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5544Re: [pfaf] Re: Plant based diets Was "definition of "farm"

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  • Gail Lloyd
    May 1, 2011

      Also read The Whole Soy Story by Kaayla T. Daniel, to find out the dark side of soy. 

      I believe that fermented soy (tempeh, miso, natto, namu shoyu) in small amounts are fine because any fermented food in small amounts help digestion.

      Humans need the nutrients in meat that are not found in very many plant foods (and not easily obtainable).  But we don't need meat in large quantities...probably once a month or so would be just fine, because our bodies hold some nutrients for a long time.  Just think of what our ancient ancestors needed...they hunted for their meat and didn't get it every day.  Our bodies are pretty much the same now as then, with few differences as far as nutrition is concerned.  You can find more info on this when you google Paleolithic diet. 

      I've always believed that almost everything is good in moderation (with the exception of refined foods and foods that have been tampered with by humans like putting pesticides on produce, giving grains to grass-eating animals etc).  Jack LaLane always said, "If man made it, don't eat it."...I think he had a very valid point. 

      To back up my theories, I've tried all different kinds of diets, including vegetarian.  I know everyone is a little different, yet we're all basically the same, and we have teeth with molars to prove it (meant to chew meat). I eat a mostly vegetarian diet with mostly raw foods, with very little processed foods, and free-range meat occasionally, and free-range eggs at least 3X/wk.  I can count on one hand the number of times I've been sick in the last 20 years of following this diet.  That is proof enough for me.  I'm 62, 5'6", weigh 115 lb and never felt better.


      From: john willis <wilf1946@...>
      To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 11:17:56 AM
      Subject: RE: [pfaf] Re: Plant based diets Was "definition of "farm"


      BUT - world demand for meat can only be met by intensive, industrialised farming and the damage done by that is unsustainable................so, if we cannot live without it and producing it cannot be sustained where do we go from here.


      To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
      From: camaspermaculture@...
      Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:36:05 +0000
      Subject: [pfaf] Re: Plant based diets Was "definition of "farm"


      Annie, to be polite let me just say that I completely disagree with your "facts" and I will simply ask you to tell me which traditional cultures-ones that aren't dependent on mechanized industrialized agriculture and processing-have eliminated meat from their diet. In Japan, where many of the products you mentioned originate, they do NOT eat these foods in the way you mention. They are a very small part of the diet, more of a flavoring than a substantial part of any meal. BTW, even if all the soy produced in this country wasn't GMO, I wouldn't touch the stuff because it is very difficult even with long fermentation to remove all of the anti-nutrients and hormones from it. The only animals that do well with soy are poultry after the soy is roasted.
      It isn't just vitamins and amino acids. The fats contained only in meats also contain essential nutrition that support the hormone and immune system. Naturally raised meats and fat are necessary parts of a healthy diet. The list of why your regurgitation of what the industrialized food processing world would like us to believe about our food is wrong is too long to post. Your facts have no more scientific basis than Buddhism, although, I can see that your faith in soy beans is deep and heart felt. I suggest picking up Sally Fallon's "Nourishing Traditions" in which she deals with this subject in depth in the Introduction. You can also dig out the information http://www.westonaprice.org.
      --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "Annie Sampson" <annie@...> wrote:
      > Tom,
      > I am a nutritionist.................

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