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Re: [pcgen] Re: Advanced Learning

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  • Andrew Maitland
    That snarky comment was to myself. I apologize if it came off as offensive to you. ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing) ~ Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of
    Message 1 of 35 , Sep 5, 2008
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      That "snarky" comment was to myself.

      I apologize if it came off as offensive to you.

      ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
      ~ Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
      ~ Data Chimp, Tracker Gibbon, Docs Tamarin
      "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



      Burnie Fox wrote:
      > Was this shot:
      >
      > "It does help to read the docs fully."
      >
      > really necessary?
      >
      > I come to this forum for help and I have to deal with this
      > childishness? If you don't want to help, then don't help. But I
      > don't need your snarky commentary.
      >
      >
      > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
      >
      >> The alternative is
      >> CHOOSE:SPELLS|SCHOOL=Evocation[LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE]
      >> ,CLASSLIST=Wizard[LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE]
      >>
      >> Which should also work. It does help to read the docs fully.
      >>
      >> ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
      >> ~ Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
      >> ~ Data Chimp, Tracker Gibbon, Docs Tamarin
      >> "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Andrew Maitland wrote:
      >>
      >>> I'm going to answer this piecemeal -
      >>> First the CHOOSER
      >>> Are you using SELECT:1 on the same line with the tag?
      >>> Are you using MULT:YES? (Simplistic and I doubt the chooser would
      >>>
      > even
      >
      >>> fire, but let's cover our bases)
      >>> Are you using STACK:NO?
      >>> That should fix the first part.
      >>>
      >>> Next,
      >>> CHOOSE:SPELLS|SCHOOL=Evocation[LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE]
      >>> |CLASSLIST=Wizard[LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE]
      >>>
      >>> Is the proper method to have that set up. According to the docs.
      >>>
      >>> The "z" variable *MUST* be contained within a set of
      >>>
      > square-brackets ([
      >
      >>> ]) and paired with a single "y" variable. Only one set of square
      >>> brackets per "y" variable is allowed.
      >>>
      >>> ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
      >>> ~ Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
      >>> ~ Data Chimp, Tracker Gibbon, Docs Tamarin
      >>> "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Burnie Fox wrote:
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>> Hi,
      >>>>
      >>>> I'm currently in the process of trying to implement the Warmage
      >>>>
      > class.
      >
      >>>> The thing I'm having trouble with is the Advanced Learning ability,
      >>>> which lets them choose one evocation spell from the wizard spell
      >>>>
      > list,
      >
      >>>> of a level <= their current maximum spell level castable. As I see
      >>>> it, this would consist of:
      >>>>
      >>>> Selecting an wizard evocation of the appropriate level
      >>>> Adding the selected spell to the list of known spells
      >>>>
      >>>> I've got a chooser that lets the user select an evocation from the
      >>>> wizard list:
      >>>>
      >>>> CHOOSE:SPELLS|SCHOOL=Evocation,CLASSLIST=Wizard
      >>>>
      >>>> I have two questions:
      >>>> How to limit the spell level on the chooser? Adding the "z"
      >>>>
      > parameter
      >
      >>>> [LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE] causes the chooser to no longer activate, why?
      >>>> How to add the spell returned by the chooser to the list of spells
      >>>> known? I would assume that would require increasing the number of
      >>>> known spells by one, which is easy enough in itself, using
      >>>> BONUS:SPELLKNOWN, but you need to know the spell level -- how can you
      >>>> determine the spell level of the spell returned by the chooser? Or
      >>>> would it be necessary to have the user select the spell level desired
      >>>> first, then add the SPELLKNOWN based on that level, and THEN select
      >>>> the spell from the desired level?
      >>>>
      >>>> I'm guessing that this has to be some combination of the CHOOSE,
      >>>> BONUS:SPELLKNOWN, and SPELLS tags, but then again, what do I know?
      >>>> Hopefully, it's really complicated and hard, so I won't feel like an
      >>>> idiot! :)
      >>>>
      >>>> That was a little more rambling than I intended it to be. If anyone
      >>>> has any ideas or pointers, I'd love to hear from you.
      >>>>
      >>>> Thanks for reading this far.
      >>>>
      >>>> Burnie
      >>>>
      >>>>
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    • Andrew Maitland
      Yes, Tom, I forgot about the CLASSLIST with SPELLLIST interaction conversation we had. (I remembered there was something about the classlist and maxcastable
      Message 35 of 35 , Sep 14, 2008
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        Yes, Tom, I forgot about the CLASSLIST with SPELLLIST interaction
        conversation we had. (I remembered there was something about the
        classlist and maxcastable causing problems).

        Reviewing the related bug trackers I found:
        2024451 SPELLTYPE ANY is not typed to an item correctly
        <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2024451&group_id=25576&atid=384719>
        2095568 CHOOSE:SPELLS not working correctly
        <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2095568&group_id=25576&atid=384719>

        2097495 CHOOSE:SPELLS (Ability) [MAXCASTABLE] null
        <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2097495&group_id=25576&atid=384719>


        And I just created this:
        2110604 CHOOSE:SPELLS SPELLLIST in conjuction with CLASSLIST bug
        <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2110604&group_id=25576&atid=384719>
        -If the PC has access to the Wizard list based on the SPELLLIST tag in
        the class, then it should succeed


        ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
        ~ Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
        ~ Data Chimp, Tracker Gibbon, Docs Tamarin
        "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



        Tom Parker wrote:
        > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
        >
        >> CLASSLIST=Wizard[LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE] is not acting the way we
        >> anticipated, it relies on your character being that class. What it
        >> should be doing is pulling from that class list regardless of the
        >> calling class.
        >> It's a known issue and will be fixed.
        >>
        >
        > There is a series of bugs at play here, but your description of this
        > issue is incorrect. We should be clear in describing CHOOSE:SPELLS,
        > as we have already had people confused with how it works (and your
        > description leads me to believe it may not be clear for you either)
        >
        > Any user of CHOOSE:SPELLS should review this post:
        > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/97930
        >
        > ...and note that the ANY bug mentioned there (2024451) is still a problem.
        >
        > My key issue with your description is that
        > CLASSLIST=Wizard[LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE] should not "pull from that
        > class list regardless of the calling class."
        >
        > The LEVELMAX is calculated *in context to* the Wizard class spell
        > list, so if the PC doesn't have access to the Wizard Class spell list,
        > then the MAXCASTABLE is -1... and nothing is selectable.
        >
        > Given that explanation, there are two other issues... If a CHOOSE has
        > CLASSLIST=Wizard[LEVELMAX=MAXCASTABLE] and the PC is not a Wizard,
        > this will fail in two ways:
        > (A) It will throw an exception (this is a Bug, 2097495)
        > (B) If the PC has access to the Wizard list based on the SPELLLIST tag
        > in the class, then it should succeed (but doesn't today). Not sure if
        > this has ever been properly trackered.
        >
        > TP.
        >
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