RE: [patriotzip] The OC
- Thanks for mentioning those short pass routes, Don. I forgot to discuss
that in my criticisms of the OC. At least 3 times that I can recall, our
"short" or "check down" receivers were running routes that were 3-4 yards
short of the required yardage for a 1st down, when that required yardage was
only 7 yards or less. WTF is that?! Why aren't the routes designed for the
cut to be made either right at, or a yard BEYOND the sticks?!
If it happened on one play, it could be chalked up to some anomaly in the
play. But, as I said, this happened repeatedly in this game; and has
happened often in other games (though, I admit, I failed to take note of it
before, since I don't think it was as prevalent as it was in this one).
The whole offensive picture is screwed up under our "OC in training". Too
long to get plays in. Brady's unfamiliarity with the plays (as evidenced by
the wrist band that some have mentioned). Poor route design that leaves guys
short of 1st downs on 3rd or 4th down plays. Failure to get either Moss or
Welker free as often as they should be. Horrible play calling in critical
situations. (Where is BB's famous "situational football" in our play
calling?!) We have practically abandoned screen passes, and flare passes, to
RBs. TEs are woefully under-utilized.
Our offensive game plans, play design, and play calling SUCK. It is time for
BB to close the "Belichick Coaching Academy", and hire EXPERIENCED,
SUCCESSFUL Coordinators for BOTH the offense and the defense. Face it, the
Patriots have not been Super Bowl Champions since the "Three Amigos" split
up. The experience of Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis brought a lot to our
team. If nothing else, it allowed Belichick to focus on the "big picture",
as a HC should, rather than spreading himself too thin, and micro managing
along the sidelines in every single game. Think about it. Does it ever
appear that he is leaving decisions and "coaching" to his "BCA" assistants?
One man can't run an NFL team by himself, assisted by a bunch of trainees.
CLOSE THE "BCA", AND HIRE EXPERIENCED COORDINATORS NEXT SEASON!
From: patriots-bounces@... [mailto:patriots-bounces@...] On
Behalf Of Don Diamant
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:09 PM
Cc: 'Patriot List'
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] The OC
To be fair Brady would have hit on a few long pass attempts but blatant PI
cancelled them out. The one that comes to mind most was at the end of the
2nd quarter to Ben Watson on the goal line. I didn't even need to see the
close up replay to notice the defender never turned his head and put his arm
so far into Watson's face that he made contact with the facemask. I think
that maybe eight guys tops missed that offense and they happened to all be
wearing black and white stripes. Now I'm not saying that cost us the game,
our porous offensive line, the questionable offensive plays like our
receivers being 5 yds short of the first down marker on 3rd and long, and
our seemingly out to lunch defense cost us the game. Just let's be fair,
Brady really only missed on maybe two long attempts, a lot of PI was
committed in this game and we got away with a few too, the difference was
our defense left guys wide open and their defense did not. That's not
Brady's fault. His misses on short attempts now that's another story, why
is he struggling on the short attempts? We've got a slew of good receivers,
I think we have an offensive scheming problem and that's a coaching issue.
We got out played and out coached, I'm only interested in Miami from here on
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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] The OC
Time management is a problem. Also, was it just me ... or did it seem that
Brees was just nailing every single long pass, and Brady couldn't hit one
for the life of him. I know the Pats have hit on a couple of long balls
this year, but I think there have been way too many missed.
From: RandyZ. Pierce <alaric02@...>
Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 7:50:46 AM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] The OC
NO doubt the exaggeration here is too severe for me but I agree that the
offense is far too out of synch. Where is our vaunted two minute offense
which let's Brady manage the defense ahead of him, the play call and the
time management to keep the defense off base. Drew was more Brady-like than
Brady not just n the execution but in the management. Much of that is a
sign of the offensive discomfort with the system.
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Subject: [patriotzip] The OC
> The Patriots have made just about every defense they've played against
> like the '85 Bears this season. I've really had it with the Bill O'Brien
> GET AN OC NEXT YEAR, BELICHICK!!
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- I'm in complete agreement in the frustration of running a three yard route when the play needs 5 for a first down. I
assume that some of these routes are not designed for distance but for defensive reaction which only intensifies the
frustration. Run a route which is geared to distance when distance is what you most need. The exception to this is
the WR screen and quick passes which are based upon needing some YAC but I'd caveat that these aren't ideal plays for
needed distance - particularly when defenses are prepped for such.
We actually did run the screen passes to the back a fair bit more Monday George and had mixed success on them. Of
course we had one run against us for the Saints first touchdown and Burgess totally misplayed it to give up the 18 yard
In regards to the coordinators, I disagree with you here. The last Superbowl we won was under Weiss and Crennell for
certain though in 2007 we were clearly still playing Championship level football. The trouble isn't entirely we
haven't found successful coordinators as Mangini (washes mouth out with soap) and McDaniels were both good at their job
as well. We've just transitioned a little too frequently for the stability which best helps a program be successful.
I agree that O'Brien isn't the right candidate based on this year's performances but I also agree that a quality
coordinator usually wants their own system and prior to this year I'd have been hesitant to overly disrupt the system
with which Brady, Moss and Welker had so much comfort. I really believe the lack of a quality third receiver and
severe offensive line troubles are bothering this system nearly as much as the poor coordinator work.
Two years ago we brought in Dom Capers (a legitimate coordinator) who was useless in getting better defensive play out
of the unit and he was also quickly out the door for a better job.
I do think BB takes too much on his shoulders and I do think we need to bring in a few more coaches in the off-season
with at least one serious consideration for a better OC candidate. I also think BB saw enough in these guys to think
they can win with them and I hope he really calls out all the coaches this week to up their game considerably for the