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  • Andrew
    Hi, Ah, one of the goals I have. To get in SPROPS for all the RSRD and pathfinder items. We can go the route I did with spells - Full Description and Short
    Message 1 of 7 , Apr 4, 2013
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      Hi,

      Ah, one of the goals I have. To get in "SPROPS" for all the RSRD and pathfinder items.

      We can go the route I did with spells - Full Description and Short Description. With the toggle
      being a simple house rule.

      Cheers,

      On 4/3/2013 9:58 PM, otiendikil wrote:
      > Hi,
      >
      > I am interested in creating SPROPs for 'official' items but I am not sure what the best practices are.
      >
      > How long should they be? It would seem important not to put in too much information, making output sheets overlong. But, on the other hand, how would one scratch the surface in describing complex items like the Ring of Shooting Stars?
      >
      > What information should be put in? I was thinking that just information that isn't reflected in code, but when I put in descriptions for Ioun Stones, I just put in the individual descriptions whole regardless since they were so short.
      >
      > I know that this is a conversation that has been had before to a degree (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/108942), but a long and a short description might be useful so that the whole of an OGL entry could be put in for online viewing, if one wishes, but perhaps only 50 characters or so (especially with some abbreviations) would go on character sheets.
      >
      > Although I've read each lst file class, it seems that a new Doc might be generated summarizing best practices for SPROPs and other components of 'official' items. (Sorry if I missed it somewhere!)
      >
      > Thanks, Matt
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > Related Lists
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      > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
      > PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
      >
      >
      > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
      > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
      >
      > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
      > (for new official data source development)
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
      >


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    • otiendikil
      Hi Andrew, What would be a good length to aim for in the short description? 25 characters? 50? That length could be the SPROP for now (adding in the
      Message 2 of 7 , Apr 4, 2013
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        Hi Andrew,

        What would be a good length to aim for in the short description? 25 characters? 50? That length could be the SPROP for now (adding in the automatically generated ones). Then the new, longer SPROP could be added in, eventually, to be as much as the entire OGC description.

        Thanks, Matt

        --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi,
        >
        > Ah, one of the goals I have. To get in "SPROPS" for all the RSRD and pathfinder items.
        >
        > We can go the route I did with spells - Full Description and Short Description. With the toggle
        > being a simple house rule.
        >
        > Cheers,
        >
        > On 4/3/2013 9:58 PM, otiendikil wrote:
        > > Hi,
        > >
        > > I am interested in creating SPROPs for 'official' items but I am not sure what the best practices are.
        > >
        > > How long should they be? It would seem important not to put in too much information, making output sheets overlong. But, on the other hand, how would one scratch the surface in describing complex items like the Ring of Shooting Stars?
        > >
        > > What information should be put in? I was thinking that just information that isn't reflected in code, but when I put in descriptions for Ioun Stones, I just put in the individual descriptions whole regardless since they were so short.
        > >
        > > I know that this is a conversation that has been had before to a degree (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/108942), but a long and a short description might be useful so that the whole of an OGL entry could be put in for online viewing, if one wishes, but perhaps only 50 characters or so (especially with some abbreviations) would go on character sheets.
        > >
        > > Although I've read each lst file class, it seems that a new Doc might be generated summarizing best practices for SPROPs and other components of 'official' items. (Sorry if I missed it somewhere!)
        > >
        > > Thanks, Matt
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > > Related Lists
        > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
        > > PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
        > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
        > > PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
        > >
        > >
        > > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
        > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
        > >
        > > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
        > > (for new official data source development)
        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
        > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
        > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
        > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
        > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
      • otiendikil
        Edit: maybe I should have said 25 or 50 words...? I haven t been in a position to play so my practical use of print out features has been limited. ~~ Matt
        Message 3 of 7 , Apr 4, 2013
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          Edit: maybe I should have said 25 or 50 words...? I haven't been in a position to play so my practical use of print out features has been limited.

          ~~ Matt

          --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "otiendikil" <Otiendikil@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi Andrew,
          >
          > What would be a good length to aim for in the short description? 25 characters? 50? That length could be the SPROP for now (adding in the automatically generated ones). Then the new, longer SPROP could be added in, eventually, to be as much as the entire OGC description.
          >
          > Thanks, Matt
          >
          > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Hi,
          > >
          > > Ah, one of the goals I have. To get in "SPROPS" for all the RSRD and pathfinder items.
          > >
          > > We can go the route I did with spells - Full Description and Short Description. With the toggle
          > > being a simple house rule.
          > >
          > > Cheers,
          > >
          > > On 4/3/2013 9:58 PM, otiendikil wrote:
          > > > Hi,
          > > >
          > > > I am interested in creating SPROPs for 'official' items but I am not sure what the best practices are.
          > > >
          > > > How long should they be? It would seem important not to put in too much information, making output sheets overlong. But, on the other hand, how would one scratch the surface in describing complex items like the Ring of Shooting Stars?
          > > >
          > > > What information should be put in? I was thinking that just information that isn't reflected in code, but when I put in descriptions for Ioun Stones, I just put in the individual descriptions whole regardless since they were so short.
          > > >
          > > > I know that this is a conversation that has been had before to a degree (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/108942), but a long and a short description might be useful so that the whole of an OGL entry could be put in for online viewing, if one wishes, but perhaps only 50 characters or so (especially with some abbreviations) would go on character sheets.
          > > >
          > > > Although I've read each lst file class, it seems that a new Doc might be generated summarizing best practices for SPROPs and other components of 'official' items. (Sorry if I missed it somewhere!)
          > > >
          > > > Thanks, Matt
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ------------------------------------
          > > >
          > > > Related Lists
          > > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
          > > > PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
          > > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
          > > > PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
          > > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
          > > >
          > > > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
          > > > (for new official data source development)
          > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > > --
          > > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
          > > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
          > > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
          > > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
          > > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
          > >
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          >
        • Andrew
          Hi, I d test the Outputsheets and see what looks good, maybe try to limit to one or two lines? Cheers, ... -- Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing) Admin Silverback -
          Message 4 of 7 , Apr 4, 2013
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            Hi,

            I'd test the Outputsheets and see what looks good, maybe try to limit to one or two lines?

            Cheers,

            On 4/4/2013 8:53 AM, otiendikil wrote:
            > Hi Andrew,
            >
            > What would be a good length to aim for in the short description? 25 characters? 50? That length could be the SPROP for now (adding in the automatically generated ones). Then the new, longer SPROP could be added in, eventually, to be as much as the entire OGC description.
            >
            > Thanks, Matt
            >
            > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
            >> Hi,
            >>
            >> Ah, one of the goals I have. To get in "SPROPS" for all the RSRD and pathfinder items.
            >>
            >> We can go the route I did with spells - Full Description and Short Description. With the toggle
            >> being a simple house rule.
            >>
            >> Cheers,
            >>
            >> On 4/3/2013 9:58 PM, otiendikil wrote:
            >>> Hi,
            >>>
            >>> I am interested in creating SPROPs for 'official' items but I am not sure what the best practices are.
            >>>
            >>> How long should they be? It would seem important not to put in too much information, making output sheets overlong. But, on the other hand, how would one scratch the surface in describing complex items like the Ring of Shooting Stars?
            >>>
            >>> What information should be put in? I was thinking that just information that isn't reflected in code, but when I put in descriptions for Ioun Stones, I just put in the individual descriptions whole regardless since they were so short.
            >>>
            >>> I know that this is a conversation that has been had before to a degree (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/108942), but a long and a short description might be useful so that the whole of an OGL entry could be put in for online viewing, if one wishes, but perhaps only 50 characters or so (especially with some abbreviations) would go on character sheets.
            >>>
            >>> Although I've read each lst file class, it seems that a new Doc might be generated summarizing best practices for SPROPs and other components of 'official' items. (Sorry if I missed it somewhere!)
            >>>
            >>> Thanks, Matt
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> ------------------------------------
            >>>
            >>> Related Lists
            >>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
            >>> PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
            >>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
            >>> PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
            >>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
            >>>
            >>> PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
            >>> (for new official data source development)
            >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >> --
            >> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
            >> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
            >> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
            >> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
            >> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
            >>
            >>
            >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >>
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > Related Lists
            > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
            > PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
            > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
            > PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
            >
            >
            > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
            > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
            >
            > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
            > (for new official data source development)
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >


            --
            Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
            Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
            Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
            Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
            Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"


            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • otiendikil
            One or two lines sounds good.
            Message 5 of 7 , Apr 4, 2013
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              One or two lines sounds good.

              --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi,
              >
              > I'd test the Outputsheets and see what looks good, maybe try to limit to one or two lines?
              >
              > Cheers,
              >
              > On 4/4/2013 8:53 AM, otiendikil wrote:
              > > Hi Andrew,
              > >
              > > What would be a good length to aim for in the short description? 25 characters? 50? That length could be the SPROP for now (adding in the automatically generated ones). Then the new, longer SPROP could be added in, eventually, to be as much as the entire OGC description.
              > >
              > > Thanks, Matt
              > >
              > > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
              > >> Hi,
              > >>
              > >> Ah, one of the goals I have. To get in "SPROPS" for all the RSRD and pathfinder items.
              > >>
              > >> We can go the route I did with spells - Full Description and Short Description. With the toggle
              > >> being a simple house rule.
              > >>
              > >> Cheers,
              > >>
              > >> On 4/3/2013 9:58 PM, otiendikil wrote:
              > >>> Hi,
              > >>>
              > >>> I am interested in creating SPROPs for 'official' items but I am not sure what the best practices are.
              > >>>
              > >>> How long should they be? It would seem important not to put in too much information, making output sheets overlong. But, on the other hand, how would one scratch the surface in describing complex items like the Ring of Shooting Stars?
              > >>>
              > >>> What information should be put in? I was thinking that just information that isn't reflected in code, but when I put in descriptions for Ioun Stones, I just put in the individual descriptions whole regardless since they were so short.
              > >>>
              > >>> I know that this is a conversation that has been had before to a degree (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/108942), but a long and a short description might be useful so that the whole of an OGL entry could be put in for online viewing, if one wishes, but perhaps only 50 characters or so (especially with some abbreviations) would go on character sheets.
              > >>>
              > >>> Although I've read each lst file class, it seems that a new Doc might be generated summarizing best practices for SPROPs and other components of 'official' items. (Sorry if I missed it somewhere!)
              > >>>
              > >>> Thanks, Matt
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >>> ------------------------------------
              > >>>
              > >>> Related Lists
              > >>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
              > >>> PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
              > >>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
              > >>> PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >>> PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
              > >>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
              > >>>
              > >>> PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
              > >>> (for new official data source development)
              > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >> --
              > >> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
              > >> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
              > >> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
              > >> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
              > >> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >>
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
              > >
              > > Related Lists
              > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
              > > PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
              > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
              > > PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
              > >
              > >
              > > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
              > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
              > >
              > > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
              > > (for new official data source development)
              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              > --
              > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
              > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
              > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
              > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
              > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
            • otiendikil
              Hi, FWIW, I found that on the standard fantasy character sheets two lines is just over 120 characters (with spaces), so that might be a good standard. ~~ Matt
              Message 6 of 7 , Apr 6, 2013
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                Hi,

                FWIW, I found that on the standard fantasy character sheets two lines is just over 120 characters (with spaces), so that might be a good standard.

                ~~ Matt


                --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "otiendikil" <Otiendikil@...> wrote:
                >
                > One or two lines sounds good.
                >
                > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Hi,
                > >
                > > I'd test the Outputsheets and see what looks good, maybe try to limit to one or two lines?
                > >
                > > Cheers,
                > >
                > > On 4/4/2013 8:53 AM, otiendikil wrote:
                > > > Hi Andrew,
                > > >
                > > > What would be a good length to aim for in the short description? 25 characters? 50? That length could be the SPROP for now (adding in the automatically generated ones). Then the new, longer SPROP could be added in, eventually, to be as much as the entire OGC description.
                > > >
                > > > Thanks, Matt
                > > >
                > > > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
                > > >> Hi,
                > > >>
                > > >> Ah, one of the goals I have. To get in "SPROPS" for all the RSRD and pathfinder items.
                > > >>
                > > >> We can go the route I did with spells - Full Description and Short Description. With the toggle
                > > >> being a simple house rule.
                > > >>
                > > >> Cheers,
                > > >>
                > > >> On 4/3/2013 9:58 PM, otiendikil wrote:
                > > >>> Hi,
                > > >>>
                > > >>> I am interested in creating SPROPs for 'official' items but I am not sure what the best practices are.
                > > >>>
                > > >>> How long should they be? It would seem important not to put in too much information, making output sheets overlong. But, on the other hand, how would one scratch the surface in describing complex items like the Ring of Shooting Stars?
                > > >>>
                > > >>> What information should be put in? I was thinking that just information that isn't reflected in code, but when I put in descriptions for Ioun Stones, I just put in the individual descriptions whole regardless since they were so short.
                > > >>>
                > > >>> I know that this is a conversation that has been had before to a degree (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/108942), but a long and a short description might be useful so that the whole of an OGL entry could be put in for online viewing, if one wishes, but perhaps only 50 characters or so (especially with some abbreviations) would go on character sheets.
                > > >>>
                > > >>> Although I've read each lst file class, it seems that a new Doc might be generated summarizing best practices for SPROPs and other components of 'official' items. (Sorry if I missed it somewhere!)
                > > >>>
                > > >>> Thanks, Matt
                > > >>>
                > > >>>
                > > >>>
                > > >>> ------------------------------------
                > > >>>
                > > >>> Related Lists
                > > >>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                > > >>> PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
                > > >>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                > > >>> PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
                > > >>>
                > > >>>
                > > >>> PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                > > >>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                > > >>>
                > > >>> PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                > > >>> (for new official data source development)
                > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > >>>
                > > >>>
                > > >>>
                > > >>>
                > > >> --
                > > >> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
                > > >> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                > > >> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
                > > >> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
                > > >> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
                > > >>
                > > >>
                > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > >>
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ------------------------------------
                > > >
                > > > Related Lists
                > > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                > > > PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
                > > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                > > > PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                > > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                > > >
                > > > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                > > > (for new official data source development)
                > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > > --
                > > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
                > > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                > > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
                > > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
                > > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                >
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