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  • Orgone
    Gotta disagree here. I saw the hit too, as they showed it over and over on TV while he was laying on the field waiting for the ambulance. Tatum didn t hit him
    Message 1 of 5 , Apr 6, 2007
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      Gotta disagree here. I saw the hit too, as they showed it over and over on TV while he was laying on the field waiting for the ambulance. Tatum didn't hit him that hard. The damage was done because Stingley spun around in the air and landed on his neck. The force of Stingley's body hitting the ground that way broke his neck. I don't think Tatum could have planned to injure him, it happened too fast and Tatum had no control over how Stingley would land. Tatum didn't even hit him low. You could argue that if Stingley didn't leap so high for the ball it never would have happened. Very unfortunate but I can't fault Tatum for intent to injure.

      Harry



      At 11:16 AM 4/6/2007 +0700, you wrote:

      ***** I second most of your thoughts, Randy, most strongly the fond remembrance of Stingley's play, and his post injury courage. However, I don't agree with your intimation that Tatum's hit was no worse than most of that era. Yes, there was no rule against hard hits on "defenseless receivers", as there is today. But most hard hitters didn't use the clothesline type of hit that Tatum used on Stingley. As you know, I was in the stadium in Oakland for that game, nearly directly over the spot where it happened. That was a cheap shot, typical of the play of the Raiders, as encouraged by owner Al Davis. I most strongly "fault Tatum for the hit"!

       

      George
      Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!


      From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
      Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:08 PM
      To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [patriotzip] Stingley Dies ...

      I didn't see the hit live but I remember how much it
      shocked me - made me realize how dangerous the sport
      could be. I don't fault Tatum for the hit but he
      continued to prove himself a classless loser in his
      response afterwards. Sure the hit was late and after
      the pass was gone but it was not uncommon to play the
      game hard and send messages to receivers. It is
      uncommon to not feel remorse for the injury and to not
      wish the person well. The lowest of the low was when
      Tatum staged a meeting for an 'alledged apology' which
      was just a publicity stunt (with no apology) to help
      him sell a book.

      Stingley gave the greatest price possible to the game
      and our team - I'll long remember him well for what he
      represented in courage in handling his paralysis.

      Zip

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      Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:55 AM
      Subject: Bad News

      Former Patriots receiver Darryl Stingley, who was left
      paralyzed after an
      on-field hit in 1978, has died, the Associated Press
      is reporting. He was
      55.

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    • Don Diamant
      Harry, I have to disagree with you here. I just can not see how it can be argued that Stingley caused his own injury. It was the way in which Tatum hit him
      Message 2 of 5 , Apr 6, 2007
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        Harry, I have to disagree with you here.  I just can not see how it can be argued that Stingley caused his own injury.  It was the way in which Tatum hit him that caused him to land badly.  If Tatum had hit him cleanly with his shoulder it is much less likely he would have landed badly.  It is the way in which Tatum hit him that caused him to land badly.  I won’t ever justify an obvious cheap shot.  But you apparently are not alone in this as it seems the NFL is willing to let anything go as long as a QB or a paralyzation isn’t involved or so it seems.

         

         

        Don

         


        From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Orgone
        Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:56 AM
        To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [patriotzip] Stingley Dies ...

         

        Gotta disagree here. I saw the hit too, as they showed it over and over on TV while he was laying on the field waiting for the ambulance. Tatum didn't hit him that hard. The damage was done because Stingley spun around in the air and landed on his neck. The force of Stingley's body hitting the ground that way broke his neck. I don't think Tatum could have planned to injure him, it happened too fast and Tatum had no control over how Stingley would land. Tatum didn't even hit him low. You could argue that if Stingley didn't leap so high for the ball it never would have happened. Very unfortunate but I can't fault Tatum for intent to injure.

        Harry



        At 11:16 AM 4/6/2007 +0700, you wrote:

        ***** I second most of your thoughts, Randy, most strongly the fond remembrance of Stingley's play, and his post injury courage. However, I don't agree with your intimation that Tatum's hit was no worse than most of that era. Yes, there was no rule against hard hits on "defenseless receivers", as there is today. But most hard hitters didn't use the clothesline type of hit that Tatum used on Stingley. As you know, I was in the stadium in Oakland for that game, nearly directly over the spot where it happened. That was a cheap shot, typical of the play of the Raiders, as encouraged by owner Al Davis. I most strongly "fault Tatum for the hit"!


         

        George
        Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!


        From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
        Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:08 PM
        To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
        Subject: [patriotzip] Stingley Dies ...

        I didn't see the hit live but I remember how much it
        shocked me - made me realize how dangerous the sport
        could be. I don't fault Tatum for the hit but he
        continued to prove himself a classless loser in his
        response afterwards. Sure the hit was late and after
        the pass was gone but it was not uncommon to play the
        game hard and send messages to receivers. It is
        uncommon to not feel remorse for the injury and to not
        wish the person well. The lowest of the low was when
        Tatum staged a meeting for an 'alledged apology' which
        was just a publicity stunt (with no apology) to help
        him sell a book.

        Stingley gave the greatest price possible to the game
        and our team - I'll long remember him well for what he
        represented in courage in handling his paralysis.

        Zip

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        From: "Ian A. Walker" <iwalker@mscmail. gsfc.nasa. gov>
        To: "Pats List" <patriots@bosco. net>
        Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:55 AM
        Subject: Bad News

        Former Patriots receiver Darryl Stingley, who was left
        paralyzed after an
        on-field hit in 1978, has died, the Associated Press
        is reporting. He was
        55.

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