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  • Edwin Holley
    How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have wondered about this a couple of times. It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to the top
    Message 1 of 16 , Jun 14, 2006
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      How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have wondered
      about this a couple of times. It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to
      the top of my character sheet.



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    • James Dempsey
      Hi Edwin, On 15/06/2006 8:49 AM Edwin Holley wrote ... We already do this with the portrait, so it shouldn t be hard at all. ... Perhaps a new campaign tag is
      Message 2 of 16 , Jun 15, 2006
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        Hi Edwin,

        On 15/06/2006 8:49 AM Edwin Holley wrote
        > How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have wondered
        > about this a couple of times.
        We already do this with the portrait, so it shouldn't be hard at all.

        > It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to
        > the top of my character sheet.
        >
        Perhaps a new campaign tag is warranted to define a badge for the
        campaign that can be displayed on the output sheet (which would also
        require a new output tag)? Many campaigns have logos that are used for
        things like this, so while Eberron might not be something that can be
        done in the Open Source project, it might be a good hook for CMP use and
        for us to include for other publishers should they desire it.

        Cheers,

        --
        James Dempsey
        PCGen Code Gibbon
      • Edwin Holley
        Very Cool. I know PDF files are capable of graphic layers as well. It might be cool to offer borders and texture to the output as well. Of course this would
        Message 3 of 16 , Jun 15, 2006
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          Very Cool. I know PDF files are capable of graphic layers as well. It
          might be cool to offer borders and texture to the output as well. Of course
          this would increase the render time, as well of the size of the character.
          But it is something I would like the option of doing for my character
          sheets.



          _____

          From: pcgen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pcgen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
          James Dempsey
          Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:25
          To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [pcgen] Output Sheets



          Hi Edwin,

          On 15/06/2006 8:49 AM Edwin Holley wrote
          > How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have
          wondered
          > about this a couple of times.
          We already do this with the portrait, so it shouldn't be hard at all.

          > It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to
          > the top of my character sheet.
          >
          Perhaps a new campaign tag is warranted to define a badge for the
          campaign that can be displayed on the output sheet (which would also
          require a new output tag)? Many campaigns have logos that are used for
          things like this, so while Eberron might not be something that can be
          done in the Open Source project, it might be a good hook for CMP use and
          for us to include for other publishers should they desire it.

          Cheers,

          --
          James Dempsey
          PCGen Code Gibbon





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        • Eddy Anthony
          ... I was interested in this feature as well and made some experiments with embedding graphics in PDF s and html sheets. The main problem I ran into is not
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            On 6/15/06 6:25 AM, "James Dempsey" <jdempsey@...> wrote:

            > On 15/06/2006 8:49 AM Edwin Holley wrote
            >> How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have wondered
            >> about this a couple of times.
            > We already do this with the portrait, so it shouldn't be hard at all.
            >
            >> It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to
            >> the top of my character sheet.
            >>
            > Perhaps a new campaign tag is warranted to define a badge for the
            > campaign that can be displayed on the output sheet (which would also
            > require a new output tag)? Many campaigns have logos that are used for
            > things like this, so while Eberron might not be something that can be
            > done in the Open Source project, it might be a good hook for CMP use and
            > for us to include for other publishers should they desire it.

            I was interested in this feature as well and made some experiments with
            embedding graphics in PDF's and html sheets. The main problem I ran into is
            not being able to specify a path to the graphic. The portrait token can
            return a file path to a graphic because the user tells PCGen where it is, if
            you just want to add a graphic which would live in the OS folder somewhere
            the path would be different on each machine it's installed on.

            What would solve this neatly is a token which could return the file path
            PCGen is in, you could then set a relative path. Lets call it PCGENPATH

            So lets say you have a logo in:
            outputsheets/graphics/monkey_logo.png

            In the OS you code:

            <img src="|PCGENPATH|outputsheets/graphics/monkey_logo.png">

            On output you get:

            <img src="Applications/PCGen/outputsheets/graphics/monkey_logo.png">

            (or where ever PCGen happens to live on your machine.)
            --
            ~ Eddy Anthony (MoSaT)
            ~ PCGen BoD, Data Content Second, Doc Chimp
          • frugal@purplewombat.co.uk
            ... When I originally did the XSLT PDF sheets I created a custom version for my own use. I found a rather nice parchment image that I could use as a full page
            Message 5 of 16 , Jun 15, 2006
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              > On 6/15/06 6:25 AM, "James Dempsey" <jdempsey@...> wrote:
              >> Perhaps a new campaign tag is warranted to define a badge for the
              >> campaign that can be displayed on the output sheet (which would also
              >> require a new output tag)? Many campaigns have logos that are used for
              >> things like this, so while Eberron might not be something that can be
              >> done in the Open Source project, it might be a good hook for CMP use and
              >> for us to include for other publishers should they desire it.
              >
              > I was interested in this feature as well and made some experiments with
              > embedding graphics in PDF's and html sheets. The main problem I ran into
              > is
              > not being able to specify a path to the graphic. The portrait token can
              > return a file path to a graphic because the user tells PCGen where it is,
              > if
              > you just want to add a graphic which would live in the OS folder somewhere
              > the path would be different on each machine it's installed on.

              When I originally did the XSLT PDF sheets I created a custom version for
              my own use. I found a rather nice parchment image that I could use as a
              full page background. I carefully used a paint package to cut the image
              into 5 pieces according to the sizes of the 5 sections of a XSL:FO page:
              Top border, bottom border, left border, right border and page body. Then I
              set the background of the 5 sections to be the appropriate image. Then
              when I generated the PDF the sections all fitted together seamlessly.

              I seem to recall that I could use relative paths for the images, but the
              base directory of the path was the current working directory of PCGen. So
              it would be the directory you were in when you started the program.

              I also changed the outputsheet to use a custom font to make it look really
              special, but I had to edit the java code in order to get FOP to load my
              custom userconfig.xml file with the font definitions in it.

              Having access to the office colour laser printer at least ment I did not
              need to worry about printing full colour full page documents ;)

              --
              regards,
              Frugal
            • Richard Bowers
              I believe it s kind of both. The images that they produce are under copyright, and not OGL. The word Eberron is just a word - it s not under copyright, it s
              Message 6 of 16 , Jun 15, 2006
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                I believe it's kind of both. The images that they produce are under
                copyright, and not OGL. The word Eberron is just a word - it's not under
                copyright, it's just a trademark - and if you weren't distributing something
                that was otherwise subject to the OGL or violating their copyright, you
                could make your own image. However, IIRC, the OGL requires that you not do
                this - that, even if you would normally have the right to distribute product
                identity that's outside the OGL, you not do that together with OGL.

                Assuming I'm right about this, the PCGen group couldn't create or endorse
                such pictures without author permission. However, an individual could
                hypothetically create their own images, and distribute them, without having
                PCGen do anything specific. There are already tons of such images on fan
                sites out there that could be used.


                On 6/15/06, Terry FitzSimons <fitzsimons@...> wrote:
                >
                > Is it the word Eberron that is Non-OGL, or is it the visual aspect that
                > is
                > Non-OGL? If its the visual aspect then just use something other than the
                > WotC supplied art.
                >
                > I'm sure there is someone with a graphics package that could turn out the
                > few dozen different graphics for all of the different official campaigns
                > in
                > all of the included sets and include a how-to-use files.
                >
                > Terry
                >
                >
                > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:25:11 +1000, you wrote:
                >
                > >Hi Edwin,
                > >
                > >On 15/06/2006 8:49 AM Edwin Holley wrote
                > >> How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have
                > wondered
                > >> about this a couple of times.
                > >We already do this with the portrait, so it shouldn't be hard at all.
                > >
                > >> It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to
                > >> the top of my character sheet.
                > >>
                > >Perhaps a new campaign tag is warranted to define a badge for the
                > >campaign that can be displayed on the output sheet (which would also
                > >require a new output tag)? Many campaigns have logos that are used for
                > >things like this, so while Eberron might not be something that can be
                > >done in the Open Source project, it might be a good hook for CMP use and
                > >for us to include for other publishers should they desire it.
                > >
                > >Cheers,
                > --
                >
                > Terry FitzSimons
                > FITZSIMONS@... <FITZSIMONS%40MINTEL.NET>(Small Letters Only)
                >
                > Data Lemur, Docs Lemur
                >
                >
                >


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              • Terry FitzSimons
                Is it the word Eberron that is Non-OGL, or is it the visual aspect that is Non-OGL? If its the visual aspect then just use something other than the WotC
                Message 7 of 16 , Jun 15, 2006
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                  Is it the word Eberron that is Non-OGL, or is it the visual aspect that is
                  Non-OGL? If its the visual aspect then just use something other than the
                  WotC supplied art.

                  I'm sure there is someone with a graphics package that could turn out the
                  few dozen different graphics for all of the different official campaigns in
                  all of the included sets and include a how-to-use files.

                  Terry

                  On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:25:11 +1000, you wrote:

                  >Hi Edwin,
                  >
                  >On 15/06/2006 8:49 AM Edwin Holley wrote
                  >> How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have wondered
                  >> about this a couple of times.
                  >We already do this with the portrait, so it shouldn't be hard at all.
                  >
                  >> It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to
                  >> the top of my character sheet.
                  >>
                  >Perhaps a new campaign tag is warranted to define a badge for the
                  >campaign that can be displayed on the output sheet (which would also
                  >require a new output tag)? Many campaigns have logos that are used for
                  >things like this, so while Eberron might not be something that can be
                  >done in the Open Source project, it might be a good hook for CMP use and
                  >for us to include for other publishers should they desire it.
                  >
                  >Cheers,
                  --

                  Terry FitzSimons
                  FITZSIMONS@...(Small Letters Only)

                  Data Lemur, Docs Lemur
                • Edwin Holley
                  I my non-legal opinion, usually people get most mad over competing use of a trademark or copyright. I would think that for individual use it would be ok for
                  Message 8 of 16 , Jun 15, 2006
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                    I my non-legal opinion, usually people get most mad over competing use of a
                    trademark or copyright. I would think that for individual use it would be
                    ok for me to make my own sheet. But defiantly not ok for use of non-OGL in
                    PCGen.



                    But I wonder if WoTC has released OGL images for 3.5 / 3.0 (the DnD image
                    with the sword)? If they give permission, it would be kinda neat to include
                    this in one of the character sheets.



                    _____

                    From: pcgen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pcgen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                    Richard Bowers
                    Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 15:32
                    To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [pcgen] Output Sheets



                    I believe it's kind of both. The images that they produce are under
                    copyright, and not OGL. The word Eberron is just a word - it's not under
                    copyright, it's just a trademark - and if you weren't distributing something
                    that was otherwise subject to the OGL or violating their copyright, you
                    could make your own image. However, IIRC, the OGL requires that you not do
                    this - that, even if you would normally have the right to distribute product
                    identity that's outside the OGL, you not do that together with OGL.

                    Assuming I'm right about this, the PCGen group couldn't create or endorse
                    such pictures without author permission. However, an individual could
                    hypothetically create their own images, and distribute them, without having
                    PCGen do anything specific. There are already tons of such images on fan
                    sites out there that could be used.

                    On 6/15/06, Terry FitzSimons <fitzsimons@mintel.
                    <mailto:fitzsimons%40mintel.net> net> wrote:
                    >
                    > Is it the word Eberron that is Non-OGL, or is it the visual aspect that
                    > is
                    > Non-OGL? If its the visual aspect then just use something other than the
                    > WotC supplied art.
                    >
                    > I'm sure there is someone with a graphics package that could turn out the
                    > few dozen different graphics for all of the different official campaigns
                    > in
                    > all of the included sets and include a how-to-use files.
                    >
                    > Terry
                    >
                    >
                    > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:25:11 +1000, you wrote:
                    >
                    > >Hi Edwin,
                    > >
                    > >On 15/06/2006 8:49 AM Edwin Holley wrote
                    > >> How hard would it be to add graphics to a PDF output sheet? I have
                    > wondered
                    > >> about this a couple of times.
                    > >We already do this with the portrait, so it shouldn't be hard at all.
                    > >
                    > >> It would be kind of neat to add Eberron to
                    > >> the top of my character sheet.
                    > >>
                    > >Perhaps a new campaign tag is warranted to define a badge for the
                    > >campaign that can be displayed on the output sheet (which would also
                    > >require a new output tag)? Many campaigns have logos that are used for
                    > >things like this, so while Eberron might not be something that can be
                    > >done in the Open Source project, it might be a good hook for CMP use and
                    > >for us to include for other publishers should they desire it.
                    > >
                    > >Cheers,
                    > --
                    >
                    > Terry FitzSimons
                    > FITZSIMONS@MINTEL. <mailto:FITZSIMONS%40MINTEL.NET> NET
                    <FITZSIMONS%40MINTEL.NET>(Small Letters Only)
                    >
                    > Data Lemur, Docs Lemur
                    >
                    >
                    >

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                  • Chuck Pint
                    ... into is ... it is, if ... somewhere ... Take a look at the DIR.x token. I think you want to extend that to some new subtokens. However, for your example,
                    Message 9 of 16 , Jun 15, 2006
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                      --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Eddy Anthony <eddyba@...> wrote:

                      > I was interested in this feature as well and made some experiments with
                      > embedding graphics in PDF's and html sheets. The main problem I ran
                      into is
                      > not being able to specify a path to the graphic. The portrait token can
                      > return a file path to a graphic because the user tells PCGen where
                      it is, if
                      > you just want to add a graphic which would live in the OS folder
                      somewhere
                      > the path would be different on each machine it's installed on.
                      >
                      > What would solve this neatly is a token which could return the file path
                      > PCGen is in, you could then set a relative path. Lets call it PCGENPATH
                      >
                      > So lets say you have a logo in:
                      > outputsheets/graphics/monkey_logo.png
                      >
                      > In the OS you code:
                      >
                      > <img src="|PCGENPATH|outputsheets/graphics/monkey_logo.png">
                      >
                      > On output you get:
                      >
                      > <img src="Applications/PCGen/outputsheets/graphics/monkey_logo.png">
                      >
                      > (or where ever PCGen happens to live on your machine.)
                      > --
                      > ~ Eddy Anthony (MoSaT)
                      > ~ PCGen BoD, Data Content Second, Doc Chimp
                      >

                      Take a look at the DIR.x token. I think you want to extend that to
                      some new subtokens. However, for your example, you won't have to do
                      anything new. :)

                      Chuck
                      OS Chimp
                    • thoron-tir-gwaith@lycos.com
                      ... OGL images for their Brand name? Nope. What they have done is called in the industry d20STL, and it is the black on white d20 over white on red
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                        > But I wonder if WoTC has released OGL images for 3.5 / 3.0 (the DnD image
                        > with the sword)? If they give permission, it would be kinda neat to include
                        > this in one of the character sheets.

                        OGL images for their Brand name? Nope. What they have done is called in the industry d20STL, and it is the black on white 'd20' over white on red 'SYSTEM' box you see on all the WotC books and many OGL publishers. the d20 Standard Trade Licence is what ppl can use with OGL to mark as using part of the d20 System for users (ie, Trademark they can use according to contract, for free so long as they follow the terms of the deal, to link to the WotC books).

                        The Dungeons and Dragons logo, on the other hand, WotC requires payment to lisence, and probably also requires oversite/stamp of approval for all products produced with said license to use the logo (which of course is kept private among the parties, like most contracts.) For example, Kenzer & Company paid for the Kingdoms of Kalamar Dungeons and Dragons license, and subesquently all KoK items are not under the OGL.

                        Tir Gwaith
                        LST Chimp
                      • Jay
                        ... DnD image ... to include ... I would highly doubt that WotC would release an image of the Dungeons & Dragons logo under the OGL, as D&D is _not_ an OGL
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                          --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Edwin Holley" <eholley@...> wrote:
                          > But I wonder if WoTC has released OGL images for 3.5 / 3.0 (the
                          DnD image
                          > with the sword)? If they give permission, it would be kinda neat
                          to include
                          > this in one of the character sheets.

                          I would highly doubt that WotC would release an image of the
                          Dungeons & Dragons logo under the OGL, as D&D is _not_ an OGL
                          ruleset. (The SRD is, but D&D is a superset of the rules described
                          in the SRD.)

                          And saying "Eberron" is "just a word" comes across as somewhat
                          disingenuous to me. What is an eberron? It is a noun? A verb? An
                          adjective? Do you eberron something? Is something eberron enough for
                          you? Did I forget to grab my eberron on the way out the door?

                          Didn't PCGen already have headaches with WotC when it came to
                          infringing on their property (leading to the granting of the D&D
                          PCGen license to Code Monkey Publishing in the first place)?

                          My suggestion would be to approach Barak or someone else from CMP
                          about creating a _licensed_ Eberron or D&D character sheet, for
                          inclusion in their products. I think they might welcome an
                          outputsheet monkey, as the sheet they currently distribute with
                          their datasets is, IMO, sorely lacking.
                        • Paul
                          I just took a std PF Rakshasa and added a couple of levels of cleric on it (worshiping Asmodeus of course). And allocated the spells and equipment and I m
                          Message 12 of 16 , Aug 2, 2011
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                            I just took a std PF Rakshasa and added a couple of levels of cleric on it (worshiping Asmodeus of course). And allocated the spells and equipment and I'm making a print off of each output sheet.

                            I have to say we have some pretty freaking cool output, I especially like the Laptop and the Spellbook ones. :)

                            Paul
                            PR Silverback
                          • Paul
                            Hmm, just noticed that the domain powers for Trickery and Law aren t printing out anyone confirm this? pcgen 5.17.7 Pathfinder, APG, Bestiary loaded
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                              Hmm, just noticed that the domain powers for Trickery and Law aren't printing out anyone confirm this?

                              pcgen 5.17.7
                              Pathfinder, APG, Bestiary loaded

                              --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I just took a std PF Rakshasa and added a couple of levels of cleric on it (worshiping Asmodeus of course). And allocated the spells and equipment and I'm making a print off of each output sheet.
                              >
                              > I have to say we have some pretty freaking cool output, I especially like the Laptop and the Spellbook ones. :)
                              >
                              > Paul
                              > PR Silverback
                              >
                            • Martijn Verburg
                              Hi Paul, Can you raise a JIRA for this in the DATA project please. K ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              Message 14 of 16 , Sep 16, 2011
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                                Hi Paul,

                                Can you raise a JIRA for this in the DATA project please.

                                K

                                On 3 August 2011 03:33, Paul <nylanfs@...> wrote:

                                > **
                                >
                                >
                                > Hmm, just noticed that the domain powers for Trickery and Law aren't
                                > printing out anyone confirm this?
                                >
                                > pcgen 5.17.7
                                > Pathfinder, APG, Bestiary loaded
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I just took a std PF Rakshasa and added a couple of levels of cleric on
                                > it (worshiping Asmodeus of course). And allocated the spells and equipment
                                > and I'm making a print off of each output sheet.
                                > >
                                > > I have to say we have some pretty freaking cool output, I especially like
                                > the Laptop and the Spellbook ones. :)
                                > >
                                > > Paul
                                > > PR Silverback
                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                >


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                              • Martijn Verburg
                                Oops! I meant the Output Sheet project ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                Message 15 of 16 , Sep 16, 2011
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                                  Oops! I meant the Output Sheet project

                                  On 16 September 2011 22:02, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@...>wrote:

                                  > Hi Paul,
                                  >
                                  > Can you raise a JIRA for this in the DATA project please.
                                  >
                                  > K
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On 3 August 2011 03:33, Paul <nylanfs@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >> **
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Hmm, just noticed that the domain powers for Trickery and Law aren't
                                  >> printing out anyone confirm this?
                                  >>
                                  >> pcgen 5.17.7
                                  >> Pathfinder, APG, Bestiary loaded
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@...> wrote:
                                  >> >
                                  >> > I just took a std PF Rakshasa and added a couple of levels of cleric on
                                  >> it (worshiping Asmodeus of course). And allocated the spells and equipment
                                  >> and I'm making a print off of each output sheet.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > I have to say we have some pretty freaking cool output, I especially
                                  >> like the Laptop and the Spellbook ones. :)
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Paul
                                  >> > PR Silverback
                                  >> >
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >
                                  >


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                                • Paul
                                  http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/OS-146 I also attached the Rakshasa that I noticed with it with and a sample of the pdf and html output sheets.
                                  Message 16 of 16 , Sep 16, 2011
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                                    http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/OS-146

                                    I also attached the Rakshasa that I noticed with it with and a sample of the pdf and html output sheets.


                                    --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Oops! I meant the Output Sheet project
                                    >
                                    > On 16 September 2011 22:02, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@...>wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > Hi Paul,
                                    > >
                                    > > Can you raise a JIRA for this in the DATA project please.
                                    > >
                                    > > K
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > On 3 August 2011 03:33, Paul <nylanfs@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >> **
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >> Hmm, just noticed that the domain powers for Trickery and Law aren't
                                    > >> printing out anyone confirm this?
                                    > >>
                                    > >> pcgen 5.17.7
                                    > >> Pathfinder, APG, Bestiary loaded
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@> wrote:
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > I just took a std PF Rakshasa and added a couple of levels of cleric on
                                    > >> it (worshiping Asmodeus of course). And allocated the spells and equipment
                                    > >> and I'm making a print off of each output sheet.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > I have to say we have some pretty freaking cool output, I especially
                                    > >> like the Laptop and the Spellbook ones. :)
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Paul
                                    > >> > PR Silverback
                                    > >> >
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    >
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