> -----Original Message-----
> From: koralis_arkhadian
> --- In pcgen@y..., "STILES, BRAD" <BRAD.STILES@s...> wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > As long as a straight cleric can't take the madness domain, yes.
> > However, if a cleric *can* take the madness domain, then that
> > would yield erroneous results. To solve that (using what I
> > describe above), we'd need to do something like:
> Madness is a Prestige Domain. It can only be taken by a prestige
> class (unless a GM is fudging the rules.)
That makes it a little easier.
> Incidently, you're missing the part where it says:
> "You gain an 'Insanity score' equal to __half__ your class level
> (add cleric and prestige domain.. yadda.. yadda..."
No I'm not. It may not have been in the message you replied to, but it's in
one of 'em.
> > Now, the other kicker is when we start calculating bonus spells,
> > spell DCs, skills and saves. For bonus spells and DCs, we have
> > to pretend that the Wisdom score, not the modifier, is the current
> > Wisdom score plus this MadnessScore. The modifier of this new wisdom
> > is used for those items. For skills and saves that use Wisdom as
> > their attribute, we have to pretend that the Wisdom score is the
> > current Wisdom *minus* the MadnessScore.
> Covered that in another posting... easiest to subtract the insanity
> modifier from Wisdom, and then add it twice for calculating DC and
> spells per day.
Hmmm, not being as familiar with the BONUS tag as I should be, how is even
*that* going to be possible given the current structure? It's not a
straight bonus, but rather one based on the character's modified wisdom
score. The general process as I understand it is:
Calculate "Insanity" score := (cleric levels + levels of prestige domain
which chose madness domain) / 2
Calculate Bonus Wisdom := Current Wisdom + Insanity score
Calculate Penalty Wisdom := Current Wisdom - Insanity score
For spell DCs and bonus spells use the wisdom bonus implied by the Bonus
For Skills and Will saves, along with everything else that uses the wisdom
modifier, use the wisdom bonus implied by the Penalty Wisdom.
Now whether the program actually follows these specific steps isn't
relevant, but the last two need to be the end result of whatever it does do.
As an example, a character with a 13 wisdom, 5 levels of cleric, and 5
levels of a prestige class, and the madness domain. This character normally
has a +1 ability bonus.
The insanity score is 5 ( (5+5)/2 ).
For bonus spells and spell DC, the Wisdom score is 18 (13 + 5), for modifier
For skills, saves and all other checks, the Wisdom score is 8, for a
modifier of -1
That means that the BONUS tags need to do something like this:
For DCs and bonus spells:
(((CurrentWisdomScore + InsanityScore) / 2 ) - 5) -
For skills, and saves that use Wisdom:
(((CurrentWisdomScore - InsanityScore) / 2 ) - 5) -