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Enabling Campaign Traits from APG

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  • Niilo
    Hello, I ve got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player s Guide and a bunch of other PF sources loaded. I ve noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
    Message 1 of 26 , Jun 6, 2011
      Hello,

      I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?

      Thanks.

      - Niilo
    • Andrew
      Hi, Remove the No Campaign Trait and then select the campaign trait you want. ... -- Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing) Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
      Message 2 of 26 , Jun 6, 2011
        Hi,

        Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you want.


        On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
        > Hello,
        >
        > I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
        >
        > Thanks.
        >
        > - Niilo
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
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      • swiftbrook8
        PCGen v.5.16.4 Pathfinder OOC 6 data APG, & Pathfinder RPG loaded Feats & Abilities -- Traits Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2 Left
        Message 3 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
          PCGen v.5.16.4
          Pathfinder
          OOC 6 data
          APG, & Pathfinder RPG loaded

          Feats & Abilities --> Traits
          Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
          Left side window expand
          Campaign Trait
          -> No Campaign Traits
          Trait
          -> No Campaign Traits

          There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this only work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?

          -Swiftbrook

          --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi,
          >
          > Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you want.
          >
          >
          > On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
          > > Hello,
          > >
          > > I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
          > >
          > > Thanks.
          > >
          > > - Niilo
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
          > >
          > > Related Lists
          > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
          > > PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
          > > PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
          > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
          > > PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
          > > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs: http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
          > >
          > > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
          > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
          > >
          > > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
          > > (for new official data source development)
          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          > --
          > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
          > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
          > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
          > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
          > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
        • Andrew Wilson
          You ve already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason, you re doing something else. Please follow these instructions and let us know if it s
          Message 4 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
            You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
            you're doing something else. Please follow these instructions and
            let us know if it's still not working for you.

            The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
            does nothing and costs 2 traits. It's allocated to each new character
            by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are optional)
            the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
            2 traits. In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
            "No Campaign Traits" place holder.

            If you double click on the "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
            Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window. You
            should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.

            andrew

            On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:

            > PCGen v.5.16.4
            > Pathfinder
            > OOC 6 data
            > APG, & Pathfinder RPG loaded
            >
            > Feats & Abilities --> Traits
            > Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
            > Left side window expand
            > Campaign Trait
            > -> No Campaign Traits
            > Trait
            > -> No Campaign Traits
            >
            > There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this only
            > work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?
            >
            > -Swiftbrook
            >
            > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > Hi,
            > >
            > > Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
            > want.
            > >
            > >
            > > On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
            > > > Hello,
            > > >
            > > > I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch
            > of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
            > file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I
            > cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to
            > show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
            > > >
            > > > Thanks.
            > > >
            > > > - Niilo
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ------------------------------------
            > > >
            > > > Related Lists
            > > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
            > > > PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
            > > > PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
            > > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
            > > > PCGen's Online Docs:
            > http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
            > > > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
            > http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
            > > >
            > > > PCGen List File Help:
            > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
            > > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
            > > >
            > > > PCGen Experimental:
            > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
            > > > (for new official data source development)
            > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > > --
            > > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
            > > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
            > > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
            > > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
            > > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
            > >
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > Related Lists
            > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
            > PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
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            > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
            > PCGen's Online Docs:
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            > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
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            >
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            >
            >
            >


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          • James Dempsey
            Hi Swiftbrook and Niilo, This should work in 5.16.4 with the latest OOC data installed. If you still have troubles it might be best to post an image of the
            Message 5 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
              Hi Swiftbrook and Niilo,

              This should work in 5.16.4 with the latest OOC data installed.

              If you still have troubles it might be best to post an image of the
              screen you see to the "need help with" folder in the group. It is
              possible there is some confusion on which lists are being discussed.

              Cheers,
              James Dempsey
              PCGen Code SB

              On 8 June 2011 09:03, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
              > PCGen v.5.16.4
              > Pathfinder
              > OOC 6 data
              > APG, & Pathfinder RPG loaded
              >
              > Feats & Abilities --> Traits
              > Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
              > Left side window expand
              > Campaign Trait
              > -> No Campaign Traits
              > Trait
              > -> No Campaign Traits
              >
              > There are no campaign traits listed.  I can't find them.  Does this only work in 5.17?  Am I doing something wrong?
              >
              > -Swiftbrook
              >
              > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
              >>
              >> Hi,
              >>
              >> Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you want.
              >>
              >>
              >> On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
              >> > Hello,
              >> >
              >> > I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
              >> >
              >> > Thanks.
              >> >
              >> >    - Niilo
            • swiftbrook8
              Andrew & James, I m sorry I seem to have upset you. I have too much respect for all you do to not listen. I ve tried this before and failed. I can get the
              Message 6 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                Andrew & James,

                I'm sorry I seem to have upset you. I have too much respect for all you do to not listen. I've tried this before and failed.

                I can get the basic traits working no problem. I've even created some traits in the past and found bugs. I can't get "Campaign Traits", specifically Favored Son/Daughter, Black Sheep and Outlander (or their benefits Ameiko Kaijitsu, Belor Hemlock, etc) from the Pathfinder APG to show up. I have all the rest of the standard traits, just not the Campaign Traits.

                Screen shot has been uploaded to the files section.

                Again, thank you for any help you can provide. If I'm overlooking the obvious, I apologize.

                -Swiftbrook

                --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wilson <andrew@...> wrote:
                >
                > You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
                > you're doing something else. Please follow these instructions and
                > let us know if it's still not working for you.
                >
                > The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
                > does nothing and costs 2 traits. It's allocated to each new character
                > by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are optional)
                > the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
                > 2 traits. In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
                > "No Campaign Traits" place holder.
                >
                > If you double click on the "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
                > Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window. You
                > should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.
                >
                > andrew
                >
                > On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                >
                > > PCGen v.5.16.4
                > > Pathfinder
                > > OOC 6 data
                > > APG, & Pathfinder RPG loaded
                > >
                > > Feats & Abilities --> Traits
                > > Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
                > > Left side window expand
                > > Campaign Trait
                > > -> No Campaign Traits
                > > Trait
                > > -> No Campaign Traits
                > >
                > > There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this only
                > > work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?
                > >
                > > -Swiftbrook
                > >
                > > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Hi,
                > > >
                > > > Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
                > > want.
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
                > > > > Hello,
                > > > >
                > > > > I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch
                > > of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
                > > file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I
                > > cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to
                > > show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
                > > > >
                > > > > Thanks.
                > > > >
                > > > > - Niilo
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ------------------------------------
                > > > >
                > > > > Related Lists
                > > > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                > > > > PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                > > > > PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                > > > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                > > > > PCGen's Online Docs:
                > > http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                > > > > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                > > http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                > > > >
                > > > > PCGen List File Help:
                > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                > > > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                > > > >
                > > > > PCGen Experimental:
                > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                > > > > (for new official data source development)
                > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > > --
                > > > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
                > > > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                > > > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
                > > > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
                > > > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Related Lists
                > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                > > PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                > > PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                > > PCGen's Online Docs:
                > > http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                > > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                > > http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                > >
                > > PCGen List File Help:
                > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                > >
                > > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                > > (for new official data source development)
                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
              • James Dempsey
                Hi Swiftbrook, You definitely didn t offend me, :) I just saw that there was a misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for uploading it.
                Message 7 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                  Hi Swiftbrook,

                  You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                  misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                  uploading it.

                  Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                  traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?

                  Swiftbrook, is any other expected data missing? i.e. Do you have the
                  APG classes present?

                  Cheers,
                  James Dempsey
                  PCGen Code SB



                  On 8 June 2011 10:14, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                  > Andrew & James,
                  >
                  > I'm sorry I seem to have upset you.  I have too much respect for all you do to not listen.  I've tried this before and failed.
                  >
                  > I can get the basic traits working no problem.  I've even created some traits in the past and found bugs.  I can't get "Campaign Traits", specifically Favored Son/Daughter, Black Sheep and Outlander (or their benefits Ameiko Kaijitsu, Belor Hemlock, etc) from the Pathfinder APG to show up.  I have all the rest of the standard traits, just not the Campaign Traits.
                  >
                  > Screen shot has been uploaded to the files section.
                  >
                  > Again, thank you for any help you can provide.  If I'm overlooking the obvious, I apologize.
                  >
                  > -Swiftbrook
                  >
                  > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wilson <andrew@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
                  >> you're doing something else.  Please follow these instructions and
                  >> let us know if it's still not working for you.
                  >>
                  >> The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
                  >> does nothing and costs 2 traits.  It's allocated to each new character
                  >> by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are optional)
                  >> the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
                  >> 2 traits.  In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
                  >> "No Campaign Traits" place holder.
                  >>
                  >> If you double click on the  "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
                  >> Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window.  You
                  >> should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.
                  >>
                  >> andrew
                  >>
                  >> On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> > PCGen v.5.16.4
                  >> > Pathfinder
                  >> > OOC 6 data
                  >> > APG, & Pathfinder RPG loaded
                  >> >
                  >> > Feats & Abilities --> Traits
                  >> > Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
                  >> > Left side window expand
                  >> > Campaign Trait
                  >> > -> No Campaign Traits
                  >> > Trait
                  >> > -> No Campaign Traits
                  >> >
                  >> > There are no campaign traits listed.  I can't find them.  Does this only
                  >> > work in 5.17?  Am I doing something wrong?
                  >> >
                  >> > -Swiftbrook
                  >> >
                  >> > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
                  >> > >
                  >> > > Hi,
                  >> > >
                  >> > > Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
                  >> > want.
                  >> > >
                  >> > >
                  >> > > On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
                  >> > > > Hello,
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch
                  >> > of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
                  >> > file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I
                  >> > cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to
                  >> > show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > Thanks.
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > >    - Niilo
                • David R. Bender
                  Are you using the basic or advanced screen to select datasets to be loaded? (sorry, have not been following this thread) -- david Papa.DRB My better half and
                  Message 8 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                    Are you using the basic or advanced screen to select datasets to be
                    loaded? (sorry, have not been following this thread)

                    -- david
                    Papa.DRB

                    My better half and me (jpg)
                    <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                    Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                    <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>

                    Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                    For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                    believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)

                    On 6/7/2011 8:14 PM, swiftbrook8 wrote:
                    > Andrew& James,
                    >
                    > I'm sorry I seem to have upset you. I have too much respect for all you do to not listen. I've tried this before and failed.
                    >
                    > I can get the basic traits working no problem. I've even created some traits in the past and found bugs. I can't get "Campaign Traits", specifically Favored Son/Daughter, Black Sheep and Outlander (or their benefits Ameiko Kaijitsu, Belor Hemlock, etc) from the Pathfinder APG to show up. I have all the rest of the standard traits, just not the Campaign Traits.
                    >
                    > Screen shot has been uploaded to the files section.
                    >
                    > Again, thank you for any help you can provide. If I'm overlooking the obvious, I apologize.
                    >
                    > -Swiftbrook
                    >
                    > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wilson<andrew@...> wrote:
                    >> You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
                    >> you're doing something else. Please follow these instructions and
                    >> let us know if it's still not working for you.
                    >>
                    >> The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
                    >> does nothing and costs 2 traits. It's allocated to each new character
                    >> by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are optional)
                    >> the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
                    >> 2 traits. In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
                    >> "No Campaign Traits" place holder.
                    >>
                    >> If you double click on the "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
                    >> Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window. You
                    >> should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.
                    >>
                    >> andrew
                    >>
                    >> On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                    >>
                    >>> PCGen v.5.16.4
                    >>> Pathfinder
                    >>> OOC 6 data
                    >>> APG,& Pathfinder RPG loaded
                    >>>
                    >>> Feats& Abilities --> Traits
                    >>> Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
                    >>> Left side window expand
                    >>> Campaign Trait
                    >>> -> No Campaign Traits
                    >>> Trait
                    >>> -> No Campaign Traits
                    >>>
                    >>> There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this only
                    >>> work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?
                    >>>
                    >>> -Swiftbrook
                    >>>
                    >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew<drew0500@> wrote:
                    >>>> Hi,
                    >>>>
                    >>>> Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
                    >>> want.
                    >>>>
                    >>>> On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
                    >>>>> Hello,
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch
                    >>> of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
                    >>> file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I
                    >>> cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to
                    >>> show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
                    >>>>> Thanks.
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> - Niilo
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> ------------------------------------
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> Related Lists
                    >>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                    >>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                    >>>>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                    >>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
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                  • David R. Bender
                    ie. show a screen shot of the source materials tab/page. -- david Papa.DRB My better half and me (jpg)
                    Message 9 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                      ie. show a screen shot of the source materials tab/page.

                      -- david
                      Papa.DRB

                      My better half and me (jpg)
                      <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                      Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                      <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>

                      Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                      For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                      believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)

                      On 6/7/2011 8:14 PM, swiftbrook8 wrote:
                      > Andrew& James,
                      >
                      > I'm sorry I seem to have upset you. I have too much respect for all you do to not listen. I've tried this before and failed.
                      >
                      > I can get the basic traits working no problem. I've even created some traits in the past and found bugs. I can't get "Campaign Traits", specifically Favored Son/Daughter, Black Sheep and Outlander (or their benefits Ameiko Kaijitsu, Belor Hemlock, etc) from the Pathfinder APG to show up. I have all the rest of the standard traits, just not the Campaign Traits.
                      >
                      > Screen shot has been uploaded to the files section.
                      >
                      > Again, thank you for any help you can provide. If I'm overlooking the obvious, I apologize.
                      >
                      > -Swiftbrook
                      >
                      > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wilson<andrew@...> wrote:
                      >> You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
                      >> you're doing something else. Please follow these instructions and
                      >> let us know if it's still not working for you.
                      >>
                      >> The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
                      >> does nothing and costs 2 traits. It's allocated to each new character
                      >> by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are optional)
                      >> the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
                      >> 2 traits. In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
                      >> "No Campaign Traits" place holder.
                      >>
                      >> If you double click on the "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
                      >> Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window. You
                      >> should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.
                      >>
                      >> andrew
                      >>
                      >> On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >>> PCGen v.5.16.4
                      >>> Pathfinder
                      >>> OOC 6 data
                      >>> APG,& Pathfinder RPG loaded
                      >>>
                      >>> Feats& Abilities --> Traits
                      >>> Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
                      >>> Left side window expand
                      >>> Campaign Trait
                      >>> -> No Campaign Traits
                      >>> Trait
                      >>> -> No Campaign Traits
                      >>>
                      >>> There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this only
                      >>> work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?
                      >>>
                      >>> -Swiftbrook
                      >>>
                      >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew<drew0500@> wrote:
                      >>>> Hi,
                      >>>>
                      >>>> Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
                      >>> want.
                      >>>>
                      >>>> On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
                      >>>>> Hello,
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch
                      >>> of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
                      >>> file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I
                      >>> cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to
                      >>> show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
                      >>>>> Thanks.
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> - Niilo
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> ------------------------------------
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> Related Lists
                      >>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                      >>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
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                      >>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                      >>>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                      >>> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                      >>>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                      >>> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
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                      >>>> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
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                      >>>> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
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                      >>>>
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                    • papa_drb
                      They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits,
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                        They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits, is why I presume.

                        Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change it. The file is: @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst, and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a personal ability file.

                        -- david
                        Papa.DRB

                        --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey <jdempsey@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi Swiftbrook,
                        >
                        > You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                        > misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                        > uploading it.
                        >
                        > Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                        > traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                      • swiftbrook8
                        @ David ... Advanced screen I ve uploaded two more shots. Pathfinder sources and the basic traits that I have used in the past that work. Again, I can use the
                        Message 11 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                          @ David ... Advanced screen

                          I've uploaded two more shots. Pathfinder sources and the basic traits that I have used in the past that work.

                          Again, I can use the basic traits, just not the Campaign Traits.

                          Do I need to select a 'Campaign' somewhere to use the Campaign Traits?

                          -Swiftbrook

                          --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Bender" <Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Are you using the basic or advanced screen to select datasets to be
                          > loaded? (sorry, have not been following this thread)
                          >
                          > -- david
                          > Papa.DRB
                          >
                          > My better half and me (jpg)
                          > <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                          > Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                          > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                          >
                          > Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                          > For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                          > believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                          >
                          > On 6/7/2011 8:14 PM, swiftbrook8 wrote:
                          > > Andrew& James,
                          > >
                          > > I'm sorry I seem to have upset you. I have too much respect for all you do to not listen. I've tried this before and failed.
                          > >
                          > > I can get the basic traits working no problem. I've even created some traits in the past and found bugs. I can't get "Campaign Traits", specifically Favored Son/Daughter, Black Sheep and Outlander (or their benefits Ameiko Kaijitsu, Belor Hemlock, etc) from the Pathfinder APG to show up. I have all the rest of the standard traits, just not the Campaign Traits.
                          > >
                          > > Screen shot has been uploaded to the files section.
                          > >
                          > > Again, thank you for any help you can provide. If I'm overlooking the obvious, I apologize.
                          > >
                          > > -Swiftbrook
                          > >
                          > > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wilson<andrew@> wrote:
                          > >> You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
                          > >> you're doing something else. Please follow these instructions and
                          > >> let us know if it's still not working for you.
                          > >>
                          > >> The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
                          > >> does nothing and costs 2 traits. It's allocated to each new character
                          > >> by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are optional)
                          > >> the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
                          > >> 2 traits. In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
                          > >> "No Campaign Traits" place holder.
                          > >>
                          > >> If you double click on the "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
                          > >> Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window. You
                          > >> should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.
                          > >>
                          > >> andrew
                          > >>
                          > >> On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@> wrote:
                          > >>
                          > >>> PCGen v.5.16.4
                          > >>> Pathfinder
                          > >>> OOC 6 data
                          > >>> APG,& Pathfinder RPG loaded
                          > >>>
                          > >>> Feats& Abilities --> Traits
                          > >>> Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
                          > >>> Left side window expand
                          > >>> Campaign Trait
                          > >>> -> No Campaign Traits
                          > >>> Trait
                          > >>> -> No Campaign Traits
                          > >>>
                          > >>> There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this only
                          > >>> work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?
                          > >>>
                          > >>> -Swiftbrook
                          > >>>
                          > >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew<drew0500@> wrote:
                          > >>>> Hi,
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>> Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
                          > >>> want.
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>> On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
                          > >>>>> Hello,
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>> I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch
                          > >>> of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
                          > >>> file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I
                          > >>> cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to
                          > >>> show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
                          > >>>>> Thanks.
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>> - Niilo
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>> ------------------------------------
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>> Related Lists
                          > >>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                          > >>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                          > >>>>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                          > >>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                          > >>>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                          > >>> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                          > >>>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                          > >>> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                          > >>>>> PCGen List File Help:
                          > >>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                          > >>>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                          > >>>>>
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                          > >>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                          > >>>>> (for new official data source development)
                          > >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>>>
                          > >>>> --
                          > >>>> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
                          > >>>> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                          > >>>> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
                          > >>>> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
                          > >>>> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>
                          > >>>
                          > >>>
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                          > >>>
                          > >>> Related Lists
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                          > >>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                          > >>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                          > >>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                          > >>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                          > >>> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                          > >>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                          > >>> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                          > >>>
                          > >>> PCGen List File Help:
                          > >>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                          > >>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
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                          > >>> (for new official data source development)
                          > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >>>
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                          > >>
                          > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > > Related Lists
                          > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                          > > PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                          > > PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                          > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                          > > PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                          > > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs: http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                          > >
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                          > > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                          > >
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                          > > (for new official data source development)
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                        • David R. Bender
                          Yea, see my note about CampaignTrait vs SampleCampaignTrait . With what you have loaded that is what is occurring. -- david Papa.DRB My better half and me
                          Message 12 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                            Yea, see my note about "CampaignTrait" vs "SampleCampaignTrait". With
                            what you have loaded that is what is occurring.

                            -- david
                            Papa.DRB

                            My better half and me (jpg)
                            <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                            Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                            <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>

                            Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                            For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                            believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)

                            On 6/7/2011 8:40 PM, swiftbrook8 wrote:
                            > @ David ... Advanced screen
                            >
                            > I've uploaded two more shots. Pathfinder sources and the basic traits that I have used in the past that work.
                            >
                            > Again, I can use the basic traits, just not the Campaign Traits.
                            >
                            > Do I need to select a 'Campaign' somewhere to use the Campaign Traits?
                            >
                            > -Swiftbrook
                            >
                            > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Bender"<Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
                            >> Are you using the basic or advanced screen to select datasets to be
                            >> loaded? (sorry, have not been following this thread)
                            >>
                            >> -- david
                            >> Papa.DRB
                            >>
                            >> My better half and me (jpg)
                            >> <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                            >> Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                            >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                            >>
                            >> Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                            >> For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                            >> believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                            >>
                            >> On 6/7/2011 8:14 PM, swiftbrook8 wrote:
                            >>> Andrew& James,
                            >>>
                            >>> I'm sorry I seem to have upset you. I have too much respect for all you do to not listen. I've tried this before and failed.
                            >>>
                            >>> I can get the basic traits working no problem. I've even created some traits in the past and found bugs. I can't get "Campaign Traits", specifically Favored Son/Daughter, Black Sheep and Outlander (or their benefits Ameiko Kaijitsu, Belor Hemlock, etc) from the Pathfinder APG to show up. I have all the rest of the standard traits, just not the Campaign Traits.
                            >>>
                            >>> Screen shot has been uploaded to the files section.
                            >>>
                            >>> Again, thank you for any help you can provide. If I'm overlooking the obvious, I apologize.
                            >>>
                            >>> -Swiftbrook
                            >>>
                            >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wilson<andrew@> wrote:
                            >>>> You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
                            >>>> you're doing something else. Please follow these instructions and
                            >>>> let us know if it's still not working for you.
                            >>>>
                            >>>> The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
                            >>>> does nothing and costs 2 traits. It's allocated to each new character
                            >>>> by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are optional)
                            >>>> the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
                            >>>> 2 traits. In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
                            >>>> "No Campaign Traits" place holder.
                            >>>>
                            >>>> If you double click on the "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
                            >>>> Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window. You
                            >>>> should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.
                            >>>>
                            >>>> andrew
                            >>>>
                            >>>> On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@> wrote:
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> PCGen v.5.16.4
                            >>>>> Pathfinder
                            >>>>> OOC 6 data
                            >>>>> APG,& Pathfinder RPG loaded
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Feats& Abilities --> Traits
                            >>>>> Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
                            >>>>> Left side window expand
                            >>>>> Campaign Trait
                            >>>>> -> No Campaign Traits
                            >>>>> Trait
                            >>>>> -> No Campaign Traits
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this only
                            >>>>> work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> -Swiftbrook
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew<drew0500@> wrote:
                            >>>>>> Hi,
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
                            >>>>> want.
                            >>>>>> On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
                            >>>>>>> Hello,
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a bunch
                            >>>>> of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
                            >>>>> file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG, but I
                            >>>>> cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands to
                            >>>>> show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
                            >>>>>>> Thanks.
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> - Niilo
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> ------------------------------------
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> Related Lists
                            >>>>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                            >>>>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                            >>>>>>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                            >>>>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                            >>>>>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                            >>>>> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                            >>>>>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
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                          • swiftbrook8
                            Bingo! Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them. Now to test if they actually work. Thanks! -Swiftbrook
                            Message 13 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                              Bingo!

                              Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.

                              Now to test if they actually work.

                              Thanks!

                              -Swiftbrook

                              --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb" <Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                              >
                              > Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change it. The file is: @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst, and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a personal ability file.
                              >
                              > -- david
                              > Papa.DRB
                              >
                              > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey <jdempsey@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Hi Swiftbrook,
                              > >
                              > > You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                              > > misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                              > > uploading it.
                              > >
                              > > Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                              > > traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                              >
                            • Andrew Wilson
                              Right, sorry if I m coming across as all grumpy. Your problem was not the one I assumed it was. I see that David has helped you get it sorted. Hopefully
                              Message 14 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                                Right, sorry if I'm coming across as all grumpy. Your problem was not
                                the one I assumed it was. I see that David has helped you get it sorted.

                                Hopefully you've got what you need.

                                andrew

                                On 8 June 2011 01:14, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:

                                > Andrew & James,
                                >
                                > I'm sorry I seem to have upset you. I have too much respect for all you do
                                > to not listen. I've tried this before and failed.
                                >
                                > I can get the basic traits working no problem. I've even created some
                                > traits in the past and found bugs. I can't get "Campaign Traits",
                                > specifically Favored Son/Daughter, Black Sheep and Outlander (or their
                                > benefits Ameiko Kaijitsu, Belor Hemlock, etc) from the Pathfinder APG to
                                > show up. I have all the rest of the standard traits, just not the Campaign
                                > Traits.
                                >
                                > Screen shot has been uploaded to the files section.
                                >
                                > Again, thank you for any help you can provide. If I'm overlooking the
                                > obvious, I apologize.
                                >
                                > -Swiftbrook
                                >
                                > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wilson <andrew@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > You've already been told how to deal with this, but for some reason,
                                > > you're doing something else. Please follow these instructions and
                                > > let us know if it's still not working for you.
                                > >
                                > > The "No Campaign Traits" that you're seeing is a special trait that
                                > > does nothing and costs 2 traits. It's allocated to each new character
                                > > by default so that if you don't want to use traits (and they are
                                > optional)
                                > > the things to do list won't mention them because you already have
                                > > 2 traits. In order to add more traits, you need to first remove the
                                > > "No Campaign Traits" place holder.
                                > >
                                > > If you double click on the "No Campaign Traits" entry it will go away.
                                > > Now single click on the Trait heading on the right hand window. You
                                > > should then be able to select 2 traits from those loaded.
                                > >
                                > > andrew
                                > >
                                > > On 8 June 2011 00:03, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > > PCGen v.5.16.4
                                > > > Pathfinder
                                > > > OOC 6 data
                                > > > APG, & Pathfinder RPG loaded
                                > > >
                                > > > Feats & Abilities --> Traits
                                > > > Bottom Right, change to Campaign Traits, change number to 2
                                > > > Left side window expand
                                > > > Campaign Trait
                                > > > -> No Campaign Traits
                                > > > Trait
                                > > > -> No Campaign Traits
                                > > >
                                > > > There are no campaign traits listed. I can't find them. Does this
                                > only
                                > > > work in 5.17? Am I doing something wrong?
                                > > >
                                > > > -Swiftbrook
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Hi,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Remove the "No Campaign Trait" and then select the campaign trait you
                                > > > want.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > On 6/6/2011 9:36 PM, Niilo wrote:
                                > > > > > Hello,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I've got 5.17.7 with the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide and a
                                > bunch
                                > > > of other PF sources loaded. I've noticed that the
                                > pfapg_abilities_traits.lst
                                > > > file contains the campaign traits listed on page 330/331 of the APG,
                                > but I
                                > > > cannot get them to show up in PCGen. The Campaign Trait section expands
                                > to
                                > > > show simply "No Campaign Trait". Am I missing something in the UI?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > - Niilo
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
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                              • James Dempsey
                                Hi David, If one didn t want to change LST files, could you just select the sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1? Cheers, James
                                Message 15 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                                  Hi David,

                                  If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                  sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?

                                  Cheers,
                                  James Dempsey
                                  PCGen Code SB


                                  On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                  > Bingo!
                                  >
                                  > Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                  >
                                  > Now to test if they actually work.
                                  >
                                  > Thanks!
                                  >
                                  > -Swiftbrook
                                  >
                                  > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb" <Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                  >>
                                  >> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change it. The file is: @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst, and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a personal ability file.
                                  >>
                                  >> -- david
                                  >> Papa.DRB
                                  >>
                                  >> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey <jdempsey@> wrote:
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Hi Swiftbrook,
                                  >> >
                                  >> > You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                  >> > misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                  >> > uploading it.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                                  >> > traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                  >>
                                • David R. Bender
                                  Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don t have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine, so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst data file to
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                                    Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don't have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine,
                                    so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst
                                    data file to figure out what was going on. Is "SampleCampaignTrait" in
                                    the drop-down? If yes, then I believe it should work. It will add a new
                                    ability pool based on which one of the samples you take, then you get to
                                    select the "actual" sample campaign trait.

                                    Since these are samples, I would rather, in the future, just have the
                                    person load the appropriate AP players guide to pick up the traits.
                                    Either that or convince Drew or Barak to remove "sample" from these in
                                    the repository.

                                    -- david
                                    Papa.DRB

                                    My better half and me (jpg)
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                                    For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                                    believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)

                                    On 6/7/2011 9:58 PM, James Dempsey wrote:
                                    > Hi David,
                                    >
                                    > If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                    > sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?
                                    >
                                    > Cheers,
                                    > James Dempsey
                                    > PCGen Code SB
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                    >> Bingo!
                                    >>
                                    >> Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                    >>
                                    >> Now to test if they actually work.
                                    >>
                                    >> Thanks!
                                    >>
                                    >> -Swiftbrook
                                    >>
                                    >> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb"<Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
                                    >>> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change it. The file is: @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst, and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a personal ability file.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> -- david
                                    >>> Papa.DRB
                                    >>>
                                    >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey<jdempsey@> wrote:
                                    >>>> Hi Swiftbrook,
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                    >>>> misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                    >>>> uploading it.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                                    >>>> traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                    >
                                    > ------------------------------------
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                                  • Andrew
                                    Hi, Just got up from a lengthy nap - feeling under the weather... so what is the actual issue problem that needs to be fixed? I know Stefan really didn t want
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Jun 7, 2011
                                      Hi,

                                      Just got up from a lengthy nap - feeling under the weather... so what is the actual issue problem
                                      that needs to be fixed?

                                      I know Stefan really didn't want the samples in there, Barak hasn't messed with the APG, and all I
                                      care about it the examples actually do work if people want to use it.

                                      Enabling the samples is actually easier than first glance though BTW - You just have to add the
                                      proper type to the ABILITYCATEGORY, no need to change all the unique abilities themselves.



                                      On 6/7/2011 7:18 PM, David R. Bender wrote:
                                      > Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don't have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine,
                                      > so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst
                                      > data file to figure out what was going on. Is "SampleCampaignTrait" in
                                      > the drop-down? If yes, then I believe it should work. It will add a new
                                      > ability pool based on which one of the samples you take, then you get to
                                      > select the "actual" sample campaign trait.
                                      >
                                      > Since these are samples, I would rather, in the future, just have the
                                      > person load the appropriate AP players guide to pick up the traits.
                                      > Either that or convince Drew or Barak to remove "sample" from these in
                                      > the repository.
                                      >
                                      > -- david
                                      > Papa.DRB
                                      >
                                      > My better half and me (jpg)
                                      > <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                                      > Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                                      > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                                      >
                                      > Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                                      > For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                                      > believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                                      >
                                      > On 6/7/2011 9:58 PM, James Dempsey wrote:
                                      >> Hi David,
                                      >>
                                      >> If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                      >> sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?
                                      >>
                                      >> Cheers,
                                      >> James Dempsey
                                      >> PCGen Code SB
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                      >>> Bingo!
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Now to test if they actually work.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Thanks!
                                      >>>
                                      >>> -Swiftbrook
                                      >>>
                                      >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb"<Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
                                      >>>> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change it. The file is: @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst, and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a personal ability file.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> -- david
                                      >>>> Papa.DRB
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey<jdempsey@> wrote:
                                      >>>>> Hi Swiftbrook,
                                      >>>>>
                                      >>>>> You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                      >>>>> misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                      >>>>> uploading it.
                                      >>>>>
                                      >>>>> Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                                      >>>>> traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                      >> ------------------------------------
                                      >>
                                      >> Related Lists
                                      >> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
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                                    • swiftbrook8
                                      Andrew, Hope you re feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem and provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the APG
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                        Andrew,

                                        Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem and provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the APG trait file.

                                        School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time permitting.

                                        Thanks!

                                        -Swiftbrook

                                        --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Hi,
                                        >
                                        > Just got up from a lengthy nap - feeling under the weather... so what is the actual issue problem
                                        > that needs to be fixed?
                                        >
                                        > I know Stefan really didn't want the samples in there, Barak hasn't messed with the APG, and all I
                                        > care about it the examples actually do work if people want to use it.
                                        >
                                        > Enabling the samples is actually easier than first glance though BTW - You just have to add the
                                        > proper type to the ABILITYCATEGORY, no need to change all the unique abilities themselves.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > On 6/7/2011 7:18 PM, David R. Bender wrote:
                                        > > Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don't have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine,
                                        > > so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst
                                        > > data file to figure out what was going on. Is "SampleCampaignTrait" in
                                        > > the drop-down? If yes, then I believe it should work. It will add a new
                                        > > ability pool based on which one of the samples you take, then you get to
                                        > > select the "actual" sample campaign trait.
                                        > >
                                        > > Since these are samples, I would rather, in the future, just have the
                                        > > person load the appropriate AP players guide to pick up the traits.
                                        > > Either that or convince Drew or Barak to remove "sample" from these in
                                        > > the repository.
                                        > >
                                        > > -- david
                                        > > Papa.DRB
                                        > >
                                        > > My better half and me (jpg)
                                        > > <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                                        > > Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                                        > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                                        > >
                                        > > Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                                        > > For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                                        > > believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                                        > >
                                        > > On 6/7/2011 9:58 PM, James Dempsey wrote:
                                        > >> Hi David,
                                        > >>
                                        > >> If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                        > >> sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?
                                        > >>
                                        > >> Cheers,
                                        > >> James Dempsey
                                        > >> PCGen Code SB
                                        > >>
                                        > >>
                                        > >> On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                        > >>> Bingo!
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>> Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>> Now to test if they actually work.
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>> Thanks!
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>> -Swiftbrook
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb"<Papa.DRB@> wrote:
                                        > >>>> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                        > >>>>
                                        > >>>> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change it. The file is: @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst, and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a personal ability file.
                                        > >>>>
                                        > >>>> -- david
                                        > >>>> Papa.DRB
                                        > >>>>
                                        > >>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey<jdempsey@> wrote:
                                        > >>>>> Hi Swiftbrook,
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>> You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                        > >>>>> misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                        > >>>>> uploading it.
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>> Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                                        > >>>>> traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                        > >> ------------------------------------
                                        > >>
                                        > >> Related Lists
                                        > >> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                                        > >> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                                        > >> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                                        > >> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                        > >> PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
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                                        > >> (for new official data source development)
                                        > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
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                                        > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
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                                      • Andrew Wilson
                                        I ve already done the organised play ones, they ve passed data review and are just waiting for someone to do an OGL review to go live. andrew ... [Non-text
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                          I've already done the organised play ones, they've passed data review and
                                          are
                                          just waiting for someone to do an OGL review to go live.
                                          andrew
                                          On 8 June 2011 11:51, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:

                                          > Andrew,
                                          >
                                          > Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem and
                                          > provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the APG
                                          > trait file.
                                          >
                                          > School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for
                                          > Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time permitting.
                                          >
                                          > Thanks!
                                          >
                                          > -Swiftbrook
                                          >
                                          > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Hi,
                                          > >
                                          > > Just got up from a lengthy nap - feeling under the weather... so what is
                                          > the actual issue problem
                                          > > that needs to be fixed?
                                          > >
                                          > > I know Stefan really didn't want the samples in there, Barak hasn't
                                          > messed with the APG, and all I
                                          > > care about it the examples actually do work if people want to use it.
                                          > >
                                          > > Enabling the samples is actually easier than first glance though BTW -
                                          > You just have to add the
                                          > > proper type to the ABILITYCATEGORY, no need to change all the unique
                                          > abilities themselves.
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > On 6/7/2011 7:18 PM, David R. Bender wrote:
                                          > > > Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don't have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine,
                                          > > > so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst
                                          > > > data file to figure out what was going on. Is "SampleCampaignTrait" in
                                          > > > the drop-down? If yes, then I believe it should work. It will add a new
                                          > > > ability pool based on which one of the samples you take, then you get
                                          > to
                                          > > > select the "actual" sample campaign trait.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Since these are samples, I would rather, in the future, just have the
                                          > > > person load the appropriate AP players guide to pick up the traits.
                                          > > > Either that or convince Drew or Barak to remove "sample" from these in
                                          > > > the repository.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > -- david
                                          > > > Papa.DRB
                                          > > >
                                          > > > My better half and me (jpg)
                                          > > > <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                                          > > > Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                                          > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                                          > > > For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                                          > > > believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On 6/7/2011 9:58 PM, James Dempsey wrote:
                                          > > >> Hi David,
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >> If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                          > > >> sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >> Cheers,
                                          > > >> James Dempsey
                                          > > >> PCGen Code SB
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >> On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                          > > >>> Bingo!
                                          > > >>>
                                          > > >>> Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                          > > >>>
                                          > > >>> Now to test if they actually work.
                                          > > >>>
                                          > > >>> Thanks!
                                          > > >>>
                                          > > >>> -Swiftbrook
                                          > > >>>
                                          > > >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb"<Papa.DRB@> wrote:
                                          > > >>>> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in
                                          > the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample
                                          > Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                          > > >>>>
                                          > > >>>> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change
                                          > it. The file is:
                                          > @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst,
                                          > and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a
                                          > personal ability file.
                                          > > >>>>
                                          > > >>>> -- david
                                          > > >>>> Papa.DRB
                                          > > >>>>
                                          > > >>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey<jdempsey@> wrote:
                                          > > >>>>> Hi Swiftbrook,
                                          > > >>>>>
                                          > > >>>>> You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                          > > >>>>> misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                          > > >>>>> uploading it.
                                          > > >>>>>
                                          > > >>>>> Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have
                                          > any
                                          > > >>>>> traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                          > > >> ------------------------------------
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >> Related Lists
                                          > > >> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                                          > > >> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                                          > > >> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                                          > > >> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                          > > >> PCGen's Online Docs:
                                          > http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                                          > > >> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                                          > http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                                          > > >>
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                                          > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                                          > > >> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                                          > > >>
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                                          > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                                          > > >> (for new official data source development)
                                          > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >>
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ------------------------------------
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Related Lists
                                          > > > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                                          > > > PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
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                                          > > > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                          > > > PCGen's Online Docs:
                                          > http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                                          > > > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
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                                          > > >
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                                          > > Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                                          > > Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
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                                          > > Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
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                                        • Allen Cohn
                                          I thought both of those have been coded up already.... Allen Re: Enabling Campaign Traits from APG Posted by: swiftbrook8 swiftbrook@hotmail.com
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                            I thought both of those have been coded up already....

                                            Allen


                                            Re: Enabling Campaign Traits from APG
                                            Posted by: "swiftbrook8" swiftbrook@... swiftbrook8
                                            Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:51 am (PDT)


                                            Andrew,

                                            Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem and
                                            provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the APG
                                            trait file.

                                            School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for
                                            Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time permitting.

                                            Thanks!

                                            -Swiftbrook
                                          • Andrew
                                            Hi, Organized Play? Who did the data review? Did I miss a tracker? I must really be out of it. ... -- Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing) Admin Silverback - PCGen
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                              Hi,

                                              Organized Play? Who did the data review? Did I miss a tracker?

                                              I must really be out of it.


                                              On 6/8/2011 5:07 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
                                              > I've already done the organised play ones, they've passed data review and
                                              > are
                                              > just waiting for someone to do an OGL review to go live.
                                              > andrew
                                              > On 8 June 2011 11:51, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              >> Andrew,
                                              >>
                                              >> Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem and
                                              >> provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the APG
                                              >> trait file.
                                              >>
                                              >> School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for
                                              >> Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time permitting.
                                              >>
                                              >> Thanks!
                                              >>
                                              >> -Swiftbrook
                                              >>
                                              >> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
                                              >>> Hi,
                                              >>>
                                              >>> Just got up from a lengthy nap - feeling under the weather... so what is
                                              >> the actual issue problem
                                              >>> that needs to be fixed?
                                              >>>
                                              >>> I know Stefan really didn't want the samples in there, Barak hasn't
                                              >> messed with the APG, and all I
                                              >>> care about it the examples actually do work if people want to use it.
                                              >>>
                                              >>> Enabling the samples is actually easier than first glance though BTW -
                                              >> You just have to add the
                                              >>> proper type to the ABILITYCATEGORY, no need to change all the unique
                                              >> abilities themselves.
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> On 6/7/2011 7:18 PM, David R. Bender wrote:
                                              >>>> Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don't have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine,
                                              >>>> so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst
                                              >>>> data file to figure out what was going on. Is "SampleCampaignTrait" in
                                              >>>> the drop-down? If yes, then I believe it should work. It will add a new
                                              >>>> ability pool based on which one of the samples you take, then you get
                                              >> to
                                              >>>> select the "actual" sample campaign trait.
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>> Since these are samples, I would rather, in the future, just have the
                                              >>>> person load the appropriate AP players guide to pick up the traits.
                                              >>>> Either that or convince Drew or Barak to remove "sample" from these in
                                              >>>> the repository.
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>> -- david
                                              >>>> Papa.DRB
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>> My better half and me (jpg)
                                              >>>> <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                                              >>>> Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                                              >>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>> Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                                              >>>> For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                                              >>>> believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>> On 6/7/2011 9:58 PM, James Dempsey wrote:
                                              >>>>> Hi David,
                                              >>>>>
                                              >>>>> If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                              >>>>> sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?
                                              >>>>>
                                              >>>>> Cheers,
                                              >>>>> James Dempsey
                                              >>>>> PCGen Code SB
                                              >>>>>
                                              >>>>>
                                              >>>>> On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                              >>>>>> Bingo!
                                              >>>>>>
                                              >>>>>> Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                              >>>>>>
                                              >>>>>> Now to test if they actually work.
                                              >>>>>>
                                              >>>>>> Thanks!
                                              >>>>>>
                                              >>>>>> -Swiftbrook
                                              >>>>>>
                                              >>>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb"<Papa.DRB@> wrote:
                                              >>>>>>> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in
                                              >> the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample
                                              >> Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                              >>>>>>> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change
                                              >> it. The file is:
                                              >> @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst,
                                              >> and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a
                                              >> personal ability file.
                                              >>>>>>> -- david
                                              >>>>>>> Papa.DRB
                                              >>>>>>>
                                              >>>>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey<jdempsey@> wrote:
                                              >>>>>>>> Hi Swiftbrook,
                                              >>>>>>>>
                                              >>>>>>>> You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                              >>>>>>>> misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                              >>>>>>>> uploading it.
                                              >>>>>>>>
                                              >>>>>>>> Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have
                                              >> any
                                              >>>>>>>> traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                              >>>>> ------------------------------------
                                              >>>>>
                                              >>>>> Related Lists
                                              >>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                                              >>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                                              >>>>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                                              >>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                              >>>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                                              >> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                                              >>>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                                              >> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                                              >>>>> PCGen List File Help:
                                              >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                                              >>>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                                              >>>>>
                                              >>>>> PCGen Experimental:
                                              >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                                              >>>>> (for new official data source development)
                                              >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                              >>>>>
                                              >>>>>
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                                              >>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                              >>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                                              >> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                                              >>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                                              >> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                                              >>>> PCGen List File Help:
                                              >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                                              >>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>> PCGen Experimental:
                                              >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                                              >>>> (for new official data source development)
                                              >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>>
                                              >>>>
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                                              >>> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
                                              >>> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                                              >>> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
                                              >>> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
                                              >>> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                              >>>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
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                                            • Andrew Wilson
                                              You really are out it, you reviewed it and said it was good to go except it needed an OGL review. James uploaded the info for the OGL review. About 2 weeks
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                                You really are out it, you reviewed it and said it was good to go except it
                                                needed
                                                an OGL review. James uploaded the info for the OGL review. About 2 weeks
                                                ago.

                                                You did say it had spurious spaces at the start of the DESC tags, but you'd
                                                removed those.

                                                I'm not sure it ever got a JIRA. Someone asked for it, I mentioned that I'd
                                                entered
                                                for my own use and you asked me to upload it to the not for distribution
                                                area.

                                                andrew

                                                On 8 June 2011 17:49, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:

                                                > Hi,
                                                >
                                                > Organized Play? Who did the data review? Did I miss a tracker?
                                                >
                                                > I must really be out of it.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > On 6/8/2011 5:07 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
                                                > > I've already done the organised play ones, they've passed data review and
                                                > > are
                                                > > just waiting for someone to do an OGL review to go live.
                                                > > andrew
                                                > > On 8 June 2011 11:51, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > >> Andrew,
                                                > >>
                                                > >> Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem
                                                > and
                                                > >> provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the
                                                > APG
                                                > >> trait file.
                                                > >>
                                                > >> School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for
                                                > >> Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time
                                                > permitting.
                                                > >>
                                                > >> Thanks!
                                                > >>
                                                > >> -Swiftbrook
                                                > >>
                                                > >> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
                                                > >>> Hi,
                                                > >>>
                                                > >>> Just got up from a lengthy nap - feeling under the weather... so what
                                                > is
                                                > >> the actual issue problem
                                                > >>> that needs to be fixed?
                                                > >>>
                                                > >>> I know Stefan really didn't want the samples in there, Barak hasn't
                                                > >> messed with the APG, and all I
                                                > >>> care about it the examples actually do work if people want to use it.
                                                > >>>
                                                > >>> Enabling the samples is actually easier than first glance though BTW -
                                                > >> You just have to add the
                                                > >>> proper type to the ABILITYCATEGORY, no need to change all the unique
                                                > >> abilities themselves.
                                                > >>>
                                                > >>>
                                                > >>> On 6/7/2011 7:18 PM, David R. Bender wrote:
                                                > >>>> Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don't have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine,
                                                > >>>> so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst
                                                > >>>> data file to figure out what was going on. Is "SampleCampaignTrait" in
                                                > >>>> the drop-down? If yes, then I believe it should work. It will add a
                                                > new
                                                > >>>> ability pool based on which one of the samples you take, then you get
                                                > >> to
                                                > >>>> select the "actual" sample campaign trait.
                                                > >>>>
                                                > >>>> Since these are samples, I would rather, in the future, just have the
                                                > >>>> person load the appropriate AP players guide to pick up the traits.
                                                > >>>> Either that or convince Drew or Barak to remove "sample" from these in
                                                > >>>> the repository.
                                                > >>>>
                                                > >>>> -- david
                                                > >>>> Papa.DRB
                                                > >>>>
                                                > >>>> My better half and me (jpg)
                                                > >>>> <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                                                > >>>> Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                                                > >>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                                                > >>>>
                                                > >>>> Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                                                > >>>> For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                                                > >>>> believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                                                > >>>>
                                                > >>>> On 6/7/2011 9:58 PM, James Dempsey wrote:
                                                > >>>>> Hi David,
                                                > >>>>>
                                                > >>>>> If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                                > >>>>> sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?
                                                > >>>>>
                                                > >>>>> Cheers,
                                                > >>>>> James Dempsey
                                                > >>>>> PCGen Code SB
                                                > >>>>>
                                                > >>>>>
                                                > >>>>> On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                                > >>>>>> Bingo!
                                                > >>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>> Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                                > >>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>> Now to test if they actually work.
                                                > >>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>> Thanks!
                                                > >>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>> -Swiftbrook
                                                > >>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb"<Papa.DRB@> wrote:
                                                > >>>>>>> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in
                                                > >> the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but
                                                > Sample
                                                > >> Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                                > >>>>>>> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change
                                                > >> it. The file is:
                                                > >>
                                                > @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst,
                                                > >> and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a
                                                > >> personal ability file.
                                                > >>>>>>> -- david
                                                > >>>>>>> Papa.DRB
                                                > >>>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey<jdempsey@> wrote:
                                                > >>>>>>>> Hi Swiftbrook,
                                                > >>>>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>>>> You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                                > >>>>>>>> misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                                > >>>>>>>> uploading it.
                                                > >>>>>>>>
                                                > >>>>>>>> Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have
                                                > >> any
                                                > >>>>>>>> traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                                > >>>>> ------------------------------------
                                                > >>>>>
                                                > >>>>> Related Lists
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                                                > >>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
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                                                > >>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                                > >>>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                                                > >> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
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                                                > >> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
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                                                > >>> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                                                > >>> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
                                                > >>> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
                                                > >>> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
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                                              • Andrew
                                                Yup, I m really out of it. ... -- Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing) Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur Unique Title
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                                  Yup, I'm really out of it.


                                                  On 6/8/2011 10:23 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
                                                  > You really are out it, you reviewed it and said it was good to go except it
                                                  > needed
                                                  > an OGL review. James uploaded the info for the OGL review. About 2 weeks
                                                  > ago.
                                                  >
                                                  > You did say it had spurious spaces at the start of the DESC tags, but you'd
                                                  > removed those.
                                                  >
                                                  > I'm not sure it ever got a JIRA. Someone asked for it, I mentioned that I'd
                                                  > entered
                                                  > for my own use and you asked me to upload it to the not for distribution
                                                  > area.
                                                  >
                                                  > andrew
                                                  >
                                                  > On 8 June 2011 17:49, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >> Hi,
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Organized Play? Who did the data review? Did I miss a tracker?
                                                  >>
                                                  >> I must really be out of it.
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >> On 6/8/2011 5:07 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
                                                  >>> I've already done the organised play ones, they've passed data review and
                                                  >>> are
                                                  >>> just waiting for someone to do an OGL review to go live.
                                                  >>> andrew
                                                  >>> On 8 June 2011 11:51, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>> Andrew,
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem
                                                  >> and
                                                  >>>> provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the
                                                  >> APG
                                                  >>>> trait file.
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for
                                                  >>>> Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time
                                                  >> permitting.
                                                  >>>> Thanks!
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> -Swiftbrook
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
                                                  >>>>> Hi,
                                                  >>>>>
                                                  >>>>> Just got up from a lengthy nap - feeling under the weather... so what
                                                  >> is
                                                  >>>> the actual issue problem
                                                  >>>>> that needs to be fixed?
                                                  >>>>>
                                                  >>>>> I know Stefan really didn't want the samples in there, Barak hasn't
                                                  >>>> messed with the APG, and all I
                                                  >>>>> care about it the examples actually do work if people want to use it.
                                                  >>>>>
                                                  >>>>> Enabling the samples is actually easier than first glance though BTW -
                                                  >>>> You just have to add the
                                                  >>>>> proper type to the ABILITYCATEGORY, no need to change all the unique
                                                  >>>> abilities themselves.
                                                  >>>>>
                                                  >>>>> On 6/7/2011 7:18 PM, David R. Bender wrote:
                                                  >>>>>> Well, I am using 5.17.7 and don't have a copy of 5.16.4 on my machine,
                                                  >>>>>> so I am not seeing the same thing that Swiftbrook was. I read the lst
                                                  >>>>>> data file to figure out what was going on. Is "SampleCampaignTrait" in
                                                  >>>>>> the drop-down? If yes, then I believe it should work. It will add a
                                                  >> new
                                                  >>>>>> ability pool based on which one of the samples you take, then you get
                                                  >>>> to
                                                  >>>>>> select the "actual" sample campaign trait.
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> Since these are samples, I would rather, in the future, just have the
                                                  >>>>>> person load the appropriate AP players guide to pick up the traits.
                                                  >>>>>> Either that or convince Drew or Barak to remove "sample" from these in
                                                  >>>>>> the repository.
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> -- david
                                                  >>>>>> Papa.DRB
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> My better half and me (jpg)
                                                  >>>>>> <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
                                                  >>>>>> Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
                                                  >>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qu7jGYzS_A>
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
                                                  >>>>>> For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
                                                  >>>>>> believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> On 6/7/2011 9:58 PM, James Dempsey wrote:
                                                  >>>>>>> Hi David,
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>> If one didn't want to change LST files, could you just select the
                                                  >>>>>>> sample campaign traits in the drop-down and change that value to 1?
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>> Cheers,
                                                  >>>>>>> James Dempsey
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen Code SB
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>> On 8 June 2011 10:47, swiftbrook8<swiftbrook@...> wrote:
                                                  >>>>>>>> Bingo!
                                                  >>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>> Changed SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait and it unlocked them.
                                                  >>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>> Now to test if they actually work.
                                                  >>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>> Thanks!
                                                  >>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>> -Swiftbrook
                                                  >>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb"<Papa.DRB@> wrote:
                                                  >>>>>>>>> They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in
                                                  >>>> the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but
                                                  >> Sample
                                                  >>>> Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                                  >>>>>>>>> Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change
                                                  >>>> it. The file is:
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >> @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst,
                                                  >>>> and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a
                                                  >>>> personal ability file.
                                                  >>>>>>>>> -- david
                                                  >>>>>>>>> Papa.DRB
                                                  >>>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey<jdempsey@> wrote:
                                                  >>>>>>>>>> Hi Swiftbrook,
                                                  >>>>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>>>> You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                                  >>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                                  >>>>>>>>>> uploading it.
                                                  >>>>>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>>>> Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have
                                                  >>>> any
                                                  >>>>>>>>>> traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                                  >>>>>>> ------------------------------------
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>> Related Lists
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                                                  >>>> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                                                  >>>> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen List File Help:
                                                  >>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                                                  >>>>>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>> PCGen Experimental:
                                                  >>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                                                  >>>>>>> (for new official data source development)
                                                  >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> ------------------------------------
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> Related Lists
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                                                  >>>>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://wiki.pcgen.org/
                                                  >>>>>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Roadmap
                                                  >>>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                                  >>>>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                                                  >>>> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
                                                  >>>>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
                                                  >>>> http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
                                                  >>>>>> PCGen List File Help:
                                                  >>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
                                                  >>>>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>> PCGen Experimental:
                                                  >>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
                                                  >>>>>> (for new official data source development)
                                                  >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>>>
                                                  >>>>> --
                                                  >>>>> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
                                                  >>>>> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
                                                  >>>>> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
                                                  >>>>> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
                                                  >>>>> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
                                                  >>>>>
                                                  >>>>>
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                                                  >>>>>
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                                                  >>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
                                                  >>>> PCGen's Online Docs:
                                                  >>>> http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
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                                                • swiftbrook8
                                                  If the Pathfinder: Inner Sea Primer (different from the Pathfinder: The Inner Sea World Guide) has been coded up, someone please take credit so that I don t
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                                    If the Pathfinder: Inner Sea Primer (different from the Pathfinder: The Inner Sea World Guide) has been coded up, someone please take credit so that I don't have to duplicate your work. Then, please, the powers that be, please post it.

                                                    -Swiftbrook

                                                    --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Cohn" <allen@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > I thought both of those have been coded up already....
                                                    >
                                                    > Allen
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Re: Enabling Campaign Traits from APG
                                                    > Posted by: "swiftbrook8" swiftbrook@... swiftbrook8
                                                    > Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:51 am (PDT)
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Andrew,
                                                    >
                                                    > Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem and
                                                    > provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the APG
                                                    > trait file.
                                                    >
                                                    > School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for
                                                    > Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time permitting.
                                                    >
                                                    > Thanks!
                                                    >
                                                    > -Swiftbrook
                                                    >
                                                  • Andrew
                                                    Hi, Take a look at jira.pcgen.org Look under the newsource project, it lists all authorized source books, and their current status. Albeit, those will only be
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Jun 8, 2011
                                                      Hi,

                                                      Take a look at jira.pcgen.org

                                                      Look under the newsource project, it lists all authorized source books, and their current status.
                                                      Albeit, those will only be team ones, but if you want an up to date list, that's kept current.

                                                      Stefan was working on a couple of the PF stuff, and even uploaded the work. Anyone not on the pcgen
                                                      team working on sources outside of the list needs to speak up if they want the source on the list,
                                                      otherwise, we can't keep track of the status of non-team sets.


                                                      On 6/8/2011 5:07 PM, swiftbrook8 wrote:
                                                      > If the Pathfinder: Inner Sea Primer (different from the Pathfinder: The Inner Sea World Guide) has been coded up, someone please take credit so that I don't have to duplicate your work. Then, please, the powers that be, please post it.
                                                      >
                                                      > -Swiftbrook
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Cohn" <allen@...> wrote:
                                                      >> I thought both of those have been coded up already....
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Allen
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Re: Enabling Campaign Traits from APG
                                                      >> Posted by: "swiftbrook8" swiftbrook@... swiftbrook8
                                                      >> Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:51 am (PDT)
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Andrew,
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Hope you're feeling better. David (Papa.DRB) dug through the problem and
                                                      >> provided the answer. Change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait in the APG
                                                      >> trait file.
                                                      >>
                                                      >> School's almost out and I'm going to try (try) to type of the traits for
                                                      >> Pathfinder Society Organized Play and/or Inner Sea Primer time permitting.
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Thanks!
                                                      >>
                                                      >> -Swiftbrook
                                                      >>
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                                                    • Niilo
                                                      That s exactly what I needed. Thanks, David! And, thanks, Swiftbrook, for clarifying the problem in my absence. Cheers, - Niilo
                                                      Message 26 of 26 , Jun 9, 2011
                                                        That's exactly what I needed. Thanks, David!

                                                        And, thanks, Swiftbrook, for clarifying the problem in my absence.

                                                        Cheers,

                                                        - Niilo

                                                        --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "papa_drb" <Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > They are not defined as CampaignTrait, but SampleCampaignTrait in the lst file. In the APG they are *not* called Campaign Traits, but Sample Campaign Traits, is why I presume.
                                                        >
                                                        > Swiftbrook, if you know how to code up lst files, you could change it. The file is: @data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\pfapg_abilities_traits.lst, and change SampleCampaignTrait to CampaignTrait, or set up a .MOD in a personal ability file.
                                                        >
                                                        > -- david
                                                        > Papa.DRB
                                                        >
                                                        > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, James Dempsey <jdempsey@> wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Hi Swiftbrook,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > You definitely didn't offend me, :) I just saw that there was a
                                                        > > misunderstanding going on, confirmed by your image. Thanks for
                                                        > > uploading it.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Andrew and Andrew any ideas why the available list would not have any
                                                        > > traits in it? Could the apg_traits file not be being loaded?
                                                        >
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