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  • Frank Northcutt
    Aug 1, 2005
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      Valid point.

      fdb

      --- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "Don Diamant" <jeepndd@v...> wrote:
      > I'm not so sure which actions are less professional, mouthing off,
      or not
      > showing for training camp. T.O. showed up for training camp.
      >
      >
      >
      > Don
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On
      > Behalf Of Frank Northcutt
      > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:05 PM
      > To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [patriotzip] Re: Questions on Seymour...
      >
      >
      >
      > We're pretty much in agreement. He deserves much more, he absolutely
      > should be in camp, and he's treating the disagreement like a
      > professional, quietly. One of the national sportswriters did a
      > comparison of how Seymour is treating his hold-out vs. how TO is
      > treating his. It was pretty funny, as you might imagine.
      >
      > Isn't one of the reasons someone in Seymour's position stays away is
      > to avoid injury? That might completely destroy any bargaining position
      > he may have. I'm not saying I agree with that position, but it may be
      > part of his thinking.
      >
      > fdb
      >
      > --- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@s...>
      > wrote:
      > > I have found myself frequently in appreciation and/or agreement with
      > your viewpoints but I vary a bit here. I do think Richard seems a bit
      > more 'image' conscious than the typical Pats fan but contractually I
      > think he faces a disparity similar to Brady's deal. He's slightly
      > less pivotal to the team than Brady, IMO, but equally off the market
      > value for his skills.
      > >
      > > Now if there is 'serious negotiation' in process, I think he belongs
      > in camp supporting the team while they work out the details. I
      > respect him for not waging the battle through the media and I support
      > his option to sit out rather than play with the understanding he is
      > forfeiting his paycheck (the fines essentially cover that as a team
      > option). Teams can sever a contract at any point placing the player
      > on the free agent market.Aplayer may take a similar approach by not
      > playing and they forfeit the pay in varous means. It is a workable
      > system with each having a recourse though neither is ideal.
      > >
      > > I place Richard Seymour as certainly top 5 and possibly (likely my
      > opinion) top three in the DL world. I'd rather see him signed through
      > 2010 if it fits within the Pioli/BB money structure. If not, I've
      > accepted their widom since Chad Eaton. The fact Jarvis is signed
      > gives them some security to negotiate with Seymour. Fact is Bailey
      > made more base money than Seymour last year and that's an unreasonable
      > factoid to my performance evaluations.
      > >
      > > Hopefully this is the last week Richard isn't in camp.
      > >
      > > Go Pats!
      > > Zip
      > > www.patriotzip.com/ostend.html
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Frank Northcutt
      > > To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:57 AM
      > > Subject: [patriotzip] Questions on Seymour...
      > >
      > >
      > > I never considered the Tom Brady deal a precedent setting event. I
      > > looked at it as the Pats dealing with players on a case-by-case
      > > basis. TB was woefully underpaid, even though he had two years
      left.
      > > I didn't think they would deviate from their position on such
      things,
      > > except in such extrordinary circumstances.
      > >
      > > I didn't think that they would seriously negotiate with Seymour
      this
      > > off season. If a quick and easy deal couldn't be done, they would
      > > wait. Seymour would show up and play out the season. If they were
      > > still far apart next off season, he would probably be traded.
      > >
      > > My opinion all changed upon hearing that serious negotiations were
      > > indeed underway with Big Sey. I was also a bit surprised this
      > > weekend, when Mike Vrabel received his extension, even though he
      had
      > > THREE years left on his contract. Vrabel's a terrific player, and a
      > > huge contributor, but it certainly wasn't the unique situation that
      > > TB presented.
      > >
      > > Questions:
      > > Have the Patriots altered their philosophy somewhat, to change with
      > > the times; being more willing to negotiate earlier in a contract
      (and
      > > if so, will this help or hurt the team, long term)?
      > >
      > > Could they be so far apart that we will not see Seymour at all this
      > > year? I would think this unlikely, but who knows. He's a terrific
      > > player, and by all accounts a great personality, but he does
      seem to
      > > be hung up on the image thing a bit. I remember seeing him on
      one of
      > > those pre-game shows, talking about his expensive suit and tie, and
      > > his diamond cuff links, and how important it is to look good. You
      > > don't hear that kind of stuff from TB.
      > >
      > > Everyone is concentrating on Seymour; what about Vinatieri, Givens,
      > > and Harrison? I would think Adam definitely gets done. Do they let
      > > Givens go to FA? Do they just let Rodney play out his current deal?
      > >
      > > Just thoughts for discussion...
      > >
      > > fdb
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