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  • Andrew Maitland
    [17:59] [Chair]Eddy: I ve got 9pm, shall we get started? [17:59] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I m ready . . . [17:59] [Arch_SB]thpr: ok [17:59] [Chair]Eddy: We ve got 3
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      [17:59] [Chair]Eddy: I've got 9pm, shall we get started?
      [17:59] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I'm ready . . .
      [17:59] [Arch_SB]thpr: ok
      [17:59] [Chair]Eddy: We've got 3 SB's here, just missing Frank and
      James, hopefully James will join us
      [18:00] [Chair]Eddy: I'll go ahead and start off with the Content report
      for Frank
      [18:00] [Chair]Eddy: Data bugs: 10 for 5.14, 2 are unaasigned
      [18:00] [Chair]Eddy: The 2 that are unassigned may require code work
      that would take them off the 5.14 plate
      [18:00] [Chair]Eddy: Data FREQs: 11 for 5.14, 2 are unassigned
      [18:00] [Chair]Eddy: Data work since last release: 2 bugs and 2 FREQs closed
      [18:01] [Chair]Eddy: Doc bugs: 4 for 5.14, 1 unassigned
      [18:01] [Chair]Eddy: Doc FREQs: 21 for 5.14, 11 unassigned
      [18:01] [Chair]Eddy: Doc work since last release: Lots of commits from
      Eric, 5 bugs closed, 7 FREQs closed
      [18:01] [Chair]Eddy: OS Bugs: 4 for 5.14, all are unassigned
      [18:01] [Chair]Eddy: OS FREQs: 16 for 5.14, 12 unassigned
      [18:01] [Chair]Eddy: OS work since last release: [1824152] [HTML] New
      blocks for Special Attacks & Special Qualities
      [18:01] [Chair]Eddy: Data Source Development: 6 for 5.14
      [18:02] [Chair]Eddy: OK that's content, any questions?
      [18:02] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I'm good
      [18:02] [PR_SB]Maredudd: A bit of a correction on the Doc FREQs . ..
      [18:02] [Chair]Eddy: OK
      [18:02] [PR_SB]Maredudd: 21 Total, 7 for 5.14
      [18:03] [Chair]Eddy: Ah, must have my settings wrong
      [18:03] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Most of the unassigned are LST File Classes . . .
      [18:04] [Chair]Eddy: Ok Tom, hows things in Architexture?
      [18:04] [Chair]Eddy: (pardon the bad spelling)
      [18:05] [Arch_SB]thpr: As best I can tell there are 6 "dev specs" that
      need to be worked through
      [18:05] [Arch_SB]thpr: removing ADDPROF can probably be brought to a
      vote, if it hasn't yet
      [18:05] [Arch_SB]thpr:
      http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/message/9052
      [18:06] [Arch_SB]thpr: CHOOSE is to be fixed to use the trailing number,
      otherwise it leaves datasets broken
      [18:06] [Arch_SB]thpr:
      http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/message/8601
      [18:06] [Arch_SB]thpr: AUTO:FEAT / FEATAUTO: still has .CLEAR problems
      [18:06] [Arch_SB]thpr:
      http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/message/8607
      [18:07] [Arch_SB]thpr: That one has some interesting issues involved and
      I really haven't had the time to summarize it and bring it back to
      _experimental
      [18:07] [Arch_SB]thpr: Same with Equipment's PROFICIENCY
      [18:07] [Arch_SB]thpr:
      http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/message/8006
      [18:08] [Arch_SB]thpr: I started a long response to Eddy on that one,
      and discovered all kinds of issues with the potential ideas I had
      [18:08] [Arch_SB]thpr: so I scrapped the email until I can some up with
      something that doesn't break something else!
      [18:08] *** [Code_SB]jdempse has joined #pcgen.
      [18:09] [Arch_SB]thpr: The 5th item is just to get comments on the
      proposed 6.0 CHOOSE syntax, just so it's not totally in left field:
      http://pcgen.wiki.sourceforge.net/CHOOSE+Token+Proposal+for+6.0
      [18:09] [Arch_SB]thpr: I think those are the remaining discussions I
      need for 5.14
      [18:09] [Arch_SB]thpr: That's not to say some of the other stuff Andrew
      has tagged can't be done
      [18:10] [Arch_SB]thpr: just that it's something I'll respond to in my
      code capacity and not my arch responsibility (if that makes any sense)
      [18:10] [Chair]Eddy: sure does
      [18:10] [Chair]Eddy: Hi James, I just gave a content report and Tom is
      giving the Arch report now
      [18:10] *** Papa-DRB has joined #pcgen.
      [18:10] [Admin_SB]Andrew: TOM - For Choose with trailing number is that
      EQmods or all CHOOSEs?
      [18:11] [Arch_SB]thpr: All CHOOSES
      [18:11] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Hi David and James
      [18:11] [Chair]Eddy: Tom, I think that the data team needs to put
      resolving these at top priority
      [18:11] [Arch_SB]thpr: they were all broken back in early 06
      [18:11] [Code_SB]jdempse: Excellent -sorry I'm late - had to grab
      something to eat and then chase you guys down to freenode
      [18:11] [Arch_SB]thpr: Eddy: I'm not sure it's the data team that has
      been the problem the last 3 weeks or so
      [18:11] [Chair]Eddy: Once the changes go in we will need to go through
      all the data sets to get them up to date
      [18:11] [Arch_SB]thpr: doesn't help if they bring something back up and
      I can't respond
      [18:11] [Arch_SB]thpr: (like to your note on Equipment PROFICIENCY)
      [18:12] [Chair]Eddy: well it just RL getting in the way
      [18:12] [Arch_SB]thpr: yea
      [18:12] [Chair]Eddy: not a problem so much as a fact of life
      [18:12] [Arch_SB]thpr: I'm hunting for a new job at the moment
      [18:12] [Chair]Eddy: ouch
      [18:12] [Arch_SB]thpr: too stressful where I am
      [18:12] [OGL]Nylanfs: Don't we give you enough banana's?
      [18:12] [Chair]Eddy: that's my least favorite thing to do
      [18:12] [OGL]Nylanfs: :)
      [18:13] [Arch_SB]thpr: Anyway, those are the top 5 priorities on
      _experimental
      [18:13] [Arch_SB]thpr: as those are running and I get extra time, an
      arch doc update is warranted
      [18:13] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Excellent
      [18:13] [Chair]Eddy: Great
      [18:14] [Arch_SB]thpr: I think that's it from me
      [18:14] [Chair]Eddy: OK, any questions for Tom?
      [18:14] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I had another...
      [18:14] [Arch_SB]thpr: fire
      [18:15] [Admin_SB]Andrew: You mentioned the Featauto .clear, do we know
      what broke that?
      [18:15] [Admin_SB]Andrew: or when we can get it fixed, I guess would be
      better.
      [18:15] [Arch_SB]thpr: I don't believe anything technically broke it...
      [18:15] [Arch_SB]thpr: did it?
      [18:15] [Arch_SB]thpr: I thought the issue was that FEATAUTO got
      deprecated, and there is no working .CLEAR in AUTO:FEAT
      [18:16] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I know it's currently not working with either
      form. And we have a few data sets that are using it.
      [18:16] [Arch_SB]thpr: and that led to the discussion of whether
      FEAT:AUTO should interact with ABILITY:FEAT|AUTOMATIC|...
      [18:16] [Arch_SB]thpr: if FEATAUTO is broken, that's a code bug
      [18:17] [Admin_SB]Andrew: FEAT:AUTO| is working, the .CLEAR part isn't
      [18:17] [Arch_SB]thpr: so not really an arch issue, though it may be
      something I fix
      [18:17] [Admin_SB]Andrew: True... that's my question..
      [18:17] [Arch_SB]thpr: This is what Stefan pointed out on PCGD some time
      ago...
      [18:18] [Arch_SB]thpr: I think I still have those emails in my PCGD
      folder to look at
      [18:18] [Arch_SB]thpr: I think I'm more concerned about the 5 issues for
      _experimental and let the bug stomping hit during beta if we have to
      [18:18] [Chair]Eddy: Shall we move on to Code?
      [18:19] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Tom - ok; Eddy - Yes
      [18:19] [Chair]Eddy: James..
      [18:20] [Code_SB]jdempse: ok, quick summary
      [18:20] [Code_SB]jdempse: 7 freqs for 5.14 open, 3 assigned, of which
      one is active currently.
      [18:22] [Code_SB]jdempse: 34 bugs open for 5.14, including one for the
      AUTO:FEAT|.CLEAR
      [18:22] [Code_SB]jdempse: 9 of those are assigned
      [18:24] [Code_SB]jdempse: 1 plugin freq and 7 plugin bugs also
      scheduled for 5.14
      [18:25] [Code_SB]jdempse: We've had a bit of progress towards 5.14 in
      the last fortnight, but the bugs have increased rather than decreased,
      mainly due to not a lot of the code monkeys being very active
      [18:26] [Code_SB]jdempse: any questions?
      [18:27] [Chair]Eddy: I'm good
      [18:27] [Admin_SB]Andrew: ditto
      [18:27] [Chair]Eddy: Shall we move on to Admin?
      [18:27] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Yay!
      [18:27] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Website: Waiting on Koen for access; otherwise
      no progress. Eddy has agreed to work on graphics.
      Permanent Home ISP - unknown... but if we need to make a choice
      1and1.com has a good rep by me.
      If we want mysql it's $5/month. plus domain 2.99/year. 120gb, 1200gb
      transfer and 10 ftp access.
      The test site is currently up and running, but without the access
      stuff, I can't even start working on it myself.
      [18:27] [Chair]Eddy: Go Andrew
      [18:28] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Otherwise, we are stuck in limbo on the
      website progress.
      [18:28] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Release: James is showing me the ropes so we
      have a backup for releases. Otherwise I think we are doing good here.
      James, you have anything to add?
      [18:29] [Admin_SB]Andrew: sorry if I'm going to fast...
      [18:29] [Code_SB]jdempse: Last release went smoothly - all good there
      [18:29] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Excellent...
      [18:29] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Tracker: We aren't making headway on clearing
      these the past few months. I'm sure R/L has much to do with this.
      Despite some attempts at revival we have some outstanding 5.14 slated
      proposals that need to get face time.
      I'd like to thank people for maintaining personal tracker(s) specific
      to their teams.
      [18:30] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Thanks Tom for already bringing up the needed
      reviews...
      [18:30] [Admin_SB]Andrew: :)
      [18:30] [Admin_SB]Andrew: WIKI: I've updated a few updated a few
      out-of-date things and brought some things up to speed.
      [18:30] [Admin_SB]Andrew: grr, typing too fast....
      [18:31] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Is this a good point to ask about who we'd
      like to promote?
      [18:32] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Anyone?
      [18:32] [Chair]Eddy: If you are talking about monkey ranks it's your
      peragative, you can promote anyone on your team at your discression
      [18:32] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Ok... Well, I'd like to Promote Tom - He does
      a lot of tracker(s) within his scope; I'm thinking he should be
      qualified for Tracker Tamarin in recognition of his hard work. It
      certainly makes it easier on the Docs and Data teams because of him.
      [18:33] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Any questions for any Admin related things?
      [18:33] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Any thoughts on when the next release might be,
      James?
      [18:34] [Code_SB]jdempse: This weekend is the aim - try too get back to
      the two week timeframe
      [18:34] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Cool.
      [18:35] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I have a general question - When do we plan on
      having 5.14 ready?
      [18:35] [Chair]Eddy: Actually that was my agenda item to discuss after
      reports :)
      [18:35] [Admin_SB]Andrew: ok, sorry bout jumping the gun then...
      [18:35] [Chair]Eddy: Let's give Eric the floor and then take that up
      [18:36] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Public Relations Report
      [18:36] [PR_SB]Maredudd: PL Subteam
      [18:36] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Crafty Games Permissions confirmed for First
      Edition Spycraft sources.
      [18:36] [PR_SB]Maredudd: - Datasets need to be moved from AEG folder to
      Crafty Games Folder. Source tags need to be updated throughout. Tracker
      (#1834270) opened with high priority on completion.
      [18:36] [PR_SB]Maredudd: - Crafty has asked if PCGen has the capability
      to include artwork/Company logos with datasets. The answer to that
      question is yes. I haven't responded yet but I would like to respond
      with an affirmative and an offer of adding their Spycraft 1.0 logo to
      the set.
      [18:36] [PR_SB]Maredudd: - As part of this request, I would like
      permission to approach all publishers whose sources we currently
      distribute to offer them the same service.
      [18:36] [PR_SB]Maredudd: AEG Feats - Working on adding that source to
      the list of titles from AEG.
      [18:37] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I noted Eddy that you asigned the Spycraft
      Traker to yoourself . . .
      [18:37] [Chair]Eddy: Yeah, I can take care of it
      [18:38] [Chair]Eddy: I'm partial to it since I coded it originally :)
      [18:38] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Thanks. As for the question of the logo, As I
      say, I would like to offer that to all publishers who have given us
      permission.
      [18:38] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I'm in favor of it. ook ook
      [18:39] [PR_SB]Maredudd: IF we want to think about it, thats fine with
      me . . . :-)
      [18:39] [Chair]Eddy: lets discuss it a bit more on the BoD list
      [18:40] [Chair]Eddy: I'm in favor myself but I've got some additional
      thoughts on the subject
      [18:40] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Will do. Moving on . . . OGL Report. Paul?
      Do you want to add anything?
      [18:41] [OGL]Nylanfs: Not I, been bussy working 55-60 hrs a week and
      most free time on SR
      [18:41] [OGL]Nylanfs: Work bad
      [18:41] [OGL]Nylanfs: Is there anything right now that needs cleared?
      [18:41] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Ok, I'm doing the prelimiannary report of AEGs
      Feats for Andrew . . .
      [18:41] [OGL]Nylanfs: I didn't see any trackers that Eric or I hadn't
      already cleared
      [18:42] [PR_SB]Maredudd: That will be done about the time I have the
      source added to our list of permissions . . .
      [18:42] [Chair]Eddy: You've got Curses assigned to you, what's it's status?
      [18:42] [Chair]Eddy: that was meant for Paul
      [18:42] [PR_SB]Maredudd: If you don't have time for it Paul, I can take
      it . . .
      [18:43] [OGL]Nylanfs: Do I? I thought I had cleared it
      [18:43] [OGL]Nylanfs: No I'll clear it tonight or tomorrow
      [18:43] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Cool. Thanks Paul!
      [18:44] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Any other questions for OGL?
      [18:44] [Admin_SB]Andrew: If I might add, there is a dataset tracker
      that needs to be cleared by a Data Chimp... move from Alpha to one of
      the regular folders that I'm aware of.
      [18:44] [Chair]Eddy: The if thoughts could kill?
      [18:44] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Yes
      [18:44] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I think that's the one.
      [18:44] [Chair]Eddy: I'll look at that
      [18:44] [Admin_SB]Andrew: cool
      [18:45] [Chair]Eddy: We've got way to much stuff in Alpha
      [18:45] [Chair]Eddy: need to get some reviews in and move stuff over
      [18:45] [Admin_SB]Andrew: agreed... but we're short the chimp power.
      [18:45] [Chair]Eddy: right
      [18:46] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Anything else befor I move to Advertising?
      [18:46] [Admin_SB]Andrew: What is the status on Bad Axe games?
      [18:47] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I have a set I made - Dwarves (Heroes of High
      Favor) that doesn't seem to be going anywhere...
      [18:47] [PR_SB]Maredudd: It cleared the OGL review . . .
      [18:48] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I think its in for Data Review . . . More Chimp
      Power . . .
      [18:48] [Chair]Eddy: I'll check with Tir, if he's buried with RL I can
      take it off his plate
      [18:48] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Thanks Eddy...
      [18:48] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Anything else?
      [18:48] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Nope, I'm good.. thanks :)
      [18:48] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Advertising Report
      [18:48] [PR_SB]Maredudd: :-)
      [18:49] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I'm up to speed on the press releases for the
      releases. I am also looking for additional RPG NEws outlets . . . The
      more the word spreads, the better . . .
      [18:50] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I am also looking for folks to write and post
      current reviews of PCGen. There are a lot of articles and reviews out
      there that are out f date.
      [18:50] [Admin_SB]Andrew: You got mine already... :)
      [18:50] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Tom has volunteered to write an article, or a
      series of articles
      [18:51] [Arch_SB]thpr: ...in my copious free time
      [18:51] [Arch_SB]thpr: [cough]
      [18:51] [PR_SB]Maredudd: on the code side of the project. The edotor at
      O'Reilly's OnJAVA is interested in seeing what we would submit.
      [18:51] [PR_SB]Maredudd: This will give us exposure to java mnkeys . . .
      [18:51] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Yes, Andrew, I got yurs . . .
      [18:52] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Lots more stuff I'm working on but I will old
      off on most of it until January.
      [18:52] [PR_SB]Maredudd: There is one thing I want to drop here now . . .
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Gen Con '08
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I think PCGen needs to make a big showing at
      Gen Con this next year, including the following:
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: 1. Booth - Most likely shared, i.e. Eruvian has
      offered and Eddy mentioned RPTools . . .
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: 2. CDs - With the latest Stable version and ALL
      the extras we can pack on it.
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: 3. Any other promotional material we can come
      up with . . .
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: 4. Lots of PCGen Team Members in attendance . .
      . I know, this is contingent upon our members being able to make it . .
      . :-)
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: 5. Any other idea or arrangement we can come up
      with . . .
      [18:53] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I am working on a few ideas to get sponsorships
      to help us make a big showing . . . More to come later.
      [18:54] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Thats all I have for now. Any questions?
      [18:54] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Wow, sounds good...
      [18:55] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I like the more Java Monkey exposure myself...
      [18:55] [Chair]Eddy: Sounds great
      [18:56] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Tom, if it would help, I can write, but I would
      need some guidance on the technical side. If you need me, I'm available
      . . .
      [18:56] *** Papa-DRB has signed off IRC ("Some days your the pigeon and
      some days your the statue!").
      [18:56] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Any thoughts
      [18:57] [Arch_SB]thpr: Once I think through what we may want to do, I'll
      let you know
      [18:57] [Arch_SB]thpr: I'm planning on doing that this week since it's a
      holiday
      [18:57] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Cool. I'm here . . .
      [18:57] [Arch_SB]thpr: and I get to sit around Wednesday waiting for the
      'rents to arrive
      [18:58] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Yep. You said you'ld get to it this comming
      weekend . . .
      [18:58] [PR_SB]Maredudd: OR rather, you'ld tackle it this weekend . . . :-)
      [18:58] [PR_SB]Maredudd: So, is everyone behind the idea to go to Gen
      Con in a big way?
      [18:59] [Chair]Eddy: Yes from me
      [18:59] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I'd love too, but I'm strapped financially
      this year.
      [18:59] [Code_SB]jdempse: Only in spirit - it's a long way from Aus :)
      [18:59] [Chair]Eddy: I'm planning on attending
      [18:59] [OGL]Nylanfs: Yes
      [18:59] [PR_SB]Maredudd: KAmes, I'll personally raise a glass for you! .
      . . :-)
      [19:00] [PR_SB]Maredudd: What's your preference for a cool drink?
      [19:00] [Arch_SB]thpr: I'll have to wait 'til Feb/Mar before I know
      [19:00] [Chair]Eddy: OK shall we move on? we're on the 1 hour mark and I
      suspect we'll lose James soon
      [19:00] [Code_SB]jdempse: I'll just sit in the background
      [19:00] [Chair]Eddy: Next on the agenda, where are we at in the 5.14 cycle
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: The way I see it this cycle is focused on
      stabalizing the tokens for 6.0
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: the major work that needs doing is:
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: 1) resolving the developement specs for Tom
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: 2) Once finailized they need to be implemented
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: 3) Once implemented the data needs to be updated
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: As a goal I think it would be wise to aim to have
      the data fully up to day
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: If not in every data set then at least the core
      sets (that should be a requirement for the production release)
      [19:01] [Chair]Eddy: So depending on the time our real lives will allow
      us it looks like we have a bit of a ways to go
      [19:02] [Chair]Eddy: is that about right?
      [19:02] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I can help out with data set conversions
      [19:02] [Arch_SB]thpr: I think so
      [19:02] [Chair]Eddy: great, we need more people working in the data svn
      [19:03] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Conversion isn't too hard, it's just getting
      the code changes to do it.
      [19:04] [Code_SB]jdempse: How many tags do we have left that have
      changes that need to be discussed and freqed?
      [19:04] [Chair]Eddy: I've started looking at the console message, I'm
      eager to see the code work completed so the messages are all actionable
      and we get that readout clear :)
      [19:04] [Chair]Eddy: Tom highlighted 6
      [19:04] [Arch_SB]thpr: I thought it was 5
      [19:05] [Code_SB]jdempse: That's not too bad then
      [19:05] [Admin_SB]Andrew: 5
      [19:05] [Arch_SB]thpr: and technically, one is a code bug
      [19:05] [Arch_SB]thpr: and one is only a structural okay for 6.0, so
      there really only 3 tokens that really require code updates
      [19:06] [Arch_SB]thpr: after the discussion finishes
      [19:06] [Code_SB]jdempse: nice
      [19:06] [Chair]Eddy: Yeah not too bad at all
      [19:06] [Chair]Eddy: just a matter of getting the principals enough free
      time :)
      [19:06] [Admin_SB]Andrew: We need those specs voted on... Is Frank still
      away?
      [19:06] [Arch_SB]thpr: the issue isn't voting
      [19:07] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Ok, well discussion then get them implemented
      then.. :)
      [19:07] [Arch_SB]thpr: two of them (PROFICIENCY & AUTO:FEAT) have nasty
      side effects or deficiencies as proposed
      [19:07] [Arch_SB]thpr: so I need to work through those and come back to
      _experimental
      [19:07] [Arch_SB]thpr: removing ADDPROF can be driven to a vote IMHO
      [19:08] [Chair]Eddy: OK, lets have the low hanging fruit first, lets get
      ADDPROF bumped up top
      [19:09] [Arch_SB]thpr: Here's the end of that thread, in case someone
      wants to bump it
      [19:10] [Arch_SB]thpr:
      http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/message/8558
      [19:11] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Bumped
      [19:11] [Admin_SB]Andrew: It should have been put up for vote already,
      according to the post.
      [19:12] [Arch_SB]thpr: perhaps, but I can't tell, because I can't see
      the votes
      [19:12] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I'll do a quick look... but the last message
      was from me asking if it had been voted on... I didn't find anything.
      [19:13] [Chair]Eddy: I don't see one. I'll set that up, I just want to
      read that thread
      [19:14] [Chair]Eddy: I missed many of those threads that were going on
      months back, RL for me was heavy at the time
      [19:14] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Yeah, the poll isn't up...
      [19:14] [Chair]Eddy: any other comments on the topic or did I sum it up
      pretty well?
      [19:15] [Arch_SB]thpr: I think you summed it up well
      [19:15] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Yup
      [19:15] [Chair]Eddy: Cool, open floor. Anyone have any topics needing
      discussion?
      [19:16] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Eric I know has Mission Statements...
      [19:16] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I have a Website Wish list set up for everyone.
      [19:16] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I have written several for the PL and
      Advertising Teams as wella s the Doc team . . .
      [19:18] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Joe asked for some support on his Spellpoints
      proposal... though not slated for any particular spot at this time (It's
      a personal project for him).
      [19:19] [Arch_SB]thpr: Anyone have a pointer to that thread so I can
      bookmark it?
      [19:19] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I could track it down for you... I did tracker
      it though.
      [19:20] [Arch_SB]thpr: nvm, just found it
      [19:20] [Arch_SB]thpr:
      http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/message/9080
      [19:20] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Tom, I told Joe to talk to you...
      [19:20] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Since we don't want to interfere with the CDOM
      project.
      [19:21] [Arch_SB]thpr: yea, that's my only concern, I see Joe answered
      me and I missed it
      [19:21] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Speaking of Joe, he's been doing a few
      trackers and some commits... I think he's earned a Lemur title for the
      effort. He's also very responsive. But I'm not the Code SB.... But
      figured I should mention it.
      [19:21] [Admin_SB]Andrew: ;)
      [19:21] [Arch_SB]thpr: I've bookmarked it in my open proposals, so I
      won't lose it
      [19:22] [Code_SB]jdempse: Sounds good to me Andrew
      [19:22] [Code_SB]jdempse: I'll have a look at that
      [19:23] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Thanks... We want to keep our Code Monkeys...
      and a little recognition goes a long way...
      [19:23] [Admin_SB]Andrew: ;)
      [19:24] [Admin_SB]Andrew: My last thing, anyone need help please feel
      free to ask... I seem to have the most free time... I'm more than happy
      to help out.
      [19:25] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Otherwise I think I'm done... Eddy?
      [19:25] [Arch_SB]thpr: Hey Andrew - can you do me a favor, if you have
      some time?
      [19:25] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Yes?
      [19:26] [PR_SB]Maredudd: I have nothing for the floor . .. I already
      talked what I wanted to talk about . . . for now . . . :-)
      [19:26] [Chair]Eddy: I don't have anything, we ready to call it a night?
      [19:26] [Arch_SB]thpr: Can you find the Doc trackers related to tokens
      that have been closed since, say July 1?
      [19:26] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Sure, I can do that.
      [19:26] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Eddy - I'm ready to call it...
      [19:26] [Arch_SB]thpr: shouldn't take long to figure out, but those are
      the gaps I need to close in CDOM to make sure the tokens are sync'd
      [19:26] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Any particular issues Tom?
      [19:26] [OGL]Nylanfs: I have something
      [19:27] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Tom - Ok, I'll email you the list then.
      [19:27] [Arch_SB]thpr: great, thanks, Andrew
      [19:27] [Chair]Eddy: Go Paul
      [19:27] [Arch_SB]thpr: no other issues from me
      [19:27] [OGL]Nylanfs: Is there a really simple writeup on using
      ABILITYCATAGORY and ABILITY?
      [19:28] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Yes, I think I made one...
      [19:28] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Eric was reviewing it before putting it in the
      main docs... but it's in the svn repository
      [19:29] [Admin_SB]Andrew: IF you have any specific questions I'll be
      happy to answer them off-list for you.
      [19:29] [PR_SB]Maredudd: There is a LST Class for converting from Feats
      to Abilities. Is that what your refering to Andrew?
      [19:29] [OGL]Nylanfs: Okay, I'll find it then
      [19:30] [Admin_SB]Andrew: It may be... Which ever one isn't attached to
      the docs properly... I know it explains each thing for the new stuff.
      [19:30] [Admin_SB]Andrew: Is that it Paul?
      [19:30] [OGL]Nylanfs: Yep
      [19:30] [PR_SB]Maredudd: Yeah, it needs to be reviewed and ultimately
      posted on the LSTFIleCLass group before linking to the rest of the docs
      . . .
      [19:31] [Admin_SB]Andrew: ok, sounds good... I've got nothing else...
      [19:31] [Chair]Eddy: All right, thanks for showing up everyone, lets
      call this one done
      [19:31] [Admin_SB]Andrew: I can post it to the groups.
      [19:31] [Chair]Eddy: Meeting adjourned
      [19:32] [Chair]Eddy: go for it Andrew

      --
      ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
      ~ Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
      ~ Data Gibbon, Tracker Gibbon, Docs Lemur
      "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



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