7298RE: [patriotzip] Re: Questions on Seymour...
- Aug 1, 2005
I’m not so sure which actions are less professional, mouthing off, or not showing for training camp… T.O. showed up for training camp.
From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto: email@example.com ] On Behalf Of Frank Northcutt
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:05 PM
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: Questions on Seymour ...
We're pretty much in agreement. He deserves much more, he absolutely
should be in camp, and he's treating the disagreement like a
professional, quietly. One of the national sportswriters did a
comparison of how Seymour is treating his hold-out vs. how TO is
treating his. It was pretty funny, as you might imagine.
Isn't one of the reasons someone in Seymour 's position stays away is
to avoid injury? That might completely destroy any bargaining position
he may have. I'm not saying I agree with that position, but it may be
part of his thinking.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org , "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@s...>
> I have found myself frequently in appreciation and/or agreement with
your viewpoints but I vary a bit here. I do think Richard seems a bit
more 'image' conscious than the typical Pats fan but contractually I
think he faces a disparity similar to Brady's deal. He's slightly
less pivotal to the team than Brady, IMO, but equally off the market
value for his skills.
> Now if there is 'serious negotiation' in process, I think he belongs
in camp supporting the team while they work out the details. I
respect him for not waging the battle through the media and I support
his option to sit out rather than play with the understanding he is
forfeiting his paycheck (the fines essentially cover that as a team
option). Teams can sever a contract at any point placing the player
on the free agent market.Aplayer may take a similar approach by not
playing and they forfeit the pay in varous means. It is a workable
system with each having a recourse though neither is ideal.
> I place Richard Seymour as certainly top 5 and possibly (likely my
opinion) top three in the DL world. I'd rather see him signed through
2010 if it fits within the Pioli/BB money structure. If not, I've
accepted their widom since Chad Eaton. The fact Jarvis is signed
gives them some security to negotiate with Seymour . Fact is Bailey
made more base money than Seymour last year and that's an unreasonable
factoid to my performance evaluations.
> Hopefully this is the last week Richard isn't in camp.
> Go Pats!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank Northcutt
> To: email@example.com
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:57 AM
> Subject: [patriotzip] Questions on Seymour ...
> I never considered the Tom Brady deal a precedent setting event. I
> looked at it as the Pats dealing with players on a case-by-case
> basis. TB was woefully underpaid, even though he had two years left.
> I didn't think they would deviate from their position on such things,
> except in such extrordinary circumstances.
> I didn't think that they would seriously negotiate with Seymour this
> off season. If a quick and easy deal couldn't be done, they would
> wait. Seymour would show up and play out the season. If they were
> still far apart next off season, he would probably be traded.
> My opinion all changed upon hearing that serious negotiations were
> indeed underway with Big Sey. I was also a bit surprised this
> weekend, when Mike Vrabel received his extension, even though he had
> THREE years left on his contract. Vrabel's a terrific player, and a
> huge contributor, but it certainly wasn't the unique situation that
> TB presented.
> Have the Patriots altered their philosophy somewhat, to change with
> the times; being more willing to negotiate earlier in a contract (and
> if so, will this help or hurt the team, long term)?
> Could they be so far apart that we will not see Seymour at all this
> year? I would think this unlikely, but who knows. He's a terrific
> player, and by all accounts a great personality, but he does seem to
> be hung up on the image thing a bit. I remember seeing him on one of
> those pre-game shows, talking about his expensive suit and tie, and
> his diamond cuff links, and how important it is to look good. You
> don't hear that kind of stuff from TB.
> Everyone is concentrating on Seymour ; what about Vinatieri, Givens,
> and Harrison ? I would think Adam definitely gets done. Do they let
> Givens go to FA? Do they just let Rodney play out his current deal?
> Just thoughts for discussion...
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