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  • matthew@b-and-t-world-seeds.com
    The Aboriginal Australians seemed pretty well adapted to their home. The Yupik, Inuit and Aleut did pretty well. The Native Americans were doing OK. The
    Message 1 of 11 , Jun 18, 2009
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      The Aboriginal Australians seemed pretty well adapted to their home.
      The Yupik, Inuit and Aleut did pretty well.
      The Native Americans were doing OK.
      The Khoisan are surviving.
      The Yaghan are extinct.

      Part of the survival technique for all these peoples involve quite fixed systems, learnt over hundreds of generations, but usually curiosity remains an important part of their character.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: swampwitch@...
      To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: 6/18/09 6:54 PM
      Subject: [pfaf] About wineberry-rubus

      If we'd had the ability to adapt,
      instead of taking over and wrecking the land of Australia's indigenes,
      we would have said:
      "Wow! What a botanical paradise.
      How do you eat here? Can you show us how it's done please?"
      But it didn't happen, because they were hard-wired to replicate the old

      So no, I don't see a lot of evidence that we have en masse ever really
      learned the gentle art of adaptation.
      Instead, we seem to want to do what humans have seemingly nearly always
      we change everything to suit ourselves. Anthropocentric business as usual.

      Goodbye to nature as she knew it, hello to a world almost wholly
      dominated by the most unpredictable and selfish of all the earth's species,
      and the handful of hardy invasives they took with them everywhere they went.

      Permaculture desperately needs to embrace true biodiversity, not merely
      a botanic garden of edibles from here, there, and everywhere,
      living in splendid potty (and often unsustainable) isolation. That might
      mean, for example, giving N-fixing local/indigenous flora a place in PC
      designs: this would not hurt
      food gardens at all, in fact it would help. And in the long term, it
      would help to regenerate the original flora.

      A mark of true adaptation?


      matthew@... wrote:
      > lol D
      > yes, there is no going back.
      > there are few, if any, real wildernesses left - the South American
      > rainforests were slashed and farmed for 1000s of years, before the
      > Europeans arrived.
      > The garrigue in South France (where truffles grow round oaks) looks
      > wild, but is full of terraces and walls and not so long ago was
      > covered mainly in lime trees. Like parts of North Africa, it was
      > goated until most of the top-soil was lost, and is expected to become
      > Europe's next desert (no shortage of pines and olives).
      > Maybe there are odd places so inaccessible that they have never been
      > messed with - probably even a few little canyons here on Mindanao in
      > the Philippines, where the interior has only been occupied for a few
      > hundred years.
      > In the North northern hemisphere, we had the ice ages, where most of
      > the soil and vegetation was scraped away from enormous tracts of land.
      > This grew back incredibly quickly.
      > A few hundred years ago parts of the Kalahari desert were farmed,
      > before it was desert, and now it is desert, for a few years there were
      > gardens.
      > I guess things change - in the past our ancestors survived by changing
      > with the times, there are not many places left to go, and have we lost
      > the ability to adapt ?
      > Matt
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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