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  • Keith Coon
    I just downloaded the software yesterday and am using 5.16.1 with the new Pathfinder data set. My wizard is level 1 specialist (conjuration). The only thing
    Message 1 of 17 , Oct 6, 2009
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      I just downloaded the software yesterday and am using 5.16.1 with the
      new Pathfinder data set. My wizard is level 1 specialist
      (conjuration). The only thing I'm doing is following the list of
      things to be done. I gave him a 16 Int boosted +2 with the human
      ability boost for an 18 Int. The languages work correctly (i.e. 4),
      so I believe the 18 Int is being recognized. It also recognized my
      bonus human feat at 1st level.

      I haven't done any modifications or loaded any other data sets. I
      also haven't modified the House Rules tab in preferences... should be
      default settings. Let me know what other info. might be helpful for
      you. Thanks for your quick response.

      Keith


      On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Maitland wrote:

      > Keith Coon wrote:
      >
      > Hi Keith,
      > > I'm new to PCGen and I have a question. I can't seem to get PCGen to
      > > recognize my bonus skill point per level for being a human (it
      > says I
      > > have a max of 6 for a human wizard with an 18 Int, when I'm fairly
      > > certain that I should be getting 7). I'm using the new Pathfinder
      > > data set and I've looked through the FAQ and searched the posts,
      > but I
      > > haven't been able to determine the answer. Anyone had this issue
      > > before and know of a quick fix or something that I'm missing.
      > Thanks.
      > >
      >
      > This is a first to my knowledge. I quickly reviewed the set and the
      > gamemode, and a cursory glance shows everything to be in place.
      >
      > I then loaded up the set and made a wizard, non-specialist level 2,
      > with
      > an int of 18 as well. I got 7 skill pts per level as expected. This is
      > using 5.17.0-dev & 5.16.1.
      >
      > Which version of PCGen are you using?
      > What steps are you doing to get the results?
      >
      > Have you modified or are loading any homebrew or other sets?
      >
      > > Keith
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      > --
      >
      > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
      > Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
      > Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
      > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
      >
      >
      >



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    • Stefan Radermacher
      ... You probably added the class first, and the Int boost ability second. The skill points get set when you choose the class to level up in. You should try it
      Message 2 of 17 , Oct 6, 2009
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        On Tuesday 06 October 2009 22:26:58 Keith Coon wrote:
        > I just downloaded the software yesterday and am using 5.16.1 with the
        > new Pathfinder data set. My wizard is level 1 specialist
        > (conjuration). The only thing I'm doing is following the list of
        > things to be done. I gave him a 16 Int boosted +2 with the human
        > ability boost for an 18 Int. The languages work correctly (i.e. 4),
        > so I believe the 18 Int is being recognized. It also recognized my
        > bonus human feat at 1st level.

        You probably added the class first, and the Int boost ability second. The
        skill points get set when you choose the class to level up in. You should try
        it the other way round.

        Regards,
        Stefan.
      • Andrew Maitland
        Ah, that would explain it. Unless it s granted by the race, the +2 to INT won t add to Skill Ranks. I m not sure if that follows the Pathfinder Rules or not
        Message 3 of 17 , Oct 6, 2009
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          Ah, that would explain it.

          Unless it's granted by the race, the +2 to INT won't add to Skill Ranks. I'm not sure if that follows the Pathfinder Rules or not though.

          I'll have to look it up unless some else knows the answer off hand.

          There is a way to fix that. If your homebrew says the human +2 intelligence counts towards skill points, then you would just put a prexxx tag on the BONUS to the stat inside the RACE itself.

          Again, let me find out if this is following the rules or not.


          -Andrew M.




          ________________________________
          From: Keith Coon <kdcoon@...>
          To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:26:58 PM
          Subject: Re: [pcgen] Newbie Question

          I just downloaded the software yesterday and am using 5.16.1 with the 
          new Pathfinder data set.  My wizard is level 1 specialist 
          (conjuration).  The only thing I'm doing is following the list of 
          things to be done.  I gave him a 16 Int boosted +2 with the human 
          ability boost for an 18 Int.  The languages work correctly (i.e. 4), 
          so I believe the 18 Int is being recognized.  It also recognized my 
          bonus human feat at 1st level.

          I haven't done any modifications or loaded any other data sets.  I 
          also haven't modified the House Rules tab in preferences... should be 
          default settings.  Let me know what other info. might be helpful for 
          you.  Thanks for your quick response.

          Keith


          On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Maitland wrote:

          > Keith Coon wrote:
          >
          > Hi Keith,
          > > I'm new to PCGen and I have a question. I can't seem to get PCGen to
          > > recognize my bonus skill point per level for being a human (it 
          > says I
          > > have a max of 6 for a human wizard with an 18 Int, when I'm fairly
          > > certain that I should be getting 7). I'm using the new Pathfinder
          > > data set and I've looked through the FAQ and searched the posts, 
          > but I
          > > haven't been able to determine the answer. Anyone had this issue
          > > before and know of a quick fix or something that I'm missing. 
          > Thanks.
          > >
          >
          > This is a first to my knowledge. I quickly reviewed the set and the
          > gamemode, and a cursory glance shows everything to be in place.
          >
          > I then loaded up the set and made a wizard, non-specialist level 2, 
          > with
          > an int of 18 as well. I got 7 skill pts per level as expected. This is
          > using 5.17.0-dev & 5.16.1.
          >
          > Which version of PCGen are you using?
          > What steps are you doing to get the results?
          >
          > Have you modified or are loading any homebrew or other sets?
          >
          > > Keith
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          > --
          >
          > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
          > Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
          > Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
          > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
          >
          >
          >



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        • Keith Coon
          The +2 bonus to INT *is* granted by race. Humans get a +2 bonus to any one ability at creation to represent their varied nature (PFCR p. 27). Keith ...
          Message 4 of 17 , Oct 6, 2009
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            The +2 bonus to INT *is* granted by race. Humans get a +2 bonus to
            any one ability at creation to represent their varied nature (PFCR p.
            27).

            Keith

            On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Andrew Maitland wrote:

            > Ah, that would explain it.
            >
            > Unless it's granted by the race, the +2 to INT won't add to Skill
            > Ranks. I'm not sure if that follows the Pathfinder Rules or not
            > though.
            >
            > I'll have to look it up unless some else knows the answer off hand.
            >
            > There is a way to fix that. If your homebrew says the human +2
            > intelligence counts towards skill points, then you would just put a
            > prexxx tag on the BONUS to the stat inside the RACE itself.
            >
            > Again, let me find out if this is following the rules or not.
            >
            > -Andrew M.
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: Keith Coon <kdcoon@...>
            > To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:26:58 PM
            > Subject: Re: [pcgen] Newbie Question
            >
            > I just downloaded the software yesterday and am using 5.16.1 with the
            > new Pathfinder data set. My wizard is level 1 specialist
            > (conjuration). The only thing I'm doing is following the list of
            > things to be done. I gave him a 16 Int boosted +2 with the human
            > ability boost for an 18 Int. The languages work correctly (i.e. 4),
            > so I believe the 18 Int is being recognized. It also recognized my
            > bonus human feat at 1st level.
            >
            > I haven't done any modifications or loaded any other data sets. I
            > also haven't modified the House Rules tab in preferences... should be
            > default settings. Let me know what other info. might be helpful for
            > you. Thanks for your quick response.
            >
            > Keith
            >
            > On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Maitland wrote:
            >
            > > Keith Coon wrote:
            > >
            > > Hi Keith,
            > > > I'm new to PCGen and I have a question. I can't seem to get
            > PCGen to
            > > > recognize my bonus skill point per level for being a human (it
            > > says I
            > > > have a max of 6 for a human wizard with an 18 Int, when I'm fairly
            > > > certain that I should be getting 7). I'm using the new Pathfinder
            > > > data set and I've looked through the FAQ and searched the posts,
            > > but I
            > > > haven't been able to determine the answer. Anyone had this issue
            > > > before and know of a quick fix or something that I'm missing.
            > > Thanks.
            > > >
            > >
            > > This is a first to my knowledge. I quickly reviewed the set and the
            > > gamemode, and a cursory glance shows everything to be in place.
            > >
            > > I then loaded up the set and made a wizard, non-specialist level 2,
            > > with
            > > an int of 18 as well. I got 7 skill pts per level as expected.
            > This is
            > > using 5.17.0-dev & 5.16.1.
            > >
            > > Which version of PCGen are you using?
            > > What steps are you doing to get the results?
            > >
            > > Have you modified or are loading any homebrew or other sets?
            > >
            > > > Keith
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > > --
            > >
            > > Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
            > > Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
            > > Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
            > > Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
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          • Andrew Maitland
            Andrew Maitland wrote: Disregard, Stefan is correct. You need to set the Intelligence bonus first. -- Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing) Admin Silverback, PCGen
            Message 5 of 17 , Oct 6, 2009
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              Andrew Maitland wrote:

              Disregard, Stefan is correct. You need to set the Intelligence bonus first.

              --

              Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
              Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
              Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
              Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
            • Keith Coon
              That s the ticket right there. Thanks so much! I probably would ve never found that. Just for future reference, are there any other order of operation
              Message 6 of 17 , Oct 6, 2009
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                That's the ticket right there. Thanks so much! I probably would've
                never found that. Just for future reference, are there any other
                "order of operation" issues that I should be aware of?

                Keith

                On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:

                > On Tuesday 06 October 2009 22:26:58 Keith Coon wrote:
                > > I just downloaded the software yesterday and am using 5.16.1 with
                > the
                > > new Pathfinder data set. My wizard is level 1 specialist
                > > (conjuration). The only thing I'm doing is following the list of
                > > things to be done. I gave him a 16 Int boosted +2 with the human
                > > ability boost for an 18 Int. The languages work correctly (i.e. 4),
                > > so I believe the 18 Int is being recognized. It also recognized my
                > > bonus human feat at 1st level.
                >
                > You probably added the class first, and the Int boost ability
                > second. The
                > skill points get set when you choose the class to level up in. You
                > should try
                > it the other way round.
                >
                > Regards,
                > Stefan.
                >
                >



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              • Stefan Radermacher
                ... Basically it s just Intelligence-based stuff that need to be handled carefully. One other thing is, add all bonus languages before adding the second class
                Message 7 of 17 , Oct 7, 2009
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                  On Tuesday 06 October 2009 23:17:27 Keith Coon wrote:
                  > That's the ticket right there. Thanks so much! I probably would've
                  > never found that. Just for future reference, are there any other
                  > "order of operation" issues that I should be aware of?

                  Basically it's just Intelligence-based stuff that need to be handled
                  carefully. One other thing is, add all bonus languages before adding the
                  second class level.

                  Also you can never be wrong if you fill all ability pools on the racial
                  ability tab before adding a class.

                  Regards,
                  Stefan.
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