- I was under the mistaken impression that Patten had been cut. I don t recall where I had heard that either so it may just be my error alone. He is still onMessage 1 of 2 , Jul 27, 2006View Source
I was under the mistaken impression that Patten had been cut. I don’t recall where I had heard that either so it may just be my error alone. He is still on the Redskin’s roster.
Perhaps I do under value Branch a little and until I see one of our former receivers do well under a different quarterback I probably will continue to do so.
From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:36 PM
Subject: [patriotzip] Patten
You mentioned Patten some months back and while he may become available, he is still under contract with the Redskins and they may or may not move him before the season arrives. As such that particular logic isn't holding with me. I'd welcome him back quickly if he did hit the market and I bet he'd love to return.
No doubt Wayne isn't worth his contract. I think you might under-value Branch a bit though I agree Brady makes Branch bettter. I'd still say that Branch is in the second tier of top receivers - somewhere around 8-10. His quickness gets him open and his hands are excellent. He also runs very precise routes and that trio are all valuable.
I would not offer Branch a one year deal at htis point. If it's one year then I'd ride out this contract as I expect he'd come in and take the free agency of next year. I say this with a business perspective as I think he deserves more than this year's rate but if I'm not getting more time from him I'd be hard pressed to raise that bar much.
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From: Don Diamant
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] The Deion dilema...
While I think Branch has an exaggerated ego I can see why he thinks he’s worth as much as Reggie Wayne. The problem lies in the fact that Reggie Wayne isn’t worth Reggie Wayne money. I don’t see how Indianapolis manages to stay under the cap whilst over paying so many players. Perhaps they just over spend on their offense and that why their defense is unimpressive. That would also explain why they get clobbered in the playoffs too. But we were discussing Branch. It is interesting to see that the league imposed a penalty for holdouts this year. The holdout penalty is $14,000 a day. It doesn’t take many days before that will start to hurt even the players with the highest salaries.
I just don’t see how holding out any longer is in Branch’s best interests. The Patriots have made him a fair offer. Holding out hurts him financially and it will hurt his future production and thus future value. I also think Brady makes his receivers look better than they actually are to Branch’s advantage.
It will be interesting to see how well Givens does this year in another system. If he is extremely successful then perhaps it isn’t all Brady who just makes them look good. I’m not convinced this is the case and will be surprised if he is still the same impact player he has been with the patriots.
I keeping hearing a lot of so called media experts describing out receiver corp as desperately needing Branch. I don’t agree, I think we have good talent there and a very promising prospect. Couple that with Brady’s ability to spread the ball around and we can move the ball against any team and there is nothing lacking about that.
If BB and Pioli really believed we were in desperate straights at the WR position they would have looked for and signed an elite WR. Branch is good but he’s hardly elite. Perhaps they should consider offering him a one year deal and let him test the waters of free agency next year?
Don’t forget, Patten is still available. Call me crazy but I think a healthy Patten is a good receiver in our system. Whatever happens I’m not concerned in the least about or WR position. I think we have a very strong team and the only signing I’m concerned with is Maroney who will eventually replace Dillion.
From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:21 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] The Deion dilema...
The first and strongest response is responsibility - fiscal and otherwise. I think Branch is an excellent receiver and an integral part in our success past and future. He is worth more than the salary he is scheduled to receive this season. While I lack confidence in the validity of any of the Contract 'demands' and 'offers' we've heard thus far, the fact is the Pats have done a reasonably good job of evaluating talent reward rates and staying fiscally responsible. I think on occasion they've strayed a bit on the cheap side and it has cost us but the results in general say I'm mistaken. I'll continue to trust them to stay responsible and work with Branch to reach some proper new contract.
I fully expect Branch to miss some of training camp. This will be an excellent chance for our question marks of Jackson and more to get more reps and more integration into the system. I'd rather have Branch present and working but I trust him to be in condition and I'll take the work. I absolutely worry that if we over-extend for Branch this will cost us continually for the next bunch of years. Law turned down our numbers and has fled which gives the team more cap slack but that does not mean we restructure the value of Branch. Branch's value is known to the team and I hope they do get him more money and a longer term deal. I believe that with him and the rest of the offense, this year would be a talented and productive offensive season.
One key fact which many have not mentioned is that without playing in sufficient games this year, Branch does not earn the privilege to be an unrestricted free agent next year. He needs to get into camp and we need him in camp. Comprimise but keep it reasonable.
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:38 AM
Subject: [patriotzip] The Deion dilema...
Deion is scheduled to make just over $1M this year. We would all agree,
well below his value. From what I've read, he's been offered 3yrs,
averaging $6M per year or 4 yrs averaging $5M; but it's heavily back
loaded, and the signing bonus is split over two years. His agent
insists that he deserves Reggie Wayne money (6yrs, $40M, $13.5M signing
1) Have the Pats dealt in good faith by virtue of their offer?
2) Does Deion deserve Reggie Wayne money, or do the Colts just lack
3) Can we find compromise here (adjust the loading, slight bump in
total value of package, up front bonus, etc.), or are they just too far
4) Should the Pats blink, and give him something close to Wayne money,
because we're "thin" at receiver?