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Re: [pcgen] [OT] GNU/Linux and FLOSS (Re: ReactOS)

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  • Darth Borehd
    I have to agree that Linux is not hard to use. If you think otherwise you have been misinformed. My dad used it on his home computer and he was computer
    Message 1 of 12 , Jun 29, 2013
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      I have to agree that Linux is not hard to use. If you think otherwise you
      have been misinformed.

      My dad used it on his home computer and he was computer illiterate.

      My kids use it for. I also installed it for a local preschool and the kids
      are fine with it there too.


      On 29 June 2013 10:23, jciszek123 <jciszek123@...> wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      > Not so short reply...sorry, guys.
      >
      > Maybe I missed a thread, but most Linux distro's come with a graphical
      > interface nowadays, so why all the hubbub about a command-line faux pas?
      > Seriously, you don't *usually* have to do something via CLI unless you
      > *want* to. And rm'ing a file via CLI definitely falls under 'want to'. It's
      > not as if someone's expecting you to jumpstart Solaris without any
      > guidance. The *nix directory structure is different than Windows, sure, but
      > so is MacOS' (and IIRC, MacOS running on a customized BSD-derivative. Or
      > maybe it's Debian? Either way, SURPRISE! It's Linux'y, wrapped in a pretty
      > Apple gui!).
      >
      > Home Use Case:
      > Personally, I'm running Ubuntu at home since 2008/2009. (PCGen runs on it
      > marvellously, btw, thumbs-up!) If you're expecting every Microsoft app to
      > work in Linux, you're merely setting yourself up for disappointment. From
      > my experience, most of the apps that "don't work in Linux" are
      > vendor-specific-built-for-Windows, games or "we can't be bothered to
      > support a minority market share". However, I've found that a vast majority
      > of Windows applications tend to have an open-source equivalent, easily
      > locatable with some google-fu or a repo search. There's still the Linux
      > desktop equivalent of "My Documents", a trashcan, and taskbar/shortcut
      > features for those who simply can't function without icons to click. The
      > Linux equivalent might not do EVERYTHING EXACTLY as the Microsoft version
      > does, but the 80/20 rule usually holds true, which tends to be good enough
      > for most folks. Features in my Nissan aren't EXACTLY THE SAME as features
      > in my Ford either, but, golly, I still manage to drive around...
      >
      > Quick-and-easy solution for games requiring direct hardware access: dual
      > boot. Trust me, a reboot to a Windows partition now and again won't hurt
      > you. If you can't be bothered with a reboot to play a game, that's more of
      > a personal issue, IMHO, not a technical one. Alternative for
      > not-requiring-direct-hardware-access: WINE/VMWare/VirtualBox, but even
      > those are getting better at hardware emulation nowadays, some of the newer
      > games probably work in a virtual environment (I haven't tried)
      >
      > As someone mentioned previously, Joe Schmoe causal user is typically only
      > using a browser, email and maybe some sort of office application. You don't
      > need Windows for those. Click on the little orange fox instead of the big
      > blue 'E'... not a huge learning curve there. When my not-so-techie
      > husband's hard drive died a couple of years back, I installed Ubuntu on his
      > machine too. And given that he hasn't taken a sledgehammer to his tower, or
      > demanded a Windows re-install, I'll chalk one up in the victory column.
      >
      > Business Use Case:
      > Frankly, it depends on the business. I'd love to be able to run Linux at
      > work. But I work for a very big company with very anal IT policies, so I
      > just go with the flow, use whatever they issue to me and breathe a sigh of
      > relief when my workday's over. In Andrew's case, yup, I can see how a
      > signing tablet linked up via a cell network would present a challenge.
      > (There's a linux RDP equiv, btw ;-) ) But for most small business owners,
      > or anyone else whose dayjobs involve shuffling spreadsheets, answering
      > email or other administrative mundane in a cubicle farm, they likely don't
      > need Windows. Unless you're spending money that isn't yours, then hey,
      > overpay for whatever you can! ;-)
      >
      > -JackieC
      >
      >
      > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > I'll keep the reply brief - I have a bunch of co-workers that can barely
      > operate a Windows Computer,
      > > with a Program we need on it to conduct our business. Any 'change' needs
      > to be minimal to not
      > > interrupt mission critical operations.
      > >
      > > I did attempt Linux, and would have saved the company money, were it not
      > for the fact the support
      > > for the pen (Signing on a digitized screen) was faulty. I'm computer
      > literate and can figure out
      > > problems. My co-workers need to be trained to debug and operate as a
      > basic user. Hence any
      > > replacement must not introduce a drastic learning curve - in fact,
      > login, open said program and
      > > that's all they need.
      > >
      > > On 6/28/2013 5:35 AM, masaru20100 wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
      > > >>
      > > >> Linux requires a learning curve that is difficult to instill in a
      > non-computer literate work force.
      > > >
      > > > I don���t agree. There is no reason it would be more difficult to
      > learn to use a computer that uses GNU/Linux that it would be any other
      > systems when you never used any (that is what I understand by non-computer
      > literate).
      > > > For people that are used to a particular OS, it can be a bit
      > different, but it���s mostly because of resistance to change more than
      > anything.
      > > >
      > > >> Also, many of the programs I enjoy aren't exactly supported on Linux.
      > > >
      > > > Maybe you ought to change for software that are? I know there is some
      > software that don���t have equivalent thought.
      > > >
      > > >> A free-alternative that is a system people know and understand is
      > what I'm looking for. I need
      > > >> something that I can use, and know my wife and kids can easily use
      > (Along with co-workers).
      > > >
      > > > If they just need to be able to use it, not install or admin it, I
      > don���t see any reason it wouldn���t fit. Many users only need some web
      > browser, it might not be their case.
      > > >
      > > >> I've played with Linux, it's support is lacking for my job - when I
      > did the research and tried to
      > > >> make it a reality, Linux failed to achieve the minimal levels that
      > could be achieved out of the box
      > > >> by Windows. I tried several distros. Linux is a great OS, but it's
      > still very much in the realm of
      > > >> geek/nerd level understanding. Hand two computers to my workforce,
      > one with Linux and one with
      > > >> Windows and tell me honestly which computer will work for them.
      > > >>
      > > >> Etch-a-sketch - won't fly. I need a java capable computer with plenty
      > of memory and hard drive space
      > > >> to handle mission critical programs and have internet access.
      > > >>
      > > >> Linux - doesn't easily support Toughbook computers where we grab
      > signatures directly in the field to
      > > >> be applied to both Adobe Forms and a PCR program. Nor does it have
      > the driver support for the
      > > >> wireless cell card. (I spend a week trying to get the pens to work,
      > it wasn't a very nice
      > > >> experience, it's depressing actually)
      > > >
      > > > You can���t blame Linux for that, only the manufacturer or editors
      > that don���t want to support it. Adobe is one of them, they almost stopped
      > all forms of development for Linux. You expect hardware (and software) made
      > for Windows to work on Linux. It usually works fine, but if it needs any
      > driver, if the manufacturer doesn���t release it, it is hard to make up
      > from scratch. It has been done in the past but it is not easy.
      > > > If you want to be sure that some hardware is working on Linux, you
      > need to check before buying because most company will not make it apparent
      > on their packaging.
      > > >
      > > >> Right now, the company is on Windows 7, using toughbook computers
      > with digitized screens. ReactOS
      > > >> has promise, and I can wait a few years. I'm the most computer savvy
      > employee at my job, I can learn
      > > >> computer nuances, debug and fix them easily. I have the patience to
      > troubleshoot a problem. The rest
      > > >> know how to turn on the computer, log in and access the programs they
      > need to do their job. They
      > > >> lack the patience to figure things out, and more often than not come
      > to me or a manager to solve
      > > >> their issues. So, there ya go. I don't want to spend several months
      > trying to teach old dogs new
      > > >> tricks and then troubleshoot their problems. If there is a problem,
      > we can remotely log into their
      > > >> computer and fix an issue in real time. Something we can't easily do
      > with Linux. (When I was
      > > >> researching, you needed to know the ip address of your target, which
      > is impossible when the IP is
      > > >> randomly assigned by a cell phone carrier...)
      > > >
      > > > They���ll probably have to relearn when the next iteration of windows
      > gets installed anyway. For a basic usage, it might take some time to
      > understand a new OS, but just for simple usage that can not take that much
      > time. If there is no one able to fix the computers anyway, that means they
      > probably pay OS+support. It might cost less to form everyone to a new OS
      > and only pay support. But I���m digressing heavily.
      > > >
      > > > Anyway, I just wanted to write that I think that using GNU/Linux is
      > not hard to learn, compared to learning to use a computer or a new version
      > of Windows. And when things are not working, neither are simple to fix.
      > > >
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