Re: [peditors] Adventures in TeXas
- On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:59 PM, <voytek@...> wrote:
> On Tue, April 9, 2013 11:45 am, dmccunney wrote:Opera Mini worked well enough if you could get a compatible JVM (that
>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM, <voytek@...> wrote:
>> Huh. So it *does* run on the TX.
>> I'll have to give it another shot. Not sure which version I have - it
>> was one Dmitry Grindberg originally ripped out of a Clie. I looked at an
>> assortment of browsers on the Zodiac, including the one Tapwave bundled,
>> Opera Mini, Xiino, Novarra Nweb, and Netfront.
>> Netfront was the best of the lot, but that wasn't saying much.
> yes, and, yes
> (I (think?) I've tried a the java based stuff, but, didn't inhale)
was fun for the Zodiac), but behaved nothing like a normal PalmOS
program. Someone elsewhere was trying to get Opera Mini 4.4 up on the
TX, but that's only provided as a jar file, and he wanted to know how
to make it a PRC. AFAIK, that chore was done by a tool provided with
IBM's Websphere Micro development environment. Have fun finding
>>> used to use it occasionally, not anymoreYep. Alas, not everything I use does.
>> What do you use now?
> Android phone/tablet.... Atrix/Xoom for net related stuff
> Palm for most other stuff
>>> BTW, just transferred 10 years worth of car fuel data from pFuel to
>>> aCar, so might move car records to A soon.
>> The real fun part in migrating to a new device isn't the apps, it's the
> this was child's play, pFuel outputs text, acar inputs text.
> one of my pre-req for any app I use: does it input/output text ?
> if I can help you with any NetFront files, just yellWhat must you absolutely have to run it on the TX, aside from NetFront
itself? I'd be inclined to get your files and reproduce your
On the Zodiac, IIRC, I needed Dmitry's UDMH to give it enough dynamic
heap, and a Japanese app called CodeDiver to force use of the full
320x480 screen. Dmirtry offers Maxx as freeware, which he claims will
let any OS5 machine run Netfront and Picel Browser.
CodeDiver runs fine here, and gets used toi make a few other things
use the full screen.
Attempts to set up Netfront with UDMH and triggered hard resets.
I do full backups with NVBackup after major config changes, so hard
resets are a nuisance rather than a disaster. I may just take another
shot at getting NetFront running, now I know that it *can*.
- On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Dwight C. Carr <carrdwight@...> wrote:
> FWIW, I do have Netfront running on my TX using a custom ROM developed by Dmitry Grindberg. Chris Short installed the ROM. Still doesn't make for a very nice on-line experience with the TX, but I don't use the TX online anymore anyway. Would be nice to check weather and exchange rates, etc..., but I can ask my wife or one of my kids to look it up on their device.As it happens, NetFront is now running here. A bit of Googling
revealed that Dmitry packaged NetFront and supporting files in a PRC
you could hotsync, and it would install it for you. Worked fine and
was painless. (How I missed the package poking around on Dmitry's
site isn't clear.)
(There's a TX ROM posed on Dmitry's site, but no documentation on the
site or in the archive of what it does and how it differs from the
stock ROM. Without knowing more, I wasn't about to fiddle.)
> Also, the new Blackberry devices with V10 of their OS looks very capable.Yep. RIM bought Qnx, makers of a real time OS solution, and used Qnx
as the basis of the new BB OS. It looks very nice indeed. The big
lack at the moment is apps, which will require attracting developers
back to the platform. It's a classic Catch 22: they need apps to sell
devices, but developers are unlikely to write for the platform unless
it has a proven market who might buy their wares.
> Best Regards,______
- (sending via pm)
not sure.... but, I think ? Maxx executes on boot....
here all nf3 creator id and 1 x maxx....
and, please remember, if this wipes your Palm, there is no need to thank
me for free space gained..
(hmmm couldn't open Palm via Drive Mode, must be missing device drivers...)
probably did need all of these, but..
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 1,857,286 NetFront3.prc
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 112 NF3AUTHINFO.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 362 NF3BOOKMARKDB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 96 NF3CACHEDB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 1,231 NF3COOKIEDB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 80 NF3FILEDIALOGDB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 176 NF3INFODB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 362 NF3MSDB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 80 NF3PLUGINDB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 224 NF3URLHISTORYDB.pdb
09/04/2013 01:01 PM 1,520 VisitLog.pdb
09/04/2013 01:04 PM 3,219 MaxX.pdb
- On Tue, April 9, 2013 1:19 pm, voytek@... wrote:
> (sending via pm)hmmmm, was stuck in outbound Q, deleted it now:
The host could not be found. Please verify that you have entered the
server name correctly.
Socket Error: 11001
(out of curiosity, looked at my Netfront history, seemed I've used last at
Sydney airports on an overseas trip)
- On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, dmccunney <dennis.mccunney@...> wrote:
> While the group has been quiet for a while, I suspect at least someAnd update or two, under the heading (mis)Adventures in TeXas...
> folks still have it in their email configuration, and people here are
> likely to appreciate the story. (Warning: long post follows.)
> (EDIT: It hasn't. Now HotsyncIt gets more curious. After a couple of removals/reinstalls of Palm
> crashes when run, and I have no idea what's going on. I simply get a
> Windows message that Hotsync has encountered an error and needs to
> close. This has persisted through a remove and reinstall of Palm
> Desktop. This is not critical, as I can Hotsync to another Windows
> machine running Win2K, but it's like having an itch I can't scratch
> when I don't understand what's going on. )
Desktop with Hotsync still dieing horribly when run, I decided to try
it from a different userid. There are several configured users on the
system where this occurred, so I logged off my normal account and
logged on as a different user. Hotsync worked just fine. The problem
wasn't on the Pam Desktop and Hotsync end - it was something specific
to my configuration. Since it used to work on my ID, the challenge is
figuring out what change I made that broke it.
> LX works fine on the TX; other things didn't.There's a quirk with LX, too. I got bitten years back by an LX bug:
if the LX database that held the config info grew beyond 64KB, LX
choked. I believe I was the first to report the issue, because I had a
complex enough LX config with everything *including* the kitchen sink
installed that LX *hit* that limit. Bozidar apparently thought he
knew what was going on, but felt it would take some work to fix. He
implemented a partial fix that made LX less likely to hit the 64K
limit in practice, but died before getting to a real fix.
The odd bit was that it appeared to be version dependent. After Jeff
Gibson of GoTreo software bought LX and started the beta cycle for a
new version, I had at least one beta where the bug didn't bite. I
created an LX config where I pushed the database size to something
like 220K with no ill effects. A subsequent beta broke it again, and
the 64K limit bit. Jeff couldn't figure out what was going on, but
needed to get a release out the door. *His* work-around was to cap
the LX DB size at 64K, and if it grew over that, updates would
silently fail. I forgot Jeff had done that till I added some things
when my LX DB was one the edge of the limit, and said "Why aren't the
icons appearing in the first LX tab as they should?" Oh. Right. I
forgot Jeff's "fix".
I could find some stuff to remove to give me headroom, but this is a
problem with no real solution beyond "Don't add more stuff unless you
can make some existing stuff go away".
> The pick of the litter is probably Apt, an open source applicationI'm still finding things to do with Apt, and it's a "Why did I not
> that is a sort of control panel on steroids for Palm devices.
know about this years ago?" item.
The other major change was getting NetFront working. I had it on my
Zodiac, but attempts to install it on the TX produced hard resets. It
turns out Dmitry Grinberg had packaged it as a PRC installer, with
NetFront and the other stuff it needed. Hotsync the installer to the
TX, run it, let it reset, and Poof! A working NetFront installation.
I'm still trying to get wifi to work. The TX supposedly does WPA-PSK
security, but it refuses to connect to my router which uses that, and
I'm not about to lower my security for the TX.
On the Zodiac, I had a SanDisk Wifi SD card with 256MB of storage.
It worked, but the SanDisk drivers only did WEP.. To get around that,
I added a second router. That was configured as an access point,
connecting via a CAT5 cable to the Linksys primary. The Zodiac
connected to the second router using WEP, and I had MAC address
filtering turned on as well. Since the second router was an access
point, DHCP and connection to the outside world were handled by the
Linksys, which saw the secondary router as a trusted client, so the
Zodiac could authenticate through it.
The primary router now is a Belkin, and I found an old Linksys 801B
router I'm attempting to set up as a secondary to the Belkin to do the
same thing with the TX I used to do with the Zodiac. I just haven't
found the right magic spell for this configuration.
This is actually fun for the most part. I *like* technical challenges.
> I'm still trying to get wifi to work. The TX supposedly does WPA-PSKmine works fine with Personal WPA-PSK Auto TKIP/AES
> security, but it refuses to connect to my router which uses that, and I'm
> not about to lower my security for the TX.
in the past, on maybe 2 or 3 ocassion, in public space, couldn't connect,
mostly to do with browser authentication, I think ? neither Bloater nor
maybe once couldn't latch on.
maybe drop down the b/g/n down a range, rather than WPA/WEP, worked for me
> The primary router now is a Belkin, and I found an old Linksys 801BI have 3 old Linksys with dd-wrt on same ssid
> router I'm attempting to set up as a secondary to the Belkin to do the same
> thing with the TX I used to do with the Zodiac. I just haven't found the
> right magic spell for this configuration.
hmmm, must've had power outage 9 month ago:
Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (10/30/08) micro
Time: 06:45:04 up 279 days, 37 min, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
- On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:51 AM, <voytek@...> wrote:
>I was running Tomato on my old WRT54G. I'll have to see about putting
>> The primary router now is a Belkin, and I found an old Linksys 801B
>> router I'm attempting to set up as a secondary to the Belkin to do the same
>> thing with the TX I used to do with the Zodiac. I just haven't found the
>> right magic spell for this configuration.
> I have 3 old Linksys with dd-wrt on same ssid
> hmmm, must've had power outage 9 month ago:
> Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (10/30/08) micro
> Time: 06:45:04 up 279 days, 37 min, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
a DD-WRT flavor on the old Linksys 801B model if there's one that can
I don't think I can use third party firmware on the current Belkin
primary, but I'll poke around.
- On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:41 AM, <voytek@...> wrote:
>Doesn't here. The connection simply fails, whether I use Auto
>> I'm still trying to get wifi to work. The TX supposedly does WPA-PSK
>> security, but it refuses to connect to my router which uses that, and I'm
>> not about to lower my security for the TX.
> mine works fine with Personal WPA-PSK Auto TKIP/AES
TKIP/AES or specify AES. I don't see any useful log information to
tell me why it failed, either.
> maybe drop down the b/g/n down a range, rather than WPA/WEP, worked for meMaybe. I've added it to my list of things to try. Thanks for the suggestion.