20381Re: [patriotzip] Re: "Rebuilding Year" or "Transition Year"
- Jul 24, 2013Don't do that, Frank. Just use a spare pair of glasses for a while. Keep those rose colored ones. Hopefully, you can use them again in a few weeks! :-)----- GeorgeOn Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:24 PM, frankdanabrewster <frank.dana@...> wrote:
...still trying to wash that rose color out of my glasses. ;o)
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, George Richman <patswingr@...> wrote:
> I agree with the points you made about Fletcher, Francis, and Kelly, Frank.
> But the limited action of Fletcher at LB, and Francis on the DL don't fill
> me with confidence that they can do it in extended duty. That's how I
> judged Wilfork, Ninkovich, and C. Jones in classifying them as solid. As
> for Kelly, he comes to us with a rep for "taking plays off" all too often.
> He, like Fletcher and Francis, falls into the "hopeful" column for me. They
> all have to show us, in camp and beyond, that they truly are solid players.
> I have to stick by what I said. We have only 6 players in the Front 7 group
> that have, IMO, proven that they are better than average in extensive play:
> Wilfork, Ninkovich, C. Jones, Mayo, Spikes, and Hightower. Beyond them,
> it's all "hope" and "some evidence of talent". We'll need at least 9-10
> players performing at above average levels in that Front 7 to have the
> defensive success we'll need to cover for our "developing" offense over the
> first half of the season. I'm not saying that it can't happen. I just
> contend that, while there's plenty of reason for hope, there's no evidence
> to support a high level of confidence in it right now.
> --- George
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:42 PM, frankdanabrewster
> > **
> > Good breakdown, George. I would make a couple comments.
> > You mentioned Dane Fletcher when discussing ST, but not at LB. I think he
> > is a solid player, and really adds to the quality depth at the position.
> > On the D-line, Justin Francis looked pretty good in limited action last
> > year, and Tommy Kelly could add a significant veteran presence.
> > LB and DL may be in a little better shape than you think.
> > Yes, WR and TE are the real crap shoot here. Gronk, Edelman, and Ballard
> > have all been placed on PUP. Remains to be seen if any of them are ready
> > for the regular season. I would guess that we won't see Gronk until week 7.
> > fdb
> > --- In email@example.com, George Richman <patswingr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pick your term; but this is going to be a season of significant change
> > for
> > > our Patriots team.
> > >
> > > By my count, the Patriots have 29 rookies on the roster, as they open
> > > Training Camp ... 29!! Just about 1/3 of the camp roster is made up of
> > > players who have never played in an NFL game. When you add Armond
> > Armstead
> > > and Jason Vega, our imports from the CFL, that number goes to 31 of the
> > 90
> > > players on the roster. WOW! That's an incredible number of inexperienced
> > > players. Doesn't that spell "rebuilding year"?
> > >
> > > Well, not necessarily. We have to look at the team in terms of the on the
> > > field "units" to get a more accurate picture. Think about this.
> > >
> > > On Offense:
> > > * QB - Solid, with a future HOFer starting, and a backup experienced in
> > the
> > > system, if not on the field.
> > > * RB - Solid, with 4 veterans who've had success in the NFL (Ridley,
> > > Vereen, Blount, Washington).
> > > * OL - Solid, with 5 veteran starters who've played together, and a
> > couple
> > > of experienced backups, with some starting experience.
> > > * TE - Thin? Perhaps beginning a bit thin; perhaps not. But when Gronk
> > > returns, despite the loss of Hernandez, still a solid position.
> > > * WR - NOW we're talking "rebuilding". Just one of the 5 units of the
> > > offense that is a question mark heading into camp.
> > >
> > > Overall, that's a lot better position than most of the teams in the
> > league;
> > > and certainly better than teams usually tagged with the "rebuilding"
> > label.
> > >
> > > On Defense:
> > > * DL - Thin. Anchored by a probable HOFer (Wilfork), with a solid
> > Patriots
> > > vet (Ninkovich) on one side, a very promising 2nd year player (C. Jones)
> > on
> > > the other, and, we must admit, a lot of "hope" for the "change" in the
> > rest
> > > of this group. A lot of new faces, most of whom are very young, and, for
> > > the most part, unproven at this level. One could argue that this is a
> > > "rebuilding" unit.
> > > * LB - Thin. Much like the DL, this unit has a couple of proven high
> > > quality players (Mayo and Spikes), and a very promising 2nd year player
> > > (Hightower); but uncertainty beyond those 3. The best hope is our rookie
> > > OLB, Collins; with a couple of decent 2nd year guys, Tarpinian and
> > Rivera,
> > > showing some promise in backup roles and on STs. Looks good at the
> > starter
> > > level; but frighteningly thin beyond that.
> > > * CB - Solid. IF Dennard stays out of jail, the Patriots look as solid as
> > > they have in a long time here, if they stay healthy as a unit. Yeah, I
> > > know. Two "ifs" in one sentence! Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Dowling, and
> > > highly rated rookie Ryan Logan should mean improvement for the team here.
> > > * S - Solid. Again, a group that looks solid. McCourty is proving to be a
> > > much better S than he was a CB. Adrian Wilson is as good as they get for
> > > another couple of seasons. Tavon Wilson showed well as a rookie, and
> > Steve
> > > Gregory is OK for depth. The secondary, IMO, is better than it's been in
> > > recent years.
> > >
> > > Overall, there's plenty of reason to worry about the defense, due to the
> > > questions about a couple of starting spots at DL and LB, and the lack of
> > > proven depth in both of those units. There's reason for optimism about
> > the
> > > players who'll be fighting for those positions in camp; as there always
> > is
> > > in July. But there's no reason to feel confident that we'll see positive
> > > results on the field in the regular season.
> > >
> > > Special Teams:
> > >
> > > * K & P - Solid. Both of our kickers should be above average, at worst.
> > > We're better off than most teams here.
> > > * KR/PR - Solid here too. Washington still has it as a KR guy; and
> > Edelman
> > > is also above average or better as a PR.
> > > * Coverage - Who knows? We know we have some top people here in Slater,
> > > Arrington, and Fletcher. But, with new guys joining the STs every season,
> > > it's always a question mark going into camp. I haven't been overly
> > > impressed with our STs coaching lately. But it's certainly at least
> > > average.
> > >
> > > So, is it a "rebuilding year", or a "transition year"? A little bit of
> > > both, I'd say. In any case, it's going to be a very competitive Training
> > > Camp for a few starting positions and many depth positions. My guess is
> > > that at least 1/3 of the opening day roster will be different from the
> > > final roster of last season - 14 or 15 new names, I'd say.
> > >
> > > I hope to see a lot of personal observations and opinions from those of
> > you
> > > who are able to attend some of the "open to the public" sessions. I'll
> > > definitely be logging into the Patriots' web site for their reports on a
> > > daily basis; and watching every preseason game on 'NFL Game Pass' here in
> > > Thailand.
> > >
> > > Hoping for minimal injuries, and the emergence of a few "surprise stars".
> > > GO PATRIOTS!!
> > >
> > > --
> > > --- George
> > > Still a US citizen. Just not proud of it anymore.
> > >
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