Re: [pfaf] Re: Humanure
- On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:38:14 -0000, you wrote:
>No, I don't know. You're way beyond my knowledge now. Sorry.
> Agreed! Any idea as how to compost it? The water is reasonably
>clear with a tinge of a brown hue. Maybe soaking straw in it and
>then composting the straw? And what temperature must the composting
>process reach, and for what duration of time at the specific temp?
Have you read 'The Humanure Handbook'? Maybe that would help.
You can read it online: http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html
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- you can use humanure as compost but if it is wet i.e. mixed with urine you will have to leave it to compost thoroughly for 2 years. This kills all know pathogens, especially in a warm country like yours. It is always safer to use humanure on trees, but if composted thoroughly but you can use it on the garden. The best way is to use a dry compost toilet, seperating urine that you can use as fertiliser. The shit should be mixed with a soak material so that it composts as the chamber fills. You can then close that chamber and start on another, leaving that poo and paper or sawdust etc to compost for a year or 2. It is then. Bacteria and invertebrates that live in compost piles are capable of digesting pretty much anything, even heavy metals. Your compost will probably be perfectly safe in a couple of months as the dangerous gut bacteria can not survive outside the gut for long, but it is better to be on the safe side.
Using the shit wet makes it more likely to carry nasty pathogans for longer as the environment is anoxic and those helpful bacteria can't survive.
Hope that helps
Warron <pinigardens@...> wrote:
I am a newby at organics, and was surprised to find out
about "humanure". The idea that human waste could be composted in an
open system "safely" had never occured to me. I myself have a 3
stage sceptic tank. The whole house contributes to this tank,
toilets,bath, shower, washing machine etc. ( I live in a secluded
area on a greek island and am not connected to any sewage mains). I
also only use biodegrable cleaning products, soaps, shampoos etc.
The tank is anaerobic (no pumping of oxygen into the system). When
it is full I pump it out to my olive trees and have seen a large
increase in olive oil productivity, but never dared to use it on my
vegetable garden nor my cut herb business; only on my fruit trees.
My questions are, how safe is "humanure", and is the system I am
using a safe one? Never had any problems up till now that I have
noticed, but maybe I am damaging the water table. I have a large
water well and had the tank built at a 50m distance from my well
hoping not to contaminate my water supply, even though it is a
closed concrete structure (my concrete is porous). Is this a good
distance? Have seen 'bacteria pellets' for tanks, should I use
this? I am not squeamish but overly cautious, thats' the virgo in
p.s. Should I donate some olive oil to speed up their "bowel
movements" in their attempt to reach the 2 ton goal?! :)
Light Life Love Liberty. LLLL
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> Hi all,
> I've just had a call from Mirie one of the organisers of the
> change camp, being held at the end of August.
> They are hoping to collect all their human waste and send it to
> who could use it. They are expecting to have about 2 tons.
> Does anyone know of anyone who could cope with 2 tons of nutrients?
> If so contant
> Mirie 0777 498 751 debrirr@...
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- We let our humanure pile set for 2 years, and have 3 piles we rotate. The Chinese have been using "night soil" to fertilise rice paddies for millenium, which just goes to show that you can become immune to almost anything. I, however, do not trust our pile to use on the veggies, but we do spread it under the trees.
Last year, we both got intestinal crud after spreading the humanure, and I was sure we had killed ourselves. But talking on the phone with my family in Austin, they all had the same crud that week, so I think it was something "going around" and not contamination from the humanure. What a relief...!
I read in Discover magazine that hogs fed on corn fertilized with hog manure have much lower cholera rates that hogs fed on chemically fertilized corn. Makes sense to me.
Traveler in Thyme
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- --- Traveler in Thyme <marcia@...> wrote:
> We let our humanure pile set for 2 years, and have 3Presumably you'd heat the rice enough to kill bacteria
> piles we rotate. The Chinese have been using
> "night soil" to fertilise rice paddies for
> millenium, which just goes to show that you can
> become immune to almost anything. I, however, do
> not trust our pile to use on the veggies, but we do
> spread it under the trees.
and viruses when it's cooked. Prions wouldn't be
killed, though, I don't think.
I think I'd keep it under the trees too.
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