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  • Ricky
    I use prettylst very often to check errors in my dataset, but when pcgen upgrades many seem-to-be-error reported are just new tag or modified behavior of an
    Message 1 of 22 , Feb 25, 2006
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      I use prettylst very often to check errors in my dataset, but when pcgen upgrades many
      "seem-to-be-error" reported are just new tag or modified behavior of an older tag.

      So, i ask you: when prettylst will be upgraded to a new recent version?
      (i have 1.34 build 455 dated 2005.01.19)

      Or the Pcgen loading routine can display all errors it encounters?

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    • thoron-tir-gwaith@lycos.com
      yes. Eric sent it to his short-list earlier this week. Build 561. I ve U/L d it to _exp with Eric s permission, and made it announce it to that group. Tir
      Message 2 of 22 , Mar 17 1:51 PM
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        yes. Eric sent it to his 'short-list' earlier this week. Build 561.

        I've U/L'd it to _exp with Eric's permission, and made it announce it to that group.

        Tir Gwaith
        LST Chimp

        > Is there a version of Prettylst that will handle the SOURCExxx tags?
        >
        > -- david
        > Papa-DRB
      • Terry FitzSimons
        Is that just a download and drop in place or does it need to be installed? Terry ... -- Terry FitzSimons FITZSIMONS@MINTEL.NET(Small Letters Only)
        Message 3 of 22 , Mar 18 10:04 AM
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          Is that just a download and drop in place or does it need to be installed?

          Terry

          On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:51:02 -0500, you wrote:

          >yes. Eric sent it to his 'short-list' earlier this week. Build 561.
          >
          >I've U/L'd it to _exp with Eric's permission, and made it announce it to that group.
          >
          >Tir Gwaith
          >LST Chimp
          >
          >> Is there a version of Prettylst that will handle the SOURCExxx tags?
          >>
          >> -- david
          >> Papa-DRB

          --

          Terry FitzSimons
          FITZSIMONS@...(Small Letters Only)
        • thoron-tir-gwaith@lycos.com
          It is a perl script. You have to have ActiveState s Perl command line interpreter. I ve put the file in a ZIP, for space. Unpack, and use with Perl. Tir
          Message 4 of 22 , Mar 18 10:23 AM
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            It is a perl script. You have to have ActiveState's Perl command line interpreter.

            I've put the file in a ZIP, for space. Unpack, and use with Perl.

            Tir Gwaith
            LST Chimp


            > Is that just a download and drop in place or does it need to be installed?
          • soulcatimous_pteppic
            Could someone tell me what the latest version of Prettylst is, and where I can get it from? I ve been away for a short while, and a google search is no help at
            Message 5 of 22 , Apr 16, 2006
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              Could someone tell me what the latest version of Prettylst is, and
              where I can get it from? I've been away for a short while, and a
              google search is no help at all!!!

              I think the latest version I have is v1.34

              Soulcat
            • Jay
              A version of 1.35 (build 561) was put into the Application Support folder in the Files section of pcgen_experimental. I would be curious to know why no
              Message 6 of 22 , Apr 17, 2006
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                A version of 1.35 (build 561) was put into the "Application Support"
                folder in the Files section of pcgen_experimental.

                I would be curious to know why no release has been made on Sourceforge
                in quite a long time...

                --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "soulcatimous_pteppic"
                <soulcatimous_pteppic@...> wrote:
                >
                > Could someone tell me what the latest version of Prettylst is, and
                > where I can get it from? I've been away for a short while, and a
                > google search is no help at all!!!
                >
                > I think the latest version I have is v1.34
                >
                > Soulcat
                >
              • Eric Beaudoin
                ... Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When I first release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the express warning that
                Message 7 of 22 , Apr 18, 2006
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                  At 21:29 2006.04.17, Jay wrote:
                  >A version of 1.35 (build 561) was put into the "Application Support"
                  >folder in the Files section of pcgen_experimental.
                  >
                  >I would be curious to know why no release has been made on Sourceforge
                  >in quite a long time...

                  Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When I first release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the express warning that there it would not really be supported. I do what I can when I can.


                  -----------------------------------------------------------
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                  Release Monkey fighting Real Life(tm)
                  >> In space, no one can hear you sleep.
                  >> Camels to can climb trees (and sometime eat them).
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                • Jay
                  ... Support ... Sourceforge ... I first release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the express warning that there it would not really be
                  Message 8 of 22 , Apr 18, 2006
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                    --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Eric Beaudoin <beaudoer@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > At 21:29 2006.04.17, Jay wrote:
                    > >A version of 1.35 (build 561) was put into the "Application
                    Support"
                    > >folder in the Files section of pcgen_experimental.
                    > >
                    > >I would be curious to know why no release has been made on
                    Sourceforge
                    > >in quite a long time...

                    > Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When
                    I first release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the
                    express warning that there it would not really be supported. I do
                    what I can when I can.

                    Fair enough; I wasn't aware of any such warning, but then again I'm
                    relatively new to PCGen. So I apologize if I came across as brusque.

                    It's a great help when developing datasets, especially with the
                    rapid changes of the last few versions. So take it as a left-handed
                    compliment that people are interested in new versions.

                    Jay =
                  • Eric Beaudoin
                    ... You didn t came as brusque, have no worry. I m just annoyed at myself for not finding the time. I know that many ppl use it and I would like to do a better
                    Message 9 of 22 , Apr 18, 2006
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                      At 21:23 2006.04.18, Jay wrote:
                      >--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Eric Beaudoin <beaudoer@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> At 21:29 2006.04.17, Jay wrote:
                      >> >A version of 1.35 (build 561) was put into the "Application
                      >Support"
                      >> >folder in the Files section of pcgen_experimental.
                      >> >
                      >> >I would be curious to know why no release has been made on
                      >Sourceforge
                      >> >in quite a long time...
                      >
                      >> Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When
                      >I first release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the
                      >express warning that there it would not really be supported. I do
                      >what I can when I can.
                      >
                      >Fair enough; I wasn't aware of any such warning, but then again I'm
                      >relatively new to PCGen. So I apologize if I came across as brusque.
                      >
                      >It's a great help when developing datasets, especially with the
                      >rapid changes of the last few versions. So take it as a left-handed
                      >compliment that people are interested in new versions.
                      >
                      >Jay =

                      You didn't came as brusque, have no worry. I'm just annoyed at myself for not finding the time. I know that many ppl use it and I would like to do a better job on it.


                      -----------------------------------------------------------
                      Éric "Space Monkey" Beaudoin
                      Founding Member of the Hidden-in-the-Trench Club
                      Release Monkey fighting Real Life(tm)
                      >> In space, no one can hear you sleep.
                      >> Camels to can climb trees (and sometime eat them).
                      <mailto:beaudoer@...>
                    • karianna03
                      So if there are any PERL capable monkeys out there, Eric would love to hear from you, we re working him pretty darn hard as the Release Monkey at the moment
                      Message 10 of 22 , Apr 19, 2006
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                        So if there are any PERL capable monkeys out there, Eric would love to
                        hear from you, we're working him pretty darn hard as the Release
                        Monkey at the moment :-)

                        Karianna
                        Soul Reaper

                        --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Eric Beaudoin <beaudoer@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > At 21:23 2006.04.18, Jay wrote:
                        > >--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Eric Beaudoin <beaudoer@> wrote:
                        > >>
                        > >> At 21:29 2006.04.17, Jay wrote:
                        > >> >A version of 1.35 (build 561) was put into the "Application
                        > >Support"
                        > >> >folder in the Files section of pcgen_experimental.
                        > >> >
                        > >> >I would be curious to know why no release has been made on
                        > >Sourceforge
                        > >> >in quite a long time...
                        > >
                        > >> Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When
                        > >I first release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the
                        > >express warning that there it would not really be supported. I do
                        > >what I can when I can.
                        > >
                        > >Fair enough; I wasn't aware of any such warning, but then again I'm
                        > >relatively new to PCGen. So I apologize if I came across as brusque.
                        > >
                        > >It's a great help when developing datasets, especially with the
                        > >rapid changes of the last few versions. So take it as a left-handed
                        > >compliment that people are interested in new versions.
                        > >
                        > >Jay =
                        >
                        > You didn't came as brusque, have no worry. I'm just annoyed at
                        myself for not finding the time. I know that many ppl use it and I
                        would like to do a better job on it.
                        >
                        >
                        > -----------------------------------------------------------
                        > Éric "Space Monkey" Beaudoin
                        > Founding Member of the Hidden-in-the-Trench Club
                        > Release Monkey fighting Real Life(tm)
                        > >> In space, no one can hear you sleep.
                        > >> Camels to can climb trees (and sometime eat them).
                        > <mailto:beaudoer@...>
                        >
                      • boomer70
                        ... I am moderately Perl capable. Let me know how I can help out. -Aaron ... Aaron Divinsky PCGen Docs 2nd, Data Chimp, Code & Doc Tamarin
                        Message 11 of 22 , Apr 19, 2006
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                          --- karianna03 <martijnverburg@...> wrote:

                          > So if there are any PERL capable monkeys out there,
                          > Eric would love to
                          > hear from you, we're working him pretty darn hard as
                          > the Release
                          > Monkey at the moment :-)
                          >
                          > Karianna
                          > Soul Reaper
                          >

                          I am moderately Perl capable. Let me know how I can
                          help out.

                          -Aaron


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                        • karianna03
                          Well I d speak to Eric directly, but I think it s a case of completing the outstanding prettylst trackers and making a release available K
                          Message 12 of 22 , Apr 19, 2006
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                            Well I'd speak to Eric directly, but I think it's a case of completing
                            the outstanding prettylst trackers and making a release available

                            K

                            > --- karianna03 <martijnverburg@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > So if there are any PERL capable monkeys out there,
                            > > Eric would love to
                            > > hear from you, we're working him pretty darn hard as
                            > > the Release
                            > > Monkey at the moment :-)
                            > >
                            > > Karianna
                            > > Soul Reaper
                            > >
                            >
                            > I am moderately Perl capable. Let me know how I can
                            > help out.
                            >
                            > -Aaron
                            >
                            >
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                          • Brass Tilde
                            ... Can you put it in the repo? That would give those who have a chance to work on it the opportunity to do so.
                            Message 13 of 22 , Apr 19, 2006
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                              > > I would be curious to know why no release has been made on
                              > > Sourceforge
                              > > in quite a long time...

                              > Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When I
                              > first
                              > release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the express
                              > warning
                              > that there it would not really be supported. I do what I can when I
                              > can.

                              Can you put it in the repo? That would give those who have a chance to
                              work on it the opportunity to do so.
                            • Richard Bowers
                              ... Has someone had a chance to do this yet? If not, what s the right place to put it? On a related note - can we tracker something for prettylst, to add name
                              Message 14 of 22 , May 3, 2006
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                                On 4/19/06, Brass Tilde <brasstilde@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > > I would be curious to know why no release has been made on
                                > > > Sourceforge
                                > > > in quite a long time...
                                >
                                > > Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When I
                                > > first
                                > > release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the express
                                > > warning
                                > > that there it would not really be supported. I do what I can when I
                                > > can.
                                >
                                > Can you put it in the repo? That would give those who have a chance to
                                > work on it the opportunity to do so.
                                >

                                Has someone had a chance to do this yet? If not, what's the right place to
                                put it?

                                On a related note - can we tracker something for prettylst, to add name
                                changes for equipment to the list - changing Potion of (.*) to \1 (Potion),
                                or whatever the right translations are for the changes that have been made
                                in the past?


                                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              • karianna03
                                Hi all, Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is not of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm than good). The
                                Message 15 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                  Hi all,

                                  Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is not
                                  of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm than good).

                                  The latest version of prettylst is on the lstfilehelp Y! group, but is
                                  considered by Eric to be unsupported, all though of course there are
                                  plenty of data monkeys that use it and would be happy to try and
                                  answer questions.

                                  There is a Tracker area for Prettylst trackers (14 items open at the
                                  moment), feel free to add more as you see fit!

                                  Karianna

                                  > On 4/19/06, Brass Tilde <brasstilde@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > > > I would be curious to know why no release has been made on
                                  > > > > Sourceforge
                                  > > > > in quite a long time...
                                  > >
                                  > > > Because of lack of time of my part to prepare such a release. When I
                                  > > > first
                                  > > > release prettylst.pl to the general public, it was with the express
                                  > > > warning
                                  > > > that there it would not really be supported. I do what I can when I
                                  > > > can.
                                  > >
                                  > > Can you put it in the repo? That would give those who have a
                                  chance to
                                  > > work on it the opportunity to do so.
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > Has someone had a chance to do this yet? If not, what's the right
                                  place to
                                  > put it?
                                  >
                                  > On a related note - can we tracker something for prettylst, to add name
                                  > changes for equipment to the list - changing Potion of (.*) to \1
                                  (Potion),
                                  > or whatever the right translations are for the changes that have
                                  been made
                                  > in the past?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  >
                                • Susan Dittmar
                                  Hi folks, ... that s bad news, especially considering how often it s referred to on PCGen s lists. Eric, do you perhaps have time to talk with me about what s
                                  Message 16 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                    Hi folks,

                                    > Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is not
                                    > of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm than good).

                                    that's bad news, especially considering how often it's referred to on
                                    PCGen's lists.

                                    Eric, do you perhaps have time to talk with me about what's the reasons for
                                    your opinion? I love perl programming, and I am working on understanding
                                    the lst files, so I might help getting prettylst back to work, if that's
                                    not hopeless.

                                    Susan
                                  • karianna03
                                    Corrected location of file below, thanks Tir.
                                    Message 17 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                      Corrected location of file below, thanks Tir.

                                      > Hi all,
                                      >
                                      > Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is
                                      > not of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm
                                      > than good).
                                      >
                                      > The latest version of prettylst is on the pcgen_experimental Y!
                                      > group, but is considered by Eric to be unsupported, all though of
                                      > course there are plenty of data monkeys that use it and would be
                                      > happy to try and answer questions.
                                      >
                                      > There is a Tracker area for Prettylst trackers (14 items open at the
                                      > moment), feel free to add more as you see fit!
                                      >
                                      > Karianna
                                    • karianna03
                                      Bumping to Eric, We ll happily take any and all assistance on this project :-) We re about a core group 0f 10-15 volnuteers supporting 1000 s (probably
                                      Message 18 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                        Bumping to Eric,

                                        We'll happily take any and all assistance on this project :-)

                                        We're about a core group 0f 10-15 volnuteers supporting 1000's
                                        (probably 10,000s) of users!

                                        Karianna
                                        Chair Monkey

                                        --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Susan Dittmar <Susan.Dittmar@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Hi folks,
                                        >
                                        > > Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is not
                                        > > of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm than
                                        good).
                                        >
                                        > that's bad news, especially considering how often it's referred to on
                                        > PCGen's lists.
                                        >
                                        > Eric, do you perhaps have time to talk with me about what's the
                                        reasons for
                                        > your opinion? I love perl programming, and I am working on understanding
                                        > the lst files, so I might help getting prettylst back to work, if that's
                                        > not hopeless.
                                        >
                                        > Susan
                                        >
                                      • pkukwork
                                        ... Hum, sorry to complain again , but I went on the pcgen_experimental, in the files area
                                        Message 19 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                          --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "karianna03" <martijnverburg@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Corrected location of file below, thanks Tir.
                                          >
                                          > > Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is
                                          > > not of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm
                                          > > than good).
                                          > >
                                          > > The latest version of prettylst is on the pcgen_experimental Y!
                                          > > group, but is considered by Eric to be unsupported, all though of
                                          > > course there are plenty of data monkeys that use it and would be
                                          > > happy to try and answer questions.
                                          > >
                                          > > There is a Tracker area for Prettylst trackers (14 items open at the
                                          > > moment), feel free to add more as you see fit!

                                          Hum, sorry to "complain again", but I went on the pcgen_experimental,
                                          in the files area
                                          (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/files/Application%20Support/),
                                          and clicked on prettylst_1-35_build-561.zip.

                                          And got: "Document Not Found - The document you requested could not be
                                          found."

                                          Philippe
                                        • karianna03
                                          OK, that s just plain weird, I ve done the same thing and get the file, oh hang on a sec.... It s probably a permissions thing. I ve put a copy in the
                                          Message 20 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                            OK, that's just plain weird, I've done the same thing and get the
                                            file, oh hang on a sec.... It's probably a permissions thing. I've
                                            put a copy in the Files-->Campaign+Central of this group. _Please_
                                            remember to backup all of your files before using prettylst, "Here be
                                            Dragons".

                                            K

                                            --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "pkukwork" <philippe.krait@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "karianna03" <martijnverburg@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > Corrected location of file below, thanks Tir.
                                            > >
                                            > > > Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is
                                            > > > not of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm
                                            > > > than good).
                                            > > >
                                            > > > The latest version of prettylst is on the pcgen_experimental Y!
                                            > > > group, but is considered by Eric to be unsupported, all though of
                                            > > > course there are plenty of data monkeys that use it and would be
                                            > > > happy to try and answer questions.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > There is a Tracker area for Prettylst trackers (14 items open at the
                                            > > > moment), feel free to add more as you see fit!
                                            >
                                            > Hum, sorry to "complain again", but I went on the pcgen_experimental,
                                            > in the files area
                                            >
                                            (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/files/Application%20Support/),
                                            > and clicked on prettylst_1-35_build-561.zip.
                                            >
                                            > And got: "Document Not Found - The document you requested could not be
                                            > found."
                                            >
                                            > Philippe
                                            >
                                          • Paul W. King
                                            ... It probably is a permissions thing. I think to get any files off of Experimental you have to be a member of the group. Paul W. King PR SB, BoD
                                            Message 21 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                              > OK, that's just plain weird, I've done the same thing and get the
                                              > file, oh hang on a sec.... It's probably a permissions thing.

                                              It probably is a permissions thing. I think to get any files off of
                                              Experimental you have to be a member of the group.

                                              Paul W. King
                                              PR SB, BoD
                                            • Eric Beaudoin
                                              ... Hi Susan, here s the message I sent yesterday to the dev and experimental list to answer a question from Kariana. I guess I should have copied the main
                                              Message 22 of 22 , May 4, 2006
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                                                At 05:54 2006.05.04, Susan Dittmar wrote:
                                                >Hi folks,
                                                >
                                                >> Eric beleives that Prettylst is at the end of its lifecycle and is not
                                                >> of a quality for general public use (it would cause more harm than good).
                                                >
                                                >that's bad news, especially considering how often it's referred to on
                                                >PCGen's lists.
                                                >
                                                >Eric, do you perhaps have time to talk with me about what's the reasons for
                                                >your opinion? I love perl programming, and I am working on understanding
                                                >the lst files, so I might help getting prettylst back to work, if that's
                                                >not hopeless.
                                                >
                                                > Susan

                                                Hi Susan, here's the message I sent yesterday to the dev and experimental list to answer a question from Kariana. I guess I should have copied the main group :-).

                                                At 10:24 2006.05.03, Martijn Verburg wrote:
                                                >Some users have raised a good point. Prettylst would go a long way to
                                                >assisting users in migrating their homebrews from 5.8 to 5.10. Should
                                                >we look to making this tool avaialbe to the masses? It would perhaps
                                                >involve some work in order to 'production ready' the script...
                                                >
                                                >K

                                                prettylst.pl is already available to the masses. The latest beta has even been put on the Yahoo group by Tir. It is not however a tool that will allow you to go from 5.8 data to 5.10. Far to many very deep changes were made during that cycle. Also, it has never been intended to be used by the masses. If you don't know what you are doing, you may end up screwing everything up (I'm not called Space Monkey for nothing).

                                                I still hope but never find the time to package a release. When I get a bit of time, I do either things that are needed right away or fix things that need to be fixed and never really get to putting together the doc and other stuff for a release. It has kind of become an eternal beta. As I said previously, I invite anybody to submit to me changes they make to it. Except for Tir a few times, I don't think nobody ever has. There is a repository for prettylst.pl since the first version, it's on my PC, and I'm still unwilling to loose the history by moving it elsewhere. This is a moot point really as I will not ignore any patch submitted to me unless it breaks the script in ways I can't fix.

                                                It is good to understand that prettylst.pl was build to reformat lines in .lst files. It has evolve a bit from there but at the base, it is still what it is. Recent evolutions of the syntax and proposal for upcoming evolution make it likely that it will breaks in a very bad way soon. We are reaching the limit of the current design and only luck prevent it from falling apart completely. Just the recent addition of Unicode characters in .lst files without any ways of knowing which files are using Unicode nearly killed it. In short, it needs to be rewritten and not mush can be reused from it.

                                                It is time for someone to write the next prettylst.pl. This one is a horse that gave us many years but that will soon need to be put out of his misery.

                                                I'm very happy that some people found it useful all that time.



                                                -----------------------------------------------------------
                                                Éric "Space Monkey" Beaudoin
                                                Founding Member of the Hidden-in-the-Trench Club
                                                Release Monkey fighting Real Life(tm)
                                                >> In space, no one can hear you sleep.
                                                >> Camels to can climb trees (and sometime eat them).
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