovel.

                      The BTU rating for ash as firewood is among the highest, at 25.9, exceeded only by White Oak and Black Locust (26.5), Hard Maple, aka Sugar or Rock Maple (29.7), Madrone (30) and Hickory (30.8).

                      These qualities seem to make ash an excellent Permaculture tree.
                      Does anyone have experience or knowledge of how suitable these other trees are for coppicing? Oak, from what I've seen, does not spring back from the root once cut.

                      Notes:

                      Ash is susceptable to ash borers.

                      Black Locust and Madrone are hard to split. Maple is very slow growing (12" height and .2" diameter per year)

                      Cottonwood has the lowest rating among trees commonly used for firewood--only 12.2.

                      Least recommended: Spruce, Chestnut and Yellow Poplar.

                      http://www.thelograck.com/firewood_rating_chart.html
                    • Ossi Kakko
                      give them smoke for 20 minutes. burning alder is great for that, maybe mixed with a spice of spruce or juniper. ossi kakko finland
                      Message 10 of 14 , Nov 12, 2009
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                        give them smoke for 20 minutes. burning alder is great for that, maybe
                        mixed with a spice of spruce or juniper.

                        ossi kakko
                        finland

                        > Does anyone have any plant-based formulas to save seeds without fungus,
                        > molds, or pests? Any suggestions for drying/preserving seeds in high
                        > humidity would be helpful, too.
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                      • hopkiles@yahoo.com
                        You still take me to sioux city tomorrow afternoon? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... From: Ossi Kakko Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009
                        Message 11 of 14 , Nov 12, 2009
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                          You still take me to sioux city tomorrow afternoon?

                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


                          From: "Ossi Kakko" <ossi@...>
                          Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:24:38 +0200 (EET)
                          To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
                          Subject: Re: [pfaf] Saving seeds without fungus, molds, or pests

                           

                          give them smoke for 20 minutes. burning alder is great for that, maybe
                          mixed with a spice of spruce or juniper.

                          ossi kakko
                          finland

                          > Does anyone have any plant-based formulas to save seeds without fungus,
                          > molds, or pests? Any suggestions for drying/preserving seeds in high
                          > humidity would be helpful, too.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >

                        • Caroline
                          Sycamore is supposed to be good for both coppicing and firewood (you must cut in the autumn when the sap has stopped rising and leave to mature until the
                          Message 12 of 14 , Nov 22, 2009
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                            Sycamore is supposed to be good for both coppicing and firewood (you must cut in the autumn when the sap has stopped rising and leave to mature until the following winter before using it). About to try it. Have tree that we will be topping in a couple of weeks.

                            Rather like sycamore as we are in an exposed windy location near the coast and it grows well around here. (Often considered to be a weed, but if you need vigour, go for a weed.)
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