ATTN: ALL Users and monkeys
- Hi all,
Some of the further issues have been resolved or discussed further,
updates in ** **
--- In email@example.com, "karianna03" <MartijnV@d...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Here is the results of the 1st round of voting from the issues
> discussed over the last two weeks. Please note that several more
> documents need to be released and some discussions finished.
> This post is very long, please read in its entirety before you
> post. It is _preferred_ that you post replies to Karianna directly
> as many long posts will simply clutter up this board, that however
> is a suggestion, not an ultimatum 8-).
> The full minutes (minus some swearing etc) will be posted in the
> files section under BoD Minutes.
> >>1.) MORE DATESETS IN, BETA OR NO BETA, sorry for the caps but this
> >>has been screamed out on the boards and privately too me as well.
> OK, the board totally agrees that this process needs to be
> improved. Tir and the data team have started on a process to do
> this, _but_ the BoD has not agreed on the exact format on this.
> This discussion is still raging on our board.
> The Board would like to thank several new volnuteers for jumping on
> board and helping out on QA to clear the backlog.
**The debate continues to rage**
> >>2.) A less CMP affiliated board.
> The board feels that this is not necessary for several reasons:
> a.) Several misconceptions about the CMP representatives and their
> business practices were cleared up in the last few weeks of posting
> on this board.
> b.) The BoD is not as CMP skewed as some would think.
> The board is as follows
> Benevolent Dictator - Merton - CMP Owner
> Special Projects - Mynex - CMP Owner
> Code SB - Lone Jedi - CMP Owner
> OS SB - Barak - CMP Contractor
> Publisher Liason SB - Beaver - CMP Contractor
> Data SB - Tir Gwaith - Not CMP Affiliated
> OGL SB - Paul King - Not CMP Affiliated
> Docs SB - Shane Molnar - Not CMP Affiliated
> GMGen Regent - Devon Jones - Not CMP Affiliated
> TM SB - Karianna - Not CMP Affiliated
> (Karianna has quit as moderator for the CMP boards to remove
> any 'affiliation').
> c.) A 'second' (see below) will be added for most SBs (excluding
> Merton although Karianna was jokingly suggested as dictator-of-the-
> day and Mynex) to the board mailing list, the names are still being
> all put forward by the respective SBs, but the 1st five put
> forward so far are not CMP affiliated (Zachlists (data), Paul
> Grosse (OGL) and Hetter (TM), Frugal (OS), eddyanthony (Docs)).
> This now effectively makes the board 10 non and 5 CMP.
** No more seconds have been put forward that are outside of the
board, but Paul King is Beaver's second (Publisher Liason) and Barak
is Mynex's second (Special Projects).**
> A seperate document that will be released with our bylaws, will
> list each SB, their 2nd and any affiliations with CMP.
> >>3.) User reps on the BoD.
> This one is still under discussion 8-). The BoD isn't against it
> per say, but with SB's already being users as well as their new
> seconds, it may not be necessary, we'd like to hear your thoughts
> on this.
> We've had no response on this, so we assume the assignement of
> several users as our seconds was more than enough 8-)
> >>4.) Rotation of BoD members.
> Each SB will have a second that will step in if a SB is away etc
> for any reason. It is still up to the board to remove/assign
> people to the board.
> The main reason that we cannot rotate people 'willy nilly' is that
> there simply aren't that many experts in each field to take over.
> >>5.) Read access to the BoD list.
> A unanimous no. We believe that the BoD and its seconds need a
> private place to discuss PCGEN issues _especially_ around legal
> matters etc. We hope that more regular reports coming out of the
> BoD and other restricted groups (LMC) will make the BoD process
> more transparent.
> >>6.) A way of protecting PCGEN LMC created datasets (our section 15
> >>statement should cover this).
> A unanimous vote to say Yes! to include a section 15 in all pcgen
> created datasets. This should more than adequetely protect data
> sets made by LMC and other monkeys. Please contact Paul King the
> OGL SB for the legal details.
> >>7.) Our bylaws published (lets get this out people!!!).
> Some final wording work is being done, expect it out within the
> next week!
**Some more wording wrangling to be done**
> >>8.) consider moving all LMC conversations back to the main group
> >>(see my recent post there for reasoning)
> A unanimous no. LMC needs a private place where they can store and
> discuss datasets. Again this is due to legal implications as well
> as not cluttering up the main list! As LMC will be reporting on
> data sets weekly, that should make their work adequetely
> >>9.) regular (weekly) report to main group on source work
> Yes yes yes, the BoD totally agrees, a weekly report is what the
> Data team will deliver. What format that is in is still to be
**Format still being discussed**
> >>10.) adding more data SB to help manage the sources, find some way
> >>to categorize them so each SB manages a certain area. one data SB
> >>also sits on the Board
> Done. Tir has recruited several more monkeys and has gained a
> second (Zachlists) to sit on the board.
> >>11.) determine policy for how and how often to query a publisher
> >>when data has been sent to them for final approval.
> Beaver and Tir are sorting out a policy (althoguh it is likely to
> be different times for different publishers).
**Again, still being discussed**
> >>12.) move BoD chats to a place where only those who are on it can
> >>post, and anyone can be there and see the conversation live. This
> >>will allow community participants - maybe let users submit
> >>questions for the Board to answer.
> No for technical reasons, several BoD members are behind firewalls
> that do not allow for alternative technologies.
> The BoD is _always_ happy to receive questions and suggestions from
> the community, simply post here or mail anyone of us.
> >>13.) Publisher's questions, and how to respond to others given in
> >>a similar vein.
> This is all to do with people wanting inter-operability with
> The BoD view is to treat each case on a case by case basis, some
> people we have politely told to go away, others we're happy to work
> with (like openRPG).
> In short the BoD's attitude will be that anyone who is open source
> and isn't trying to free load off the hard work that pcgen monkeys
> have done will be almost always welcomed with open arms 8-).
> TM SB
> On behalf of the BoD
- And while we're on the subject, could someone post the "condensed"
minutes again, akin to what Kar used to post ?
Having the entire logs is nice, but often I just want a quick idea what
happened, if I want to know more, i'll know where to go and find it.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Andrew Wilson <pcgen@r...> wrote:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:53:55AM -0000, karianna03 wrote:
> > > There have been some statements and rumours going around on
> > > groups associated with PCGEN about the change in the Data SB
> > > position. I would ask that you please read the minutes recently
> > > posted for the true source of recent events, they are unedited
> > > minutes.
> > Hi
> > Firstly, let me say thanks to the person who takes the time to put
> > these together.
> > However, I found the plain text versions of the previous minutes
> > easier to read. Can I make a plea for the person putting them
> > to use css instead of hard-coding the various font's/colours. That
> way at
> > least I can turn them off. Yellow on white is almost illegible.
> and the
> > weirdo different sized fonts/font faces are really distracting.
> > While I'm bitching about style, a table would be nice with the
> > time and comment in different cells. It'll mean the text lines up
> > better and wraps nicely.
> > Thanks.
> A very fine suggestion. In the actual chat things aren't different
> sizes and no one had a yellow font. I generally save logs of all
> chats and always do so in plain text just because that's easier to
> deal with. :) I'll see if I can get someone with the full chat-log
> to post a conversion of it for your convenience and for everyone
> else since, obviously, this log will be of interest to a number of
> > Andrew (WTF is wrong with plain text?) Wilson
> > --
> > Leo: (July 23 - Aug. 22)
> > Though it should be easy to prove that giant robots are not
> > sneaking up on you, you remain remarkably resistant to dissuasion.
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