216Re: [pennsicgames] Set-up week
- May 2, 2011On May 2, 2011, at 2:35 AM, James McAdams wrote:
On 5/1/2011 10:13 PM, Daniel Adler wrote:
That is Midnight Madness day, btw.....you might want to pick a different night, since it will be kinda busy that night and people may want to go shopping.It's also a day with minimal war points, so potentially more opportunity for people to engage. I didn't think Midnight Madness really got started until after sundown, so that's when I set the end for it.It varies depending on the merchant. For example, I usually am open in the morning, closed during the afternoon, and reopen again after dinner on Midnight Madness day. There's a minimum 8 hrs. a day merchants must be open. The other days I stay open all the time, close for dinner and reopen and close when customers stop coming in at night.
I'd encourage them to play a different variant, but not require it. (If it's something neither have played before, I don't object to them having a re-match with a little familiarity). Likewise, I want to avoid time limits and adjudication - not the least of which because I'm not skilled enough to be comfortable in that role.I'd suggest that if two players face each other again, it be required that they play a different variant than they played before. I also suggest requiring time limits (or even minimums) for games, and adjudicate as needed at end of time limit if the game is not over.I am not a Tournament Director in the real world either, tho I was once very familiar with what was needed by the USCF. I haven't played chess seriously in 30+ years. There are books and online aids and such for modern TD's The problem is you need familiarity with all the medieval variants as well, to adjudicate properly, I agree. Someone on this list or the Games Guild list was a modern world chess TD, IIRC. Not sure of whom, search the message history? Maybe that person will be able to be there?No. I'm trying to avoid everyone having to show up at the same time and dedicating an entire day to this. If someone wants to spend all day playing - that's great. If they just want to stop by for a couple of games, that's good too.
I want to avoid time limits and mass start, just because that's so prevalent outside the SCA, and it feels too structured for something to do on vacation. If anyone knows of such a games tournament in period, I'd love to hear of it.I'd hazard a guess that the "games tournament" as we know it, is really out of the SCA period, as far as international tourneys goes. For chess, it was not until the mid 19th C. For Backgammon, international tourneys didn't happen until the 20th C. For Go, I'm unsure. However, looking at a smaller area than the international arena.....For Go, it was just outside the SCA period (4 Go schools established by Sansa at start of Edo period (1603-1868) and heads of the schools played each other in front of royalty for the honor of the school. I'd call that a tourney. :+) (Info as per website of International Go Federation - https://intergofed.org/history/gohistory.htm) More research needed re: smaller local tourneys in Europe for other games.
I didn't know of that tie-breaker procedure, but I like it.In the unlikely but possible case of a tie at sunset, have a tie breaker in mind. The modern tie break point system is what I recommend, and if still tied, speed chess with chess clock. Modern tie break is to add to the score of each tied player, the final score of each player defeated, and half the score of each player tied. If you played them multiple times, add multiple times as needed. Then compare final totals of the tied players again.As do I. It shows which player did better against the field, by calculating who did better against better opposition overall. This was de rigeur 30 years ago when I was playing in modern world chess tourneys seriously - there could easily be more recent systems of tie breaks developed too. The calculations are faster than having another regular game as a tie-breaker (but you need good records, and withdrawals from the tourney are a PITA). Speed chess is a different game than non-speed chess, with a slightly different skill set - using it for a tie breaker for a tourney of longer games, is not ideal, but it is the option taken if the break point method described above doesn't produce a clear leader on tie breaks. Which often happens in small round robins such as "Quads" (a round robin of four similarly-rated players; the entire playing field is grouped into quads, and each such mini-tourney is separate from all others. There is usually a minor prize for the winner of each quad, like a small trophy. They are a ratings vehicle to get players rated (it required 20 rated games to have a rating) and give a TD some experience directing and are often held monthly in an area.
I hadn't planned any separation or categories. I hadn't thought of asking for prize donations, but certainly wouldn't turn them down (and would be sure to thank the donors publicly).Any class separation? Advanced, beginner, intermediate? Age categories of adult, teen, youth (18+, 13-17, under 13)?Any other prizes? Make sure those who donate such, are given plenty of credit.I can ask on the SCA Merchant list group for you, and you can do it in person as well at Pennsic. I can donate something(s) as prize support also. It doesn't HAVE to be a game prize. I think I got some pretty funky prizes donated for my tourney - I remember some pewter pins from Fettered Cock Pewter; they were ones that looked like chess pieces, not the ones they have that look like.....er......flying genitalia.
I hadn't heard of the Vagabond's tournament, I would have attended if I had.I don't think it actually went off at all - you'd have to contact Andrew at YIV to confirm. He originally asked us back in 2006 or so, I think - he wanted us to come in after the Period Gaming Tent closed and do the tourney at his coffeehouse, and offered a prize (of an expensive Middle-Eastern chess set) similar to the one you mentioned earlier. There were issues that couldn't be resolved at the time, re: youths out late and unescorted by parents/guardians and in the shop, other patrons smoking hookahs there (with regular tobacco, mind you, but secondhand smoke inhalation was still a problem).As for advertising, if it goes through I'd like to see a blurb in the Pennsic book (if possible), and will advertise in the PI.Earlier the better, but details were hard to be finalized by the book deadline.
Again - I didn't know you had run a tourney before. How many players competed, and how was it received?I think I arranged a Swiss System pairing scheme for the tourney I did several years ago, instead of round robin, bear pit or elimination.
I've done several gaming tourneys over the years, at one-day local events as well as at Pennsic. The more recent one-day tourneys at local large RP events were a Swiss system (when there were a dozen players and we had 6 hours), and a double round robin (when we had 4 players - each player played each other player twice). (I'm not a fan of elimination tourneys, btw). Each pair of players agreed on the game to play each encounter. Tourney had to be finished before Court started, so time was an issue there. Swiss system, by the way, arranges random pairings each round amongst players with similar scores, who have not played each other previously. It was the fastest and fairest way I knew at the time, to have a tourney give a clear winner as quickly as possible. Among 12 players, I had a clear leader in three rounds, and he kept the lead in the fourth and final round. I had to modify pairing procedure, since I think it relied upon the ratings of players to order a player list. Since we had no ratings, I just used the order they signed up for the tourney for the initial list, and the order I received the posted results for each round's new pairing list.At the one at Pennsic a couple years ago, I asked Gaming Tent staff members to "keep an eye on" tourney games and note results of those games in the tent log when I wasn't there - which was most of the time. It was a Byzantine Chess tourney, I think - I taught a class in Byzantine chess before the tourney. The tourney went on over several days, since we had plenty of time. IIRC, it was a single round robin, and finished on Thursday or Friday of War Week. No class sections or age groups. We had a mix of ages and genders. A good time was had by all, I think. About a dozen players entered over the several days, but I think only two of the players played all their scheduled games - most had to leave Pennsic before the tourney ended. Would have been funny if the winner won in absentia, having already left site.....but in the end the last game played indicated the tourney winner. The one held the previous year at Pennsic, it was a one-day event, a few less entrants, and players agreed on the game to play each round. Both Pennsic tourneys were not advertised in the Pennsic book, tho I think I got it in the daily paper.Galen
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