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  • Mark Morse
    I said this to co-workers before free agency starts that Welker was the easiest to replace amomg the big three Patriots Free Agents.  Not that I thought it
    Message 1 of 3 , Mar 16, 2013
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      I said this to co-workers before free agency starts that Welker was the easiest to replace amomg the big three Patriots Free Agents.  Not that I thought it would happen but understood that we needed to re-sign Talib because of the position he played.  I had correctly predicted that Amedola would be the Welker replacement.  Thats not to say that Amendola will be as good as Welker, but he is 4 years younger and doesn't drop the ball as much as Welker.  This was simply a case where Welkers agents were pumping him up, and Welker himself actually believed he was worth more than the 2 year 16M a year the Patriots were offering.  This was while Welker was enjoying his guaranteed Franchise year.  The Patriots franchised him for the purpose of negotiating a long term deal.  Welker wasn't buying what the Patriots were selling.  The Patriots were pissed that Welker was taking them to the wall again and lowered their offer.  Their idea was they had paid him more than he was worth during the Franchise year,  Welker's feeling is that they took advantage of him during his 100 catch seasons and was owed that money because he had outplayed his contract.
       
      The market for slot receivers is $5M a year.  Welker was insulted by this offer.  Turns out the Patriots correctly read the market.  As soon as Welker stated he was going to Free Agency, the Patriots went to plan B (Amendola).  Some reports state that the Patriots actually signed Amendola on Tuesday and didn't announce  it until Wednesday after Welker announced he signed with Denver.  Amendola's contract is 5 years for $28.5 not the $31.5 that was reported.  That is slightly over $5M a year and incentive bonus $2.5M based on games played (injury hedge).  He has a $6M signing bonus, $2M salary in year one is guaranteed as is 2 of 3M in year 2.  The rest is not guaranteed and is increasing to $6M in year 5.  That is almost identical to the two year offer made to Welker (not the length due to age difference).  I saw a report today that Welker has concussion issues (not at all surprised with the abuse he has taken over the years) and the hit he took in the AFC Championship is the reason he dropped three balls in that game.  Welker was one of the league leaders in dropped passes (1 of every 12), whereas Almendola (1 in every 22) is once of the more reliable.
       
      Overall, I like what the Patriots have done so far.  I don't like the Washington for Woodhead move.  However, Wilson, Arrington and Talib resignings should help the defense.  We need to do more!  A pass rusher, aother CB and a WR or two would really round things out.  I think Vollmer will be gone as soon as Jake Long makes up his mind who he is going to play for. 
       
      Mark Morse
      Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
      http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/
    • Stephen Basile
      That s a solid assessment Mark. I am often surprised by BB personnel moves, and sometimes really disappointed by them, but ultimately, he is right far more
      Message 2 of 3 , Mar 17, 2013
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        That's a solid assessment Mark.

        I am often surprised by BB personnel moves, and sometimes really disappointed by them, but ultimately, he is right far more often than he is wrong.  Except for Samuel and Seymour, most of the guys we let go over the years did progressively worse every year they were away.  

        He's no dummy, and HE  sees these guys every day; we see them  for 3 hours once a week for 16 weeks.

        Looking forward to greatness again. 

        Baze
        -- 
        Steve Basile
        Manager/Partner
        B.D. Riley's Irish Pub
        Austin, TX
        Official Home: Austin Patriots Club
        Web: www.bdrileys.com

        On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Mark Morse <packy001@...> wrote:

         

        I said this to co-workers before free agency starts that Welker was the easiest to replace amomg the big three Patriots Free Agents.  Not that I thought it would happen but understood that we needed to re-sign Talib because of the position he played.  I had correctly predicted that Amedola would be the Welker replacement.  Thats not to say that Amendola will be as good as Welker, but he is 4 years younger and doesn't drop the ball as much as Welker.  This was simply a case where Welkers agents were pumping him up, and Welker himself actually believed he was worth more than the 2 year 16M a year the Patriots were offering.  This was while Welker was enjoying his guaranteed Franchise year.  The Patriots franchised him for the purpose of negotiating a long term deal.  Welker wasn't buying what the Patriots were selling.  The Patriots were pissed that Welker was taking them to the wall again and lowered their offer.  Their idea was they had paid him more than he was worth during the Franchise year,  Welker's feeling is that they took advantage of him during his 100 catch seasons and was owed that money because he had outplayed his contract.
         
        The market for slot receivers is $5M a year.  Welker was insulted by this offer.  Turns out the Patriots correctly read the market.  As soon as Welker stated he was going to Free Agency, the Patriots went to plan B (Amendola).  Some reports state that the Patriots actually signed Amendola on Tuesday and didn't announce  it until Wednesday after Welker announced he signed with Denver.  Amendola's contract is 5 years for $28.5 not the $31.5 that was reported.  That is slightly over $5M a year and incentive bonus $2.5M based on games played (injury hedge).  He has a $6M signing bonus, $2M salary in year one is guaranteed as is 2 of 3M in year 2.  The rest is not guaranteed and is increasing to $6M in year 5.  That is almost identical to the two year offer made to Welker (not the length due to age difference).  I saw a report today that Welker has concussion issues (not at all surprised with the abuse he has taken over the years) and the hit he took in the AFC Championship is the reason he dropped three balls in that game.  Welker was one of the league leaders in dropped passes (1 of every 12), whereas Almendola (1 in every 22) is once of the more reliable.
         
        Overall, I like what the Patriots have done so far.  I don't like the Washington for Woodhead move.  However, Wilson, Arrington and Talib resignings should help the defense.  We need to do more!  A pass rusher, aother CB and a WR or two would really round things out.  I think Vollmer will be gone as soon as Jake Long makes up his mind who he is going to play for. 
         
        Mark Morse
        Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
        http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/


      • George Richman
        I think that Amendola and Hernandez will, as a tandem, replace Welker s production easily. And, as has always been the case for me on a personal level, I ll
        Message 3 of 3 , Mar 17, 2013
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          I think that Amendola and Hernandez will, as a tandem, replace Welker's production easily. And, as has always been the case for me on a personal level, I'll never miss a player who leaves for more millions than the millions the Patriots could afford to pay. To Welker, I say, "Thanks for 6 exciting and productive years. Now don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!" Same thoughts I've had about every player who left the Patriots for more money elsewhere, with millions held out to them in New England. 

          I certainly oppose the socialist policy of spreading the wealth on a national basis; but it is, beyond question, the best way to ensure a continuously competitive, winning NFL team under the salary cap system. Some players get that, and care enough to sacrifice a little bit of their great wealth; some prefer ego satisfaction to the satisfaction of team victories. I reserve most of my respect for the former. 

          On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen Basile <avatar@...> wrote:
           

          That's a solid assessment Mark.

          I am often surprised by BB personnel moves, and sometimes really disappointed by them, but ultimately, he is right far more often than he is wrong.  Except for Samuel and Seymour, most of the guys we let go over the years did progressively worse every year they were away.  

          He's no dummy, and HE  sees these guys every day; we see them  for 3 hours once a week for 16 weeks.

          Looking forward to greatness again. 

          Baze
          -- 
          Steve Basile
          Manager/Partner
          B.D. Riley's Irish Pub
          Austin, TX
          Official Home: Austin Patriots Club
          Web: www.bdrileys.com

          On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Mark Morse <packy001@...> wrote:

           

          I said this to co-workers before free agency starts that Welker was the easiest to replace amomg the big three Patriots Free Agents.  Not that I thought it would happen but understood that we needed to re-sign Talib because of the position he played.  I had correctly predicted that Amedola would be the Welker replacement.  Thats not to say that Amendola will be as good as Welker, but he is 4 years younger and doesn't drop the ball as much as Welker.  This was simply a case where Welkers agents were pumping him up, and Welker himself actually believed he was worth more than the 2 year 16M a year the Patriots were offering.  This was while Welker was enjoying his guaranteed Franchise year.  The Patriots franchised him for the purpose of negotiating a long term deal.  Welker wasn't buying what the Patriots were selling.  The Patriots were pissed that Welker was taking them to the wall again and lowered their offer.  Their idea was they had paid him more than he was worth during the Franchise year,  Welker's feeling is that they took advantage of him during his 100 catch seasons and was owed that money because he had outplayed his contract.
           
          The market for slot receivers is $5M a year.  Welker was insulted by this offer.  Turns out the Patriots correctly read the market.  As soon as Welker stated he was going to Free Agency, the Patriots went to plan B (Amendola).  Some reports state that the Patriots actually signed Amendola on Tuesday and didn't announce  it until Wednesday after Welker announced he signed with Denver.  Amendola's contract is 5 years for $28.5 not the $31.5 that was reported.  That is slightly over $5M a year and incentive bonus $2.5M based on games played (injury hedge).  He has a $6M signing bonus, $2M salary in year one is guaranteed as is 2 of 3M in year 2.  The rest is not guaranteed and is increasing to $6M in year 5.  That is almost identical to the two year offer made to Welker (not the length due to age difference).  I saw a report today that Welker has concussion issues (not at all surprised with the abuse he has taken over the years) and the hit he took in the AFC Championship is the reason he dropped three balls in that game.  Welker was one of the league leaders in dropped passes (1 of every 12), whereas Almendola (1 in every 22) is once of the more reliable.
           
          Overall, I like what the Patriots have done so far.  I don't like the Washington for Woodhead move.  However, Wilson, Arrington and Talib resignings should help the defense.  We need to do more!  A pass rusher, aother CB and a WR or two would really round things out.  I think Vollmer will be gone as soon as Jake Long makes up his mind who he is going to play for. 
           
          Mark Morse
          Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
          http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/





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