## facing of large Rhino

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• Companion (Rhino) is Large (from Druid 7 onwards) but has Facing 5 . Should be 10 by normal logic, to match the base Rhino (and common sense) -- Neil Taylor
Message 1 of 11 , Feb 5, 2011
Companion (Rhino) is Large (from Druid 7 onwards) but has Facing 5'.

Should be 10' by normal logic, to match the base Rhino (and common sense)

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• facing ? Where can we look at that stat? Do you mean reach? If so, reach for Large quadrupeds is 5 ft, not 10! On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Saxum Caribetum
Message 2 of 11 , Feb 5, 2011
"facing"? Where can we look at that stat? Do you mean reach? If so, reach
for Large quadrupeds is 5 ft, not 10!

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Saxum Caribetum <
saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:

>
>
> Companion (Rhino) is Large (from Druid 7 onwards) but has Facing 5'.
>
> Should be 10' by normal logic, to match the base Rhino (and common sense)
>
> --
> Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
> ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+
> Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
> Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
> Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/
>
>
>

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• Ok, I think I see the problem now... I created a PF Druid, made it level 7, and the Rhino is still Medium. Raised to level 8 and updated the animal companion,
Message 3 of 11 , Feb 5, 2011
Ok, I think I see the problem now... I created a PF Druid, made it level 7,
and the Rhino is still Medium. Raised to level 8 and updated the animal
companion, still Medium... Took the druid to level 20, the rhino is still
medium...

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Sheng Long Gradilla <

> "facing"? Where can we look at that stat? Do you mean reach? If so, reach
> for Large quadrupeds is 5 ft, not 10!
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Saxum Caribetum <
> saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Companion (Rhino) is Large (from Druid 7 onwards) but has Facing 5'.
>>
>> Should be 10' by normal logic, to match the base Rhino (and common sense)
>>
>> --
>> Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
>> ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+
>> Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
>> Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
>> Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -=={UDIC}==-
>

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• Hi, Hm, no SIZE change? I ll look at it. Medium Facing is 5 Large Facing is 5x10 if long, like a horse OR 10x10. The Reach is 5 for Long Large, and 10 for the
Message 4 of 11 , Feb 5, 2011
Hi,

Hm, no SIZE change? I'll look at it.

Medium Facing is 5
Large Facing is 5x10 if long, like a horse OR 10x10.

The Reach is 5 for Long Large, and 10 for the standard Large.

Cheers,

On 2/5/2011 10:38 AM, Sheng Long Gradilla wrote:
> Ok, I think I see the problem now... I created a PF Druid, made it level 7,
> and the Rhino is still Medium. Raised to level 8 and updated the animal
> companion, still Medium... Took the druid to level 20, the rhino is still
> medium...
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Sheng Long Gradilla<
>
>> "facing"? Where can we look at that stat? Do you mean reach? If so, reach
>> for Large quadrupeds is 5 ft, not 10!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Saxum Caribetum<
>> saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Companion (Rhino) is Large (from Druid 7 onwards) but has Facing 5'.
>>>
>>> Should be 10' by normal logic, to match the base Rhino (and common sense)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
>>> ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+
>>> Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
>>> Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
>>> Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -=={UDIC}==-
>>
>
>

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• Hi, Okay, the face is something I don t know how to fix. We set it in the race, but it s not adjusted by BONUS:SIZEMOD. I tested the Rhino, it works fine. I
Message 5 of 11 , Feb 5, 2011
Hi,

Okay, the face is something I don't know how to fix. We set it in the race, but it's not adjusted by
BONUS:SIZEMOD.

I tested the Rhino, it works fine.

I created an 8th level druid. I added the Rhino companion. Switched tabs, set the Bonus Stat due to
the RHino, added the Rhino Advancement, as opposed to just take the Stat alternative. Ignored the 9
Bonus Skill Tricks.

Size was Large.

On 2/5/2011 11:05 AM, Andrew Maitland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hm, no SIZE change? I'll look at it.
>
> Medium Facing is 5
> Large Facing is 5x10 if long, like a horse OR 10x10.
>
> The Reach is 5 for Long Large, and 10 for the standard Large.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On 2/5/2011 10:38 AM, Sheng Long Gradilla wrote:
>> Ok, I think I see the problem now... I created a PF Druid, made it level 7,
>> and the Rhino is still Medium. Raised to level 8 and updated the animal
>> companion, still Medium... Took the druid to level 20, the rhino is still
>> medium...
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Sheng Long Gradilla<
>>
>>> "facing"? Where can we look at that stat? Do you mean reach? If so, reach
>>> for Large quadrupeds is 5 ft, not 10!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Saxum Caribetum<
>>> saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Companion (Rhino) is Large (from Druid 7 onwards) but has Facing 5'.
>>>>
>>>> Should be 10' by normal logic, to match the base Rhino (and common sense)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
>>>> ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+
>>>> Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
>>>> Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
>>>> Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -=={UDIC}==-
>>>
>>

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Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
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• ... Um, PF uses the 3.5 space rule of always square . Large creatures are 10 X10 , be they tall or long. -- Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)
Message 6 of 11 , Feb 5, 2011
On Saturday 05 February 2011 14:05, Andrew Maitland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hm, no SIZE change? I'll look at it.
>
> Medium Facing is 5
> Large Facing is 5x10 if long, like a horse OR 10x10.

Um, PF uses the 3.5 space rule of "always square". Large creatures are
10'X10', be they tall or long.

--
Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)
• Table 8–4: Creature Size and Scale, PFCR - Page 195 Creature Size Space* Natural Reach* Fine 1/2 ft. 0 Diminutive 1 ft. 0 Tiny 2-1/2 ft. 0 Small, Medium 5
Message 7 of 11 , Feb 5, 2011
Table 8–4: Creature Size and Scale, PFCR - Page 195
Creature Size Space* Natural Reach*
Fine 1/2 ft. 0
Diminutive 1 ft. 0
Tiny 2-1/2 ft. 0
Small, Medium 5 ft. 5 ft.
Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.
Huge (tall) 15 ft. 15 ft.
Huge (long) 15 ft. 10 ft.
Gargantuan (tall) 20 ft. 20 ft.
Gargantuan (long) 20 ft. 15 ft.
Colossal (tall) 30 ft. 30 ft.
Colossal (long) 30 ft. 20 ft.
* Typical for creatures of the indicated size. Some exceptions exist.

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On 2/5/2011 8:53 PM, Rick Pikul wrote:
> On Saturday 05 February 2011 14:05, Andrew Maitland wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hm, no SIZE change? I'll look at it.
>>
>> Medium Facing is 5
>> Large Facing is 5x10 if long, like a horse OR 10x10.
> Um, PF uses the 3.5 space rule of "always square". Large creatures are
> 10'X10', be they tall or long.
>
• ... Yes, both tall and long have a space of 10 . That s what I said. Large (long) creatures, like all long creatures, have a reduced reach when compared to
Message 8 of 11 , Feb 7, 2011
On Saturday 05 February 2011 22:05, David R. Bender wrote:
> Table 8–4: Creature Size and Scale, PFCR - Page 195
> Creature Size Space* Natural Reach*
> Fine 1/2 ft. 0
> Diminutive 1 ft. 0
> Tiny 2-1/2 ft. 0
> Small, Medium 5 ft. 5 ft.
> Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
> Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.

Yes, both tall and long have a space of 10'. That's what I said.

Large (long) creatures, like all long creatures, have a reduced reach when
compared to tall creatures.

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Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)
• Hi, No, he s giving the chart that said what I stated. Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft. 10x10 Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft. 10x5 Means the face is 5 feet wide by 10 feet
Message 9 of 11 , Feb 7, 2011
Hi,

No, he's giving the chart that said what I stated.

Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
10x10
Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.
10x5

Means the face is 5 feet wide by 10 feet long.

Regardless of that, we don't have any obvious way to adjust the FACE or SPACE. I'll open a JIRA for it.

On 2/7/2011 9:23 AM, Rick Pikul wrote:
> On Saturday 05 February 2011 22:05, David R. Bender wrote:
>> Table 8�4: Creature Size and Scale, PFCR - Page 195
>> Creature Size Space* Natural Reach*
>> Fine 1/2 ft. 0
>> Diminutive 1 ft. 0
>> Tiny 2-1/2 ft. 0
>> Small, Medium 5 ft. 5 ft.
>> Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
>> Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.
> Yes, both tall and long have a space of 10'. That's what I said.
>
> Large (long) creatures, like all long creatures, have a reduced reach when
> compared to tall creatures.
>
>

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• Andrew, you are mistaken, check the original chart again. In 35e and Pathfinder, *all* spaces are square. Stefan.
Message 10 of 11 , Feb 7, 2011
Andrew, you are mistaken, check the original chart again. In 35e and
Pathfinder, *all* spaces are square.

Stefan.

On 07.02.2011 18:28, Andrew Maitland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No, he's giving the chart that said what I stated.
>
> Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
> 10x10
> Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.
> 10x5
>
> Means the face is 5 feet wide by 10 feet long.
>
> Regardless of that, we don't have any obvious way to adjust the FACE or SPACE. I'll open a JIRA for it.
>
>
> On 2/7/2011 9:23 AM, Rick Pikul wrote:
>> On Saturday 05 February 2011 22:05, David R. Bender wrote:
>>> Table 8–4: Creature Size and Scale, PFCR - Page 195
>>> Creature Size Space* Natural Reach*
>>> Fine 1/2 ft. 0
>>> Diminutive 1 ft. 0
>>> Tiny 2-1/2 ft. 0
>>> Small, Medium 5 ft. 5 ft.
>>> Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
>>> Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.
>> Yes, both tall and long have a space of 10'. That's what I said.
>>
>> Large (long) creatures, like all long creatures, have a reduced reach when
>> compared to tall creatures.
>>
>>
>
• Hi, I stand corrected. But doesn t negate the fact we can t adjust it. ... -- Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing) Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors Data
Message 11 of 11 , Feb 7, 2011
Hi,

I stand corrected. But doesn't negate the fact we can't adjust it.

On 2/7/2011 9:31 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> Andrew, you are mistaken, check the original chart again. In 35e and
> Pathfinder, *all* spaces are square.
>
> Stefan.
>
> On 07.02.2011 18:28, Andrew Maitland wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No, he's giving the chart that said what I stated.
>>
>> Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
>> 10x10
>> Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.
>> 10x5
>>
>> Means the face is 5 feet wide by 10 feet long.
>>
>> Regardless of that, we don't have any obvious way to adjust the FACE or SPACE. I'll open a JIRA for it.
>>
>>
>> On 2/7/2011 9:23 AM, Rick Pikul wrote:
>>> On Saturday 05 February 2011 22:05, David R. Bender wrote:
>>>> Table 8�4: Creature Size and Scale, PFCR - Page 195
>>>> Creature Size Space* Natural Reach*
>>>> Fine 1/2 ft. 0
>>>> Diminutive 1 ft. 0
>>>> Tiny 2-1/2 ft. 0
>>>> Small, Medium 5 ft. 5 ft.
>>>> Large (tall) 10 ft. 10 ft.
>>>> Large (long) 10 ft. 5 ft.
>>> Yes, both tall and long have a space of 10'. That's what I said.
>>>
>>> Large (long) creatures, like all long creatures, have a reduced reach when
>>> compared to tall creatures.
>>>
>>>
>
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