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  • Ger
    My head is ever so slightly confused about this program by now. I ve installed RPM, works great. The olny problem is that I can t find how to get in and have
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 2, 2003
      My head is ever so slightly confused about this program by now. I've
      installed RPM, works great. The olny problem is that I can't find how
      to get in and have my say over the patterns of the boot loader. I've
      read through the documentation, and had a quick search through the
      previous posts, but can't find much. The fact that a lot of the posts
      refer to the older versions doesn't help much. (V2.43)

      My HDD is at the moment as follows:

      512Mb Hidden FAT-16 (For DOS, not installed yet)
      15Gb FAT-32 LBA (Win98 and Win2k sharing)
      Extended Containing:
      45Mb NTFS (For Web Server)
      512Mb FAT-16 (For Drivers, backups, and inter-OS shunting)
      2.5Gb Ext3 (Red Hat Linux 7.3, not installed yet)
      256Mb Linux Swap (Likewise, for Red Hat)
      16Mb Boot Manager

      Hoping, that is, that this will work.

      On bootup, I get a nice choice of Booting either Win FAT-32 LBA
      (98/2K), Linux ext2fs (Linux), Linux Swap (Why?).

      I'd like to change these so that I have DOS that sees the unhidden
      DOS partition and the extended, but not the FAT32 98/2K, two
      different versions of booting the 98/2K parition, one with bootkeys
      to load 98, the other to load 2K, both seeing only the FAT32
      partiiton and the extended, and then one for Linux, which might as
      well be allowed to see all partitions.

      Unfortunately, the only way I've figured out to do this is to load
      the partition manager, and change which ones are loaded in the MBR
      every time. Is there another way?


      TIA,

      Geraint Rowlands
    • doc_chiron
      ... Doc Chiron here: Don t know what you re calling patterns, but from the rest of your post I assume you need different BOOT MANAGER choices. Before going any
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 2, 2003
        --- "Ger" <ghr007@y...> wrote:
        > I've installed RPM (V2.43), works great.
        > The only problem is that I can't find how to get in and
        > have my say over the patterns of the boot loader.

        Doc Chiron here: Don't know what you're calling patterns, but
        from the rest of your post I assume you need different BOOT
        MANAGER choices.

        Before going any further, why don't you run:
        "part -p -r > partinfo.txt" without quotes, to capture detailed
        information about all partitions and include it in your next post.
        (I don't think the MODERATOR has enabled the use of ATTACHMENTS,
        so you'll have to CUT & PASTE it in.)

        > The fact that a lot of the posts refer to the older versions
        > doesn't help much.

        Doc: That's what happens when your program is liked enough to have
        been around awhile (or because it confuses the hell out of folks and
        new versions come out that are no-less confusing).

        > My HDD is at the moment as follows:
        > 512Mb Hidden FAT-16 (For DOS, not installed yet)
        > 15Gb FAT-32 LBA (Win98 and Win2k sharing)
        > Extended Containing:
        > 45Mb NTFS (For Web Server)
        > 512Mb FAT-16 (For Drivers, backups, and inter-OS shunting)
        > 2.5Gb Ext3 (Red Hat Linux 7.3, not installed yet)
        > 256Mb Linux Swap (Likewise, for Red Hat)
        > 16Mb Boot Manager
        > Hoping, that is, that this will work.

        Doc: Unfortunately, you haven't indicated which of these rows are in
        your partition tables. I can guess but shouldn't have to.
        Where's that RPM printout? (textout?)

        > On bootup, I get a nice choice of Booting either:
        > Win FAT-32 LBA (98/2K), Linux ext2fs (Linux), Linux Swap (Why?).

        Doc: Howcum in your list the Linux file system is 'ext3', but
        in your line above it is 'ext2'? (I'm not linux conversant.)
        I noticed that your NTFS and 2nd FAT16 partitions weren't included
        as offered for booting either. I wonder if you ever formatted them?
        Absence of (i.e. empty) Partition Boot Records might be why they are
        not in the list. I haven't looked in the SWAP file partition, but the
        fact it might NOT be empty could be the reason RPM thinks it MIGHT be
        bootable.

        > I'd like to change these so that I have:
        > DOS that sees the unhidden DOS partition and the extended,
        > but not the FAT32 98/2K,
        > two different versions of booting the 98/2K parition,
        > one with bootkeys to load 98, the other to load 2K,
        > both seeing only the FAT32 partiiton and the extended, and then
        > one for Linux, which might as well be allowed to see all partitions.
        >
        > Unfortunately, the only way I've figured out to do this is to load
        > the partition manager, and change which ones are loaded in the MBR
        > every time. Is there another way? TIA, Geraint Rowlands

        That's too much for me now, been surfing 12 hours now. TTFN DOC

        P.S. Please trim excess krap from posts. My mailbox is too small.
      • Ger
        Okay, here s a nice, big printout for you: Ranish Partition Manager Version 2.43 (beta) by Muthu Apr 09, 2002 HD 1 (128) 19,541M [ 2,491 cyls x 255
        Message 3 of 7 , Jun 4, 2003
          Okay, here's a nice, big printout for you:

          Ranish Partition Manager Version 2.43 (beta) by Muthu Apr 09,
          2002

          HD 1 (128) 19,541M [ 2,491 cyls x 255 heads x 63 sects = 40,020,624
          sects ]

          File Starting Ending
          Partition
           # Type Row System Type Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect
          Size [KB]

          0 MBR Master Boot Record 0 0 1 0 0
          1 0
          1 Pri Unused 0 0 2 0 0
          63 31
          2 Pri 1 Hidden FAT-16 0 1 1 65 254 63
          530,113
          3 >Pri 2 Windows FAT-32 LBA 66 0 1 2,063 254 63
          16,048,935
          4 Pri 4 Extended LBA 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63
          3,429,877
          5 Ã Log Windows NT NTFS 2,064 1 1 2,069 254
          63 48,163
          6 Æ Ext Extended 2,070 0 1 2,136 254 63
          538,177
          7 Ã Log DOS FAT-16 2,070 1 1 2,136 254 63
          538,146
          8 Æ Ext Extended 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63
          2,570,400
          9 Ã Log Linux ext2fs 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63
          2,570,368
          10 Æ Ext Extended 2,457 0 1 2,488 254 63
          257,040
          11 Ã Log Linux swap 2,457 1 1 2,488 254 63
          257,008
          12 Æ Ext Extended 2,489 0 1 2,490 254
          63 16,065
          13 Ã Log Boot Manager 2,489 1 1 2,490 254
          63 16,033
          14 Pri Unused 2,491 0 1 2,491 42
          63 1,354

          Partition table details:

          Starting Ending Starting Number
          of Ending
           # Type R FS Cyl Head Sct Cyl Head Sct sector
          sectors sector

          0 MBR FF 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
          1 0
          1 Pri 00 0 0 2 0 0 63 1
          62 62
          2 Pri 1 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63 1,060,227
          1,060,289
          3 >Pri 2 0C 66 0 1 2,063 254 63 1,060,290 32,097,870
          33,158,159
          4 Pri 4 0F 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63 33,158,160 6,859,755
          40,017,914
          5 Ã Log 07 2,064 1 1 2,069 254 63 33,158,223 96,327
          33,254,549
          6 Æ Ext 05 2,070 0 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,550 1,076,355
          34,330,904
          7 Ã Log 06 2,070 1 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,613 1,076,292
          34,330,904
          8 Æ Ext 05 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,905 5,140,800
          39,471,704
          9 Ã Log 83 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,968 5,140,737
          39,471,704
          10 Æ Ext 05 2,457 0 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,705 514,080
          39,985,784
          11 Ã Log 82 2,457 1 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,768 514,017
          39,985,784
          12 Æ Ext 05 2,489 0 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,785 32,130
          40,017,914
          13 Ã Log F0 2,489 1 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,848 32,067
          40,017,914
          14 Pri 00 2,491 0 1 2,491 42 63 40,017,915 2,709
          40,020,623

          Partition records exactly as they appear in MBR (EMBR):

          Starting Ending Starting Number
          of
          # HD FS Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect sector
          sectors
          (0,0,1):
          1 00 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63
          1,060,227
          2 80 0C 66 0 1 1,023 254 63 1,060,290
          32,097,870
          3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          4 00 0F 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 33,158,160
          6,859,755
          (2064,0,1):
          1 00 07 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
          96,327
          2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 96,390
          1,076,355
          3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          (2070,0,1):
          1 00 06 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
          1,076,292
          2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 1,172,745
          5,140,800
          3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          (2137,0,1):
          1 00 83 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
          5,140,737
          2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,313,545
          514,080
          3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          (2457,0,1):
          1 00 82 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
          514,017
          2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,827,625
          32,130
          3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          (2489,0,1):
          1 00 F0 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
          32,067
          2 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0
          4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
          0

          I've skipped the 'detailed information about each partition' as from
          what I saw, it isn't really involved that much with the MBR. Tell me
          if you need it though.

          >
          > Doc: Howcum in your list the Linux file system is 'ext3', but
          > in your line above it is 'ext2'? (I'm not linux conversant.)

          No big msytery here: they share the same identifying hex code for the
          partition (83h) as do NTFS and HPFS (07h). Ext3 is more or less the
          same as Ext2, but it journals HDD activity, and recovers better from
          a system crash or power outage.

          > I noticed that your NTFS and 2nd FAT16 partitions weren't included
          > as offered for booting either. I wonder if you ever formatted them?
          > Absence of (i.e. empty) Partition Boot Records might be why they are
          > not in the list. I haven't looked in the SWAP file partition, but
          the
          > fact it might NOT be empty could be the reason RPM thinks it MIGHT
          be
          > bootable.

          That (tiny) NTFS partition shouldn't be bootable; it's only there for
          use as a partition for hosting websites on: I run a web-server under
          2k for testing out my website before uploading, and it complains much
          less if it has an NTFS partition to work on and set file permissions
          differently for creator and viewer.

          The only ones that should be bootable, and therefore that I'd like to
          see in the boot menu, are as follows, going by the numbers in the
          printout:

          Partition 2: FAT-16 (Hidden)
          MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 3.0
          I can unhide manually by changing it's hex number, but it needs to be
          hidden for the sake of Windows 98. Boots properly when MBR is set up
          manually.

          Partition 3: FAT-32 LBA
          Windows 98, Windows 2000
          This partition has the 2K boot loader instaleld in it. I'd like to be
          able to pass keypresses to go to 98 or 2k straight from the first
          boot loader. Boots properly when MBR is set up manually.

          Partition 9: Linux ext2fs
          Red Hat Linux
          This partition will have lilo (or grub) installed to it, to boot an
          assortment of kernels; I won't be looking to pass keypresses to this
          loader, as I'll only have one choice unless I'm recompiling a test
          kernel or something similar. It would have RH 7.3 on it, but my first
          installer disc is playing up, so I'll be downloading RH 9.0 from
          school between this week and next, and then install that.
          Consequently, I can't guarantee that this partition is configured
          properly.

          All partitions apart from the two Linux ones are formatted, and as
          testament, they currently have at least some data on them.

          TIA,

          Geraint Rowlands
        • Izzat Alsmadi
          Hi ok I am trying to put the hard drive in the old system and look like the bios did not detect it I tried to put the sectors and cyl exactly still same will
          Message 4 of 7 , Jun 4, 2003
            Hi
            ok
            I am trying to put the hard drive in the old system and look like the bios did not detect it
            I tried to put the sectors and cyl exactly still same
            will it die just from plug in and out ??


            Ger <ghr007@...> wrote:
            Okay, here's a nice, big printout for you:

            Ranish Partition Manager Version 2.43 (beta) by Muthu Apr 09,
            2002

            HD 1 (128) 19,541M [ 2,491 cyls x 255 heads x 63 sects = 40,020,624
            sects ]

            File Starting Ending
            Partition
             # Type Row System Type Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect
            Size [KB]

            0 MBR Master Boot Record 0 0 1 0 0
            1 0
            1 Pri Unused 0 0 2 0 0
            63 31
            2 Pri 1 Hidden FAT-16 0 1 1 65 254 63
            530,113
            3 >Pri 2 Windows FAT-32 LBA 66 0 1 2,063 254 63
            16,048,935
            4 Pri 4 Extended LBA 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63
            3,429,877
            5 � Log Windows NT NTFS 2,064 1 1 2,069 254
            63 48,163
            6 � Ext Extended 2,070 0 1 2,136 254 63
            538,177
            7 � Log DOS FAT-16 2,070 1 1 2,136 254 63
            538,146
            8 � Ext Extended 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63
            2,570,400
            9 � Log Linux ext2fs 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63
            2,570,368
            10 � Ext Extended 2,457 0 1 2,488 254 63
            257,040
            11 � Log Linux swap 2,457 1 1 2,488 254 63
            257,008
            12 � Ext Extended 2,489 0 1 2,490 254
            63 16,065
            13 � Log Boot Manager 2,489 1 1 2,490 254
            63 16,033
            14 Pri Unused 2,491 0 1 2,491 42
            63 1,354

            Partition table details:

            Starting Ending Starting Number
            of Ending
             # Type R FS Cyl Head Sct Cyl Head Sct sector
            sectors sector

            0 MBR FF 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
            1 0
            1 Pri 00 0 0 2 0 0 63 1
            62 62
            2 Pri 1 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63 1,060,227
            1,060,289
            3 >Pri 2 0C 66 0 1 2,063 254 63 1,060,290 32,097,870
            33,158,159
            4 Pri 4 0F 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63 33,158,160 6,859,755
            40,017,914
            5 � Log 07 2,064 1 1 2,069 254 63 33,158,223 96,327
            33,254,549
            6 � Ext 05 2,070 0 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,550 1,076,355
            34,330,904
            7 � Log 06 2,070 1 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,613 1,076,292
            34,330,904
            8 � Ext 05 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,905 5,140,800
            39,471,704
            9 � Log 83 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,968 5,140,737
            39,471,704
            10 � Ext 05 2,457 0 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,705 514,080
            39,985,784
            11 � Log 82 2,457 1 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,768 514,017
            39,985,784
            12 � Ext 05 2,489 0 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,785 32,130
            40,017,914
            13 � Log F0 2,489 1 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,848 32,067
            40,017,914
            14 Pri 00 2,491 0 1 2,491 42 63 40,017,915 2,709
            40,020,623

            Partition records exactly as they appear in MBR (EMBR):

            Starting Ending Starting Number
            of
            # HD FS Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect sector
            sectors
            (0,0,1):
            1 00 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63
            1,060,227
            2 80 0C 66 0 1 1,023 254 63 1,060,290
            32,097,870
            3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            4 00 0F 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 33,158,160
            6,859,755
            (2064,0,1):
            1 00 07 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
            96,327
            2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 96,390
            1,076,355
            3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            (2070,0,1):
            1 00 06 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
            1,076,292
            2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 1,172,745
            5,140,800
            3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            (2137,0,1):
            1 00 83 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
            5,140,737
            2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,313,545
            514,080
            3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            (2457,0,1):
            1 00 82 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
            514,017
            2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,827,625
            32,130
            3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            (2489,0,1):
            1 00 F0 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
            32,067
            2 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0
            4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
            0

            I've skipped the 'detailed information about each partition' as from
            what I saw, it isn't really involved that much with the MBR. Tell me
            if you need it though.

            >
            > Doc: Howcum in your list the Linux file system is 'ext3', but
            > in your line above it is 'ext2'? (I'm not linux conversant.)

            No big msytery here: they share the same identifying hex code for the
            partition (83h) as do NTFS and HPFS (07h). Ext3 is more or less the
            same as Ext2, but it journals HDD activity, and recovers better from
            a system crash or power outage.

            > I noticed that your NTFS and 2nd FAT16 partitions weren't included
            > as offered for booting either. I wonder if you ever formatted them?
            > Absence of (i.e. empty) Partition Boot Records might be why they are
            > not in the list. I haven't looked in the SWAP file partition, but
            the
            > fact it might NOT be empty could be the reason RPM thinks it MIGHT
            be
            > bootable.

            That (tiny) NTFS partition shouldn't be bootable; it's only there for
            use as a partition for hosting websites on: I run a web-server under
            2k for testing out my website before uploading, and it complains much
            less if it has an NTFS partition to work on and set file permissions
            differently for creator and viewer.

            The only ones that should be bootable, and therefore that I'd like to
            see in the boot menu, are as follows, going by the numbers in the
            printout:

            Partition 2: FAT-16 (Hidden)
            MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 3.0
            I can unhide manually by changing it's hex number, but it needs to be
            hidden for the sake of Windows 98. Boots properly when MBR is set up
            manually.

            Partition 3: FAT-32 LBA
            Windows 98, Windows 2000
            This partition has the 2K boot loader instaleld in it. I'd like to be
            able to pass keypresses to go to 98 or 2k straight from the first
            boot loader. Boots properly when MBR is set up manually.

            Partition 9: Linux ext2fs
            Red Hat Linux
            This partition will have lilo (or grub) installed to it, to boot an
            assortment of kernels; I won't be looking to pass keypresses to this
            loader, as I'll only have one choice unless I'm recompiling a test
            kernel or something similar. It would have RH 7.3 on it, but my first
            installer disc is playing up, so I'll be downloading RH 9.0 from
            school between this week and next, and then install that.
            Consequently, I can't guarantee that this partition is configured
            properly.

            All partitions apart from the two Linux ones are formatted, and as
            testament, they currently have at least some data on them.

            TIA,

            Geraint Rowlands


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          • Rahul Gupta
            Hello, ... Exactly no but if handled imporperly it may also... It may be due to some other resons also like power connection improper. Please check power and
            Message 5 of 7 , Jun 4, 2003
              Hello,
              >will it die just from plug in and out ??
              Exactly no but if handled imporperly it may also...
              It may be due to some other resons also like power connection improper.
              Please check power and IDE connection again
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              From: "Izzat Alsmadi" <iismadi@...>
              To: <partman@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Wednesday, 04 June, 2003 11:36 PM
              Subject: Re: [partman] Re: Boot manager


              Hi
              ok
              I am trying to put the hard drive in the old system and look like the bios
              did not detect it
              I tried to put the sectors and cyl exactly still same
              will it die just from plug in and out ??


              Ger <ghr007@...> wrote:
              Okay, here's a nice, big printout for you:

              Ranish Partition Manager Version 2.43 (beta) by Muthu Apr 09,
              2002

              HD 1 (128) 19,541M [ 2,491 cyls x 255 heads x 63 sects = 40,020,624
              sects ]

              File Starting Ending
              Partition
               # Type Row System Type Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect
              Size [KB]

              0 MBR Master Boot Record 0 0 1 0 0
              1 0
              1 Pri Unused 0 0 2 0 0
              63 31
              2 Pri 1 Hidden FAT-16 0 1 1 65 254 63
              530,113
              3 >Pri 2 Windows FAT-32 LBA 66 0 1 2,063 254 63
              16,048,935
              4 Pri 4 Extended LBA 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63
              3,429,877
              5 Ã Log Windows NT NTFS 2,064 1 1 2,069 254
              63 48,163
              6 Æ Ext Extended 2,070 0 1 2,136 254 63
              538,177
              7 Ã Log DOS FAT-16 2,070 1 1 2,136 254 63
              538,146
              8 Æ Ext Extended 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63
              2,570,400
              9 Ã Log Linux ext2fs 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63
              2,570,368
              10 Æ Ext Extended 2,457 0 1 2,488 254 63
              257,040
              11 Ã Log Linux swap 2,457 1 1 2,488 254 63
              257,008
              12 Æ Ext Extended 2,489 0 1 2,490 254
              63 16,065
              13 Ã Log Boot Manager 2,489 1 1 2,490 254
              63 16,033
              14 Pri Unused 2,491 0 1 2,491 42
              63 1,354

              Partition table details:

              Starting Ending Starting Number
              of Ending
               # Type R FS Cyl Head Sct Cyl Head Sct sector
              sectors sector

              0 MBR FF 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
              1 0
              1 Pri 00 0 0 2 0 0 63 1
              62 62
              2 Pri 1 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63 1,060,227
              1,060,289
              3 >Pri 2 0C 66 0 1 2,063 254 63 1,060,290 32,097,870
              33,158,159
              4 Pri 4 0F 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63 33,158,160 6,859,755
              40,017,914
              5 Ã Log 07 2,064 1 1 2,069 254 63 33,158,223 96,327
              33,254,549
              6 Æ Ext 05 2,070 0 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,550 1,076,355
              34,330,904
              7 Ã Log 06 2,070 1 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,613 1,076,292
              34,330,904
              8 Æ Ext 05 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,905 5,140,800
              39,471,704
              9 Ã Log 83 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,968 5,140,737
              39,471,704
              10 Æ Ext 05 2,457 0 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,705 514,080
              39,985,784
              11 Ã Log 82 2,457 1 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,768 514,017
              39,985,784
              12 Æ Ext 05 2,489 0 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,785 32,130
              40,017,914
              13 Ã Log F0 2,489 1 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,848 32,067
              40,017,914
              14 Pri 00 2,491 0 1 2,491 42 63 40,017,915 2,709
              40,020,623

              Partition records exactly as they appear in MBR (EMBR):

              Starting Ending Starting Number
              of
              # HD FS Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect sector
              sectors
              (0,0,1):
              1 00 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63
              1,060,227
              2 80 0C 66 0 1 1,023 254 63 1,060,290
              32,097,870
              3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              4 00 0F 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 33,158,160
              6,859,755
              (2064,0,1):
              1 00 07 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
              96,327
              2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 96,390
              1,076,355
              3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              (2070,0,1):
              1 00 06 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
              1,076,292
              2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 1,172,745
              5,140,800
              3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              (2137,0,1):
              1 00 83 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
              5,140,737
              2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,313,545
              514,080
              3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              (2457,0,1):
              1 00 82 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
              514,017
              2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,827,625
              32,130
              3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              (2489,0,1):
              1 00 F0 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
              32,067
              2 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0
              4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0

              I've skipped the 'detailed information about each partition' as from
              what I saw, it isn't really involved that much with the MBR. Tell me
              if you need it though.

              >
              > Doc: Howcum in your list the Linux file system is 'ext3', but
              > in your line above it is 'ext2'? (I'm not linux conversant.)

              No big msytery here: they share the same identifying hex code for the
              partition (83h) as do NTFS and HPFS (07h). Ext3 is more or less the
              same as Ext2, but it journals HDD activity, and recovers better from
              a system crash or power outage.

              > I noticed that your NTFS and 2nd FAT16 partitions weren't included
              > as offered for booting either. I wonder if you ever formatted them?
              > Absence of (i.e. empty) Partition Boot Records might be why they are
              > not in the list. I haven't looked in the SWAP file partition, but
              the
              > fact it might NOT be empty could be the reason RPM thinks it MIGHT
              be
              > bootable.

              That (tiny) NTFS partition shouldn't be bootable; it's only there for
              use as a partition for hosting websites on: I run a web-server under
              2k for testing out my website before uploading, and it complains much
              less if it has an NTFS partition to work on and set file permissions
              differently for creator and viewer.

              The only ones that should be bootable, and therefore that I'd like to
              see in the boot menu, are as follows, going by the numbers in the
              printout:

              Partition 2: FAT-16 (Hidden)
              MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 3.0
              I can unhide manually by changing it's hex number, but it needs to be
              hidden for the sake of Windows 98. Boots properly when MBR is set up
              manually.

              Partition 3: FAT-32 LBA
              Windows 98, Windows 2000
              This partition has the 2K boot loader instaleld in it. I'd like to be
              able to pass keypresses to go to 98 or 2k straight from the first
              boot loader. Boots properly when MBR is set up manually.

              Partition 9: Linux ext2fs
              Red Hat Linux
              This partition will have lilo (or grub) installed to it, to boot an
              assortment of kernels; I won't be looking to pass keypresses to this
              loader, as I'll only have one choice unless I'm recompiling a test
              kernel or something similar. It would have RH 7.3 on it, but my first
              installer disc is playing up, so I'll be downloading RH 9.0 from
              school between this week and next, and then install that.
              Consequently, I can't guarantee that this partition is configured
              properly.

              All partitions apart from the two Linux ones are formatted, and as
              testament, they currently have at least some data on them.

              TIA,

              Geraint Rowlands


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            • Ger
              Not meaning to be a whiner, but did my problem thread just become someone elses?
              Message 6 of 7 , Jun 6, 2003
                Not meaning to be a whiner, but did my problem thread just become
                someone elses?
              • sapinho99
                check your master/slave settings on the actual drive... you may have to change them depending on how many drives are in old syetem and how the drive was being
                Message 7 of 7 , Jun 7, 2003
                  check your master/slave settings on the actual drive... you may have
                  to change them depending on how many drives are in old syetem and how
                  the drive was being used before

                  also check in bios and setup and properties for your harddisk
                  controller to make sure that everything's configured properly to
                  allow two drives (if that's what you are trying to do).... or at
                  least compatible with the drive you are trying to install

                  --- In partman@yahoogroups.com, Izzat Alsmadi <iismadi@y...> wrote:
                  > Hi
                  > ok
                  > I am trying to put the hard drive in the old system and look like
                  the bios did not detect it
                  > I tried to put the sectors and cyl exactly still same
                  > will it die just from plug in and out ??
                  >
                  >
                  > Ger <ghr007@y...> wrote:
                  > Okay, here's a nice, big printout for you:
                  >
                  > Ranish Partition Manager Version 2.43 (beta) by Muthu Apr
                  09,
                  > 2002
                  >
                  > HD 1 (128) 19,541M [ 2,491 cyls x 255 heads x 63 sects =
                  40,020,624
                  > sects ]
                  >
                  > File Starting Ending
                  > Partition
                  >  # Type Row System Type Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect
                  > Size [KB]
                  >
                  > 0 MBR Master Boot Record 0 0 1 0 0
                  > 1 0
                  > 1 Pri Unused 0 0 2 0 0
                  > 63 31
                  > 2 Pri 1 Hidden FAT-16 0 1 1 65 254
                  63
                  > 530,113
                  > 3 >Pri 2 Windows FAT-32 LBA 66 0 1 2,063 254 63
                  > 16,048,935
                  > 4 Pri 4 Extended LBA 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63
                  > 3,429,877
                  > 5 Ã Log Windows NT NTFS 2,064 1 1 2,069 254
                  > 63 48,163
                  > 6 Æ Ext Extended 2,070 0 1 2,136 254
                  63
                  > 538,177
                  > 7 Ã Log DOS FAT-16 2,070 1 1 2,136 254
                  63
                  > 538,146
                  > 8 Æ Ext Extended 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63
                  > 2,570,400
                  > 9 Ã Log Linux ext2fs 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63
                  > 2,570,368
                  > 10 Æ Ext Extended 2,457 0 1 2,488 254
                  63
                  > 257,040
                  > 11 Ã Log Linux swap 2,457 1 1 2,488 254
                  63
                  > 257,008
                  > 12 Æ Ext Extended 2,489 0 1 2,490 254
                  > 63 16,065
                  > 13 Ã Log Boot Manager 2,489 1 1 2,490 254
                  > 63 16,033
                  > 14 Pri Unused 2,491 0 1 2,491 42
                  > 63 1,354
                  >
                  > Partition table details:
                  >
                  > Starting Ending Starting Number
                  > of Ending
                  >  # Type R FS Cyl Head Sct Cyl Head Sct sector
                  > sectors sector
                  >
                  > 0 MBR FF 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
                  > 1 0
                  > 1 Pri 00 0 0 2 0 0 63 1
                  > 62 62
                  > 2 Pri 1 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63
                  1,060,227
                  > 1,060,289
                  > 3 >Pri 2 0C 66 0 1 2,063 254 63 1,060,290 32,097,870
                  > 33,158,159
                  > 4 Pri 4 0F 2,064 0 1 2,490 254 63 33,158,160 6,859,755
                  > 40,017,914
                  > 5 Ã Log 07 2,064 1 1 2,069 254 63 33,158,223 96,327
                  > 33,254,549
                  > 6 Æ Ext 05 2,070 0 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,550 1,076,355
                  > 34,330,904
                  > 7 Ã Log 06 2,070 1 1 2,136 254 63 33,254,613 1,076,292
                  > 34,330,904
                  > 8 Æ Ext 05 2,137 0 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,905 5,140,800
                  > 39,471,704
                  > 9 Ã Log 83 2,137 1 1 2,456 254 63 34,330,968 5,140,737
                  > 39,471,704
                  > 10 Æ Ext 05 2,457 0 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,705 514,080
                  > 39,985,784
                  > 11 Ã Log 82 2,457 1 1 2,488 254 63 39,471,768 514,017
                  > 39,985,784
                  > 12 Æ Ext 05 2,489 0 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,785 32,130
                  > 40,017,914
                  > 13 Ã Log F0 2,489 1 1 2,490 254 63 39,985,848 32,067
                  > 40,017,914
                  > 14 Pri 00 2,491 0 1 2,491 42 63 40,017,915 2,709
                  > 40,020,623
                  >
                  > Partition records exactly as they appear in MBR (EMBR):
                  >
                  > Starting Ending Starting
                  Number
                  > of
                  > # HD FS Cyl Head Sect Cyl Head Sect sector
                  > sectors
                  > (0,0,1):
                  > 1 00 16 0 1 1 65 254 63 63
                  > 1,060,227
                  > 2 80 0C 66 0 1 1,023 254 63 1,060,290
                  > 32,097,870
                  > 3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > 4 00 0F 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 33,158,160
                  > 6,859,755
                  > (2064,0,1):
                  > 1 00 07 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
                  > 96,327
                  > 2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 96,390
                  > 1,076,355
                  > 3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > 4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > (2070,0,1):
                  > 1 00 06 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
                  > 1,076,292
                  > 2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 1,172,745
                  > 5,140,800
                  > 3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > 4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > (2137,0,1):
                  > 1 00 83 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
                  > 5,140,737
                  > 2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,313,545
                  > 514,080
                  > 3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > 4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > (2457,0,1):
                  > 1 00 82 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
                  > 514,017
                  > 2 00 05 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 6,827,625
                  > 32,130
                  > 3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > 4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > (2489,0,1):
                  > 1 00 F0 1,023 254 63 1,023 254 63 63
                  > 32,067
                  > 2 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > 3 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  > 4 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0
                  0
                  > 0
                  >
                  > I've skipped the 'detailed information about each partition' as
                  from
                  > what I saw, it isn't really involved that much with the MBR. Tell
                  me
                  > if you need it though.
                  >
                  > >
                  > > Doc: Howcum in your list the Linux file system is 'ext3', but
                  > > in your line above it is 'ext2'? (I'm not linux conversant.)
                  >
                  > No big msytery here: they share the same identifying hex code for
                  the
                  > partition (83h) as do NTFS and HPFS (07h). Ext3 is more or less the
                  > same as Ext2, but it journals HDD activity, and recovers better
                  from
                  > a system crash or power outage.
                  >
                  > > I noticed that your NTFS and 2nd FAT16 partitions weren't included
                  > > as offered for booting either. I wonder if you ever formatted
                  them?
                  > > Absence of (i.e. empty) Partition Boot Records might be why they
                  are
                  > > not in the list. I haven't looked in the SWAP file partition, but
                  > the
                  > > fact it might NOT be empty could be the reason RPM thinks it
                  MIGHT
                  > be
                  > > bootable.
                  >
                  > That (tiny) NTFS partition shouldn't be bootable; it's only there
                  for
                  > use as a partition for hosting websites on: I run a web-server
                  under
                  > 2k for testing out my website before uploading, and it complains
                  much
                  > less if it has an NTFS partition to work on and set file
                  permissions
                  > differently for creator and viewer.
                  >
                  > The only ones that should be bootable, and therefore that I'd like
                  to
                  > see in the boot menu, are as follows, going by the numbers in the
                  > printout:
                  >
                  > Partition 2: FAT-16 (Hidden)
                  > MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 3.0
                  > I can unhide manually by changing it's hex number, but it needs to
                  be
                  > hidden for the sake of Windows 98. Boots properly when MBR is set
                  up
                  > manually.
                  >
                  > Partition 3: FAT-32 LBA
                  > Windows 98, Windows 2000
                  > This partition has the 2K boot loader instaleld in it. I'd like to
                  be
                  > able to pass keypresses to go to 98 or 2k straight from the first
                  > boot loader. Boots properly when MBR is set up manually.
                  >
                  > Partition 9: Linux ext2fs
                  > Red Hat Linux
                  > This partition will have lilo (or grub) installed to it, to boot an
                  > assortment of kernels; I won't be looking to pass keypresses to
                  this
                  > loader, as I'll only have one choice unless I'm recompiling a test
                  > kernel or something similar. It would have RH 7.3 on it, but my
                  first
                  > installer disc is playing up, so I'll be downloading RH 9.0 from
                  > school between this week and next, and then install that.
                  > Consequently, I can't guarantee that this partition is configured
                  > properly.
                  >
                  > All partitions apart from the two Linux ones are formatted, and as
                  > testament, they currently have at least some data on them.
                  >
                  > TIA,
                  >
                  > Geraint Rowlands
                  >
                  >
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