Re: [patriotzip] Frustrating Loss
- No, they did do a good job with that final drive, but I think that we beat ourselves long before that. Such a shame, in my opinion, with our missed chances. It's not just on Welker for the one pass, but rather other things that would have rendered the Giants' last drive moot.----- Original Message -----From: Mike BensonSent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:07 AMSubject: Re: [patriotzip] Frustrating LossTrue enough. If Welker doesn't drop THE pass, we win. But he's not perfect and either was the pass. And you can't take the final Giants drive away from them. THAT wasn't beating ourselves — that was getting whipped for 88 long yards.
From: Susan Moore <scmoore90@...>
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Frustrating LossYeah, that is true enough...just wish it didn't come down to that. The awesome TD drive to start the second half really made me think that we had our "stuff" back and that we'd score another TD before the end of the game, surely?I'll give the Giants (reluctantly, because I hate them for Cowboys fan reasons) kudos for making the plays necessary to win, but do I think that they "beat" us? No, we beat ourselves and that's hard to take. Did the 1986 Bears beat us? Heck, yes--that was a whooping and nothing we could have done would have changed that. But yesterday was a beat our selves day and a mismanaged day and that is what hurts.Brady can't watch the 2008 replay yet and now the knife is there again.----- Original Message -----From: Mike BensonSent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:38 AMSubject: Re: [patriotzip] Frustrating LossSusan: Correction — Without the safety, Brady would not have had to go 80 yards with just 57 seconds and one time out for a desperate and all but impossible touchdown — he would have been driving for enough real estate to kick a field goal FOR THE WIN! Plus, if BB hadn't made the mistake of challenging the Manningham catch, Brady would have had another time out to work with.
From: Mike Benson <mbenson321@...>
To: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com>
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Frustrating LossSusan, the reason the safety could have been the difference in the game is that on our final drive, Brady would not have had to go 80 yards with just 57 seconds and one time out for a desperate and all but impossible touchdown — he would have been driving for enough real estate to kick a tying field goal and take the game into OT. Plus, if BB hadn't made the mistake of challenging the Manningham catch, Brady would have had another time out to work with.
From: Susan Moore <scmoore90@...>
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Frustrating LossYou're right, well beyond frustrating and I think that we "shoulda" had it. The safety WAS a stupid move, but only one move. I don't think that's the difference in the game because the final score would have been 19-17. Was it a turning point? I don't think so because being down 9-0 is not that bad--then we got our rhythm going and went up 10-9. That touchdown to start the second half was vintage Brady, so I thought we were on the right track. What happened to the vintage after that touchdown? I mean, we held them to TWO field goals and were still ahead, then lost our mojo? Should not lose your mojo in a game like that. Maybe Brady needs a sports psychologist besides more time in the gym? Many players of all sports have used them and said the results are good.The dang thing that I'm mad about is that the Giants have had our number in that SB and one regular season game before this (we won in 2007 regular) and they yap about what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. Don't we see it coming? Come on coaches, plan for it--the are verbally telling us what they are going to do for crying out loud. I don't remember what other games we've played with them, with the current players and staff.----- Original Message -----From: Mark MorseSent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:54 AMSubject: [patriotzip] Frustrating LossWhat could have been ... What should have been ... I don't know what is more frustrating, the fact that so many of Eli Mannings passes were thrown high and his receivers (especially Hakeem Nicks) were making spectacular grabs or Tom Brady was so out of rythym, missing wide open receivers (Wes Welker is beating himself up over not making the catch) or throwing behind receivers (Branch twice) and not leading the reciever or just flat out underthrowing a wide open Gromkowski that led to a crucual INT. I know our defense is not great, but they played their asses off. The stupid play calling that led to a safety (the actual difference in the game) and then the short field after the punt. They just were not ready to start the game! This has happened all year and we said it would bite us in the ass in the playoffs and it did yesterday. Twelve men on the field when you get a turnover to stop them ... Unbelieveable lack of discipline. Bama brought it up earlier ... lack of fundermentals of how to cover a fumble! That is one thing Coach Coconuts (Ray Berry) would practice all the time..
- I disagree on Branch. He knows the system and has Brady's trust. He can be brought back at a lower salary. Free Agent Brandon Lloyd has stated publicly that he would like to follow McDaniels wherever he goes. That would be a big time receiver that also knows McDaniels system.Mark Morse Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/From: David Price <castsashadow@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: [patriotzip] Offseason moves?
Two guys who I don't think should be back next year are Ochocinco and Deon Branch. Neither reciever helped us win games this year. I think Branch had one good game, but that's not good enough, and his time is past. The Pats need a legitimate threat as the number two receiver and Deon is no longer that. As for Ochocinco, we got more production from Brandon Tate last year, so what does that tell you? I wouldn't mind if they developed a rookie as the third receiver, but with Tate and Price already gone, looks like they'd be starting over, yet again. On defense, I think they need help at safety more than anywhere else. Be nice to have a leader back there again, like Rodney Harrison.
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