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  • RandyZ. Pierce
    We can blame BB for the continued rumor and/or potential for Wilson. Having played him at CB through most of camp last year he had folks thinking about it.
    Message 1 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
      We can blame BB for the continued rumor and/or
      potential for Wilson. Having played him at CB through
      most of camp last year he had folks thinking about it.

      Honestly in New England's systems BB will play Ty Law
      at Safety and Rodney Harrison at corner when it suits
      him - well probably not playing Ty this year but it
      was a solid example as he did it extensively in a game
      to thwart the Colts.
      Our Safeties and Corners will do some mixing and
      mingling - heck Troy Brown might someday play a few
      snaps at Corner...

      Go Pats!
      Zip

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      Why are people always talking about Eugene Wilson
      playing Corner? He's
      spent his entire time in the pros playing safety, it's
      been 4 seasons now
      it's probably time to let that dream die.

      On 6/5/07, George <patswingr@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > ***** As for this season, if a trade doesn't include
      > a good starting CB,
      > which seems unlikely, it looks like Hobbs on one
      > side, and either Tori
      > James
      > or Eugene Wilson on the other, as our CBs. That
      > doesn't seem like a
      > disaster
      > to me. It's certainly not as bad as what happened to
      > our WR corps last
      > year.
      >
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    • George
      ***** Valid point, Chris. In fact, yesterday, I forgot to include among the options the one that I told Randy I preferred in an off-list discussion a few days
      Message 2 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
        ***** Valid point, Chris. In fact, yesterday, I forgot to include among the options the one that I told Randy I preferred in an off-list discussion a few days ago. That is putting Meriweather at CB, with Wilson in his regular FS spot. Meriweather did play some CB at Miami, and, so I've read, has the tools to play there. Wilson has always been criticized for having some problems with the quick hip turn required of a CB in cover situations. So I'd really favor a secondary of Hobbs and Meriweather at CB, Harrison at SS, and Wilson at FS. Tori James, Chad Scott, and Artrell Hawkins provide solid veteran depth behind that group; while the best of the kids round out the secondary roster. 
         
        ***** I think there's a very real possibility that, if Wilson is healthy, and shows some of the improvement that should come with experience, the lineup I noted above can actually be at least as good as what we'd have with Samuel. In any case, as I said yesterday, the secondary is not a disaster area without our one year wonder.  
         

        George
        Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!

         


        From: fnordcircle [mailto:fnordcircle@...]
        Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:14 AM
        To: George
        Cc: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com; Bosco Patriot Listt
        Subject: Re: Reiss Quote from Samuels

        Why are people always talking about Eugene Wilson playing Corner?  He's spent his entire time in the pros playing safety, it's been 4 seasons now it's probably time to let that dream die.

        On 6/5/07, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

        ***** As for this season, if a trade doesn't include a good starting CB,
        which seems unlikely, it looks like Hobbs on one side, and either Tori James
        or Eugene Wilson on the other, as our CBs. That doesn't seem like a disaster
        to me. It's certainly not as bad as what happened to our WR corps last year.
      • rockmaul74@aol.com
        freaking baby.....if he doesnt want 7 million this year to play a kids game, i ll be in foxboro to take his place in a heartbeat
        Message 3 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
          freaking baby.....if he doesnt want 7 million this year to play a kids game, i'll be in foxboro to take his place in a heartbeat


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        • Don Diamant
          Clearly the Patriots made some mistakes with the handling of Branch but they held all the cards and probably never considered that the NFL would step in and
          Message 4 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007

             

            Clearly the Patriots made some mistakes with the handling of Branch but they held all the cards and probably never considered that the NFL would step in and force them to give up the upper hand against their will.  If they are smart they let Samuel do what he will and if he decides to hold out until week ten bench him for the rest of the season.  When the season is over franchise him again and let him hold out again.  I think they need to make a statement.  As for Samuel’s comments they are as absurd as Law’s infamous “I gotta eat.”  I can’t believe he’s going to walk away from a nearly 8 million dollar deal for one year.  I just can’t begin to understand that level of greed but perhaps it’s just me.

             

            Don

          • George
            ***** I don t think you can label this type of action by a player and his leech as greed alone, Don. I think it s a combination of greed and ego. How much of
            Message 5 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
              ***** I don't think you can label this type of action by a player and his leech as greed alone, Don. I think it's a combination of greed and ego. How much of each probably varies with each player, and each leech.
               
              ***** Players like Bruschi and Brady surely have their egos under better control than players like Branch and Samuel. Players, like all of us, differ as to the importance they place on "mo' money", beyond some very subjective level. Some players see their (public) contract numbers as the most important public declaration of their level of success. Others measure it differently. Right and wrong? I don't think there is a right and wrong in this. It's a matter of personal philosophy.
               
              ***** Leeches also differ in their approach to thier job, and the responsibilities that come with it. Some appear to be most concerned with enhancing their own reputations, and, in their view, increasing their client base as a result. All certainly have to give some importance to that, since it's their livelihood. But the weight which they appear to place on that, compared to the weight they place upon what is truly best for their client, is as varied as any other personal philosophy. Unlike the players, however, I feel that there is some degree of "right and wrong" with leeches, since they do have a moral responsibility to their clients. Some of them, in my opinion, ignore that responsibility.
               
              ***** In any case, I think there are few, if any, of the leeches who have any concern at all for what is best for the team. Some players do feel some obligation in that direction, again, to varying degrees.
               
              ***** In the end, everybody has to look out for #1. The question in negotiations always comes down to the weight that is placed upon that primary concern by all 3 parties involved: the team, the player, and the leech. There are an incredible number of alternate outcomes as a result of those variables. But at least the players and management, as a group, bring something to the game itself. The leeches, on the other hand, add nothing of value for us, the fans.
               

              George
              Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!

               


              From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Diamant
              Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:57 AM
              To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: 'Bosco Patriot Listt'
              Subject: RE: [patriotzip] Reiss Quote from Samuels

              Clearly the Patriots made some mistakes with the handling of Branch but they held all the cards and probably never considered that the NFL would step in and force them to give up the upper hand against their will.  If they are smart they let Samuel do what he will and if he decides to hold out until week ten bench him for the rest of the season.  When the season is over franchise him again and let him hold out again.  I think they need to make a statement.  As for Samuel’s comments they are as absurd as Law’s infamous “I gotta eat.”  I can’t believe he’s going to walk away from a nearly 8 million dollar deal for one year.  I just can’t begin to understand that level of greed but perhaps it’s just me.

              Don

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