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  • Saxum Caribetum
    *BUMP* ... Subject: [pcgen] [pathfinder] Shadowdancer Shadow Companion - Fortitude saves Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:59:56 +0100 From: Saxum Caribetum
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 1, 2010
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      Subject: [pcgen] [pathfinder] Shadowdancer Shadow Companion - Fortitude
      saves
      Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:59:56 +0100
      From: Saxum Caribetum <saxum.caribetum@...>
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      replacing a broken Shadow Companion (from beta) with a newly generated
      replacement, I notice there's still a problem:

      We have a 10'th level PC (Rogue 7, ShadowDancer 3), with base saves of
      +3/+7/+3 -- these are correctly carried over to the Shadow Companion
      (PFRPG p.392), but the Fortitude Save has an Ability mod of +0.
      The Shadow is Undead, so PFB p.310, has no Con but uses Cha instead
      "when calculating ... Fortitude Saves.." (Reflex and Will saves appear
      to have correct bonus)

      (And a minor niggle - when the Shadow Companion is created, PCGen
      insists on rolling 2 D8 hit-points, presumably having given max HP for
      first HD ... but a Shadow Companion does not roll HP at all - rather it
      always uses 1/2 master's HP. PCGen does in fact do this when it comes
      to real HP.)


      PCGen 5.17.2
      Pathfinder core, bestiary, bonus bestiary, traits (web enhancement)
      Windows 7 64-bit.

      --
      Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
      ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
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    • Andrew Maitland
      This has been fixed. Shadow Companion now uses the same Template as the rest of the Undead. Just need a confirm that it works. ________________________________
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 1, 2010
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        This has been fixed. Shadow Companion now uses the same Template as the rest of the Undead.

        Just need a confirm that it works.




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        From: Saxum Caribetum <saxum.caribetum@...>
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        Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:03:49 AM
        Subject: Fwd: [pcgen] [pathfinder] Shadowdancer Shadow Companion - Fortitude saves

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        Subject:     [pcgen] [pathfinder] Shadowdancer Shadow Companion - Fortitude
        saves
        Date:     Tue, 25 May 2010 23:59:56 +0100
        From:     Saxum Caribetum <saxum.caribetum@...>
        Reply-To:     pcgen@yahoogroups.com
        To:     pcgen@yahoogroups.com



        replacing a broken Shadow Companion (from beta) with a newly generated
        replacement, I notice there's still a problem:

        We have a 10'th level PC (Rogue 7, ShadowDancer 3), with base saves of
        +3/+7/+3 -- these are correctly carried over to the Shadow Companion
        (PFRPG p.392), but the Fortitude Save has an Ability mod of +0.
        The Shadow is Undead, so PFB p.310, has no Con but uses Cha instead
        "when calculating ... Fortitude Saves.." (Reflex and Will saves appear
        to have correct bonus)

        (And a minor niggle - when the Shadow Companion is created, PCGen
        insists on rolling 2 D8 hit-points, presumably having given max HP for
        first HD ... but a Shadow Companion does not roll HP at all - rather it
        always uses 1/2 master's HP.  PCGen does in fact do this when it comes
        to real HP.)


        PCGen 5.17.2
        Pathfinder core, bestiary, bonus bestiary, traits (web enhancement)
        Windows 7 64-bit.

        --
        Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
        ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
        Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
        Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/



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      • Saxum Caribetum
        ... ah -yes - that was the stumbling block. Thanks for the careful attention! -- Neil Taylor Creo Imaginem Mente ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96)
        Message 3 of 7 , Jun 1, 2010
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          On 01/06/2010 18:09, Andrew Maitland wrote:
          > This has been fixed. Shadow Companion now uses the same Template as the rest of the Undead.
          >
          > Just need a confirm that it works.
          >

          ah -yes - that was the stumbling block.

          Thanks for the careful attention!

          --
          Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
          ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
          Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
          Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/
        • Andrew Maitland
          Well, JIRA makes it easier to do it that way. Bug - Reported - Confirmed - Resolved - Closed on Fix Confirmed by original poster (if possible) It does
          Message 4 of 7 , Jun 1, 2010
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            Well, JIRA makes it easier to do it that way.

            Bug - Reported - Confirmed - "Resolved" - Closed on Fix Confirmed by original poster (if possible)

            It does require our bug reporters to stay in touch to make sure the bug is fixed. Variables have been discovered where a bug has been thought fixed, but the bug was still present based upon how the user used the program.

            Case in point our recent Language Removal Issue - If you did it one at a time, it would work, if you did two or more it failed.

            Anyways, any chance you can download the 5.17.3 version and test it for us ;)

            If not, I'll see what I can do when I get home.

            Cheers,
            --
            Andrew



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            From: Saxum Caribetum <saxum.caribetum@...>
            To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:20:27 AM
            Subject: Re: Fwd: [pcgen] [pathfinder] Shadowdancer Shadow Companion - Fortitude saves

            On 01/06/2010 18:09, Andrew Maitland wrote:
            > This has been fixed. Shadow Companion now uses the same Template as the rest of the Undead.
            >
            > Just need a confirm that it works.
            >   

            ah -yes - that was the stumbling block.

            Thanks for the careful attention!

            --
            Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
            ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
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          • Saxum Caribetum
            ... hudson is alive , but keeps timing out on me... I can t actually navigate through the website. -- Neil Taylor Creo Imaginem Mente ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++
            Message 5 of 7 , Jun 1, 2010
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              On 01/06/2010 19:39, Andrew Maitland wrote:
              > Well, JIRA makes it easier to do it that way.
              >
              > Bug - Reported - Confirmed - "Resolved" - Closed on Fix Confirmed by original poster (if possible)
              >
              > It does require our bug reporters to stay in touch to make sure the bug is fixed. Variables have been discovered where a bug has been thought fixed, but the bug was still present based upon how the user used the program.
              >
              > Case in point our recent Language Removal Issue - If you did it one at a time, it would work, if you did two or more it failed.
              >
              > Anyways, any chance you can download the 5.17.3 version and test it for us ;)
              >
              > If not, I'll see what I can do when I get home.
              >
              >

              hudson is "alive", but keeps timing out on me... I can't actually
              navigate through the website.

              --
              Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
              ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
              Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
              Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/
            • karianna03
              5.17.3 Should be available from SF now (or very shortly) K
              Message 6 of 7 , Jun 2, 2010
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                5.17.3 Should be available from SF now (or very shortly)

                K

                --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Saxum Caribetum <saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:
                >
                > On 01/06/2010 19:39, Andrew Maitland wrote:
                > > Well, JIRA makes it easier to do it that way.
                > >
                > > Bug - Reported - Confirmed - "Resolved" - Closed on Fix Confirmed by original poster (if possible)
                > >
                > > It does require our bug reporters to stay in touch to make sure the bug is fixed. Variables have been discovered where a bug has been thought fixed, but the bug was still present based upon how the user used the program.
                > >
                > > Case in point our recent Language Removal Issue - If you did it one at a time, it would work, if you did two or more it failed.
                > >
                > > Anyways, any chance you can download the 5.17.3 version and test it for us ;)
                > >
                > > If not, I'll see what I can do when I get home.
                > >
                > >
                >
                > hudson is "alive", but keeps timing out on me... I can't actually
                > navigate through the website.
                >
                > --
                > Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
                > ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
                > Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
                > Sub Rosa Ars Magica zine - http://www.subrosamagazine.org/
                >
              • Saxum Caribetum
                ... downloaded 5.17.3 from Sourceforge - installed & run. 1) Fortitude save not fixed - still shows +0 in Ability and Misc bonuses - ie using Con +0 rather
                Message 7 of 7 , Jun 2, 2010
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                  On 02/06/2010 13:37, karianna03 wrote:
                  > 5.17.3 Should be available from SF now (or very shortly)
                  >
                  > K
                  >
                  > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Saxum Caribetum<saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >> On 01/06/2010 19:39, Andrew Maitland wrote:
                  >>
                  >>> Well, JIRA makes it easier to do it that way.
                  >>>
                  >>> Bug - Reported - Confirmed - "Resolved" - Closed on Fix Confirmed by original poster (if possible)
                  >>>
                  >>> It does require our bug reporters to stay in touch to make sure the bug is fixed. Variables have been discovered where a bug has been thought fixed, but the bug was still present based upon how the user used the program.
                  >>>
                  >>> Case in point our recent Language Removal Issue - If you did it one at a time, it would work, if you did two or more it failed.
                  >>>
                  >>> Anyways, any chance you can download the 5.17.3 version and test it for us ;)
                  >>>
                  >>> If not, I'll see what I can do when I get home.
                  >>>


                  downloaded 5.17.3 from Sourceforge - installed & run.

                  1) Fortitude save not fixed - still shows +0 in Ability and Misc bonuses
                  - ie using "Con +0" rather than "Cha +2"

                  2) Melee still shows attack using "Ability +0", and "Misc +2" (ie Dex -
                  uses when "has no Str score" - incorporeal)

                  3) a new bug is revealed -- I whipped up a bare minimum character: Rog 5
                  Shad 3.
                  Now... this PC only has a base Fort/Will of +2 (+1 from Rog 5, +1 from
                  Shad 3), but the Shadow Companion has a Base save of +3 -- same as the
                  wild Shadow.

                  a quick return to the PFRPG - and p.392 clearly states ""the shadow uses
                  the shadowdancer's base attack bonus and base save bonuses".... but it
                  seems that actually it has been coded in PCGen like a Familiar, and uses
                  "the better of shadow and shadowdancer base save".


                  To reproduce

                  1. start a new PC, align TN, race any eg Human - and make dex at least 13
                  2. add Rogue levels, selecting Feats Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Mobility
                  along the way, select Perform (Dance) 3 and Stealth 5
                  3. add 3 levels of Shadowdancer
                  4. save

                  now

                  1. Inventory/resources/shadow companion [>]

                  look at the Dancer's base saves (Fort 2, Ref 6, Will 2) + Ability mods
                  look at the Sahdow's saves - base saves are 3/6/3, actual saves Fort 3
                  (3+0), Ref 8 (6+2), Will 4 (3+1)

                  not using Shadow's Cha +2 bonus but using Con +0.

                  this is true on Character sheet tab as both preview.htm and
                  troubleshooting.htm, and on the preview tab, and in export... to PDF
                  using d20\fantasy\pdf\csheet_fantasy_simple_grey.xslt


                  --
                  Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
                  ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++ Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
                  Saga site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/saxum.caribetum/
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