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  • barb010663
    Hi Kat, thanks for your msg it was good to read your story, my daughter is in boarding school in Harrogate my husband is in the forces so as we move around a
    Message 1 of 9 , Apr 1, 2003
      Hi Kat,
      thanks for your msg it was good to read your story, my daughter is in
      boarding school in Harrogate my husband is in the forces so as we
      move around a lot she has a stable education there. She will be home
      for Easter soon and I have decided to show her this site in the hope
      that the words and encouragment of others will spur her on to make
      the right descision. I would imagine that she will be keen to email
      you and others that replied to my message, I know she is scared and
      really doesn't want to go ahead with everything but I do think that
      when she is older she will thank us for steering her in this
      direction. (hopefully!!) We have an appointment with the surgeon on
      28th April and that is when we have to make the descision really to
      get the ball rolling. Any words of encouragment will be gratefully
      received, her name is Amy by the way. I daresay she will be logging
      on herself in the next couple of days, I have already earmarked the
      various photos I want her to see on the site!! Thanks again for all
      your messages I daresay we will be signing in regularly for moral
      support. Barb.

      --- In orthognathicsurgerysupport@yahoogroups.com, "martyn WARWICK"
      <martynwarwick@m...> wrote:
      > Hi Barb welcome to the group. My name is Kat; I am 17
      and
      > also live in the UK, in Yorkshire to be precise.
      > I notice the heaps of valuable advice you have received from the
      boards.
      > Rather than giving you relatively the same advice, I thought I
      would let
      > you know my experience.
      > I was first enlightened to the prospect of surgery when I was 12. I
      > wouldn't say that my teeth were a real mess, but they weren't how I
      > would have liked them to be. My upper jaw had stopped growing, and
      my
      > lower has spurred ahead, leading to a development of a class III
      under
      > bite. This really took an affect on my appearance as well as my
      > confidence. In fact for as long as I can remember I have always had
      > evidence of a prominent lower jaw even as a toddler. I was
      constantly
      > put down and bullied because of my inherited problem. When it was
      first
      > mentioned by my regular dentist, I was upset and scared that he was
      > going to refer me to a specialist, as he said there was nothing
      more he
      > could do for me. Without me really realising this is where the
      journey
      > started out. When my orthodontist told me of surgery I came out of
      his
      > office pleading with my mum that I wasn't having any surgery, she
      was
      > fine with it as she didn't want me pressurised and I don't think
      she was
      > too keen on the idea either. However the more times I went down to
      > appointments and the more I got to know my ortho and surgeon, the
      more
      > relaxed I became. I still hadn't actually said that I was having
      the
      > surgery done, I guess the idea just grew on my over my five years of
      > treatment. My parents are divorced and I have to say that my dad
      and his
      > girlfriend never got used to the idea of surgery. My dad also has
      this
      > condition, and so do many of his family. They have never had
      treatment
      > in any way, so I guess by me deciding to go through with this; it is
      > making them feel insecure about their own conditions. However I am
      the
      > one who had the worst condition out of all of them. My teeth never
      met,
      > and I had never seen my top front teeth when I smiled or talked.
      In the
      > last year or so before surgery chewing was extremely difficult and I
      > would often find that I would choke on foods.
      > I too was on the NHS; I have found and still find their service very
      > good. However it came as a shock to me that the hospital I went to
      only
      > had one day of operating theatre per week, which could mean that at
      any
      > time in the lead up to my surgery, and even including the day, it
      could
      > be cancelled if an emergency cancer case came in. I didn't mind
      this as
      > my operation wasn't as important as theirs. Last march 2002 I was
      due
      > to have my wisdom teeth taken out, under general anaesthetic, it was
      > cancelled a week before surgery because of a cancer case. I ended
      up
      > having them taken out at the end of April. They were taken out
      before
      > the jaw surgery as this area of bone was particularly fragile, and
      it
      > would allow the cavities to heal before the jaw surgery. Also I was
      > told if they were present during the jaw surgery then it would be
      more
      > difficult to predict where the bone would break. This surgery was
      my
      > first, I was very groggy when I came round and was throwing up blood
      > that I had swallowed during the surgery for the rest of the day. I
      felt
      > really ruff, but I didn't know what to expect. My jaw surgery was
      set
      > for the 1st of august 2002. I was to be admitted into hospital on
      the
      > day before 31st July. I found this group about a week to 2 weeks
      before
      > my jaw surgery. In that time they mad me so welcome, and so calm
      about
      > my surgery. They provided me with so much advice, information and
      more
      > valuable support. I have a lot to thanks everyone on this boards
      for, I
      > feel that if it wasn't for them I wouldn't have got through the
      > operation and recovery as well as I did, sometimes I feel that I
      would
      > have backed out at the last minute. I went to hospital the day
      before,
      > calm and relaxed, I couldn't believe that I didn't have any nerves
      at
      > all. I was ready. I had been waiting for this day for the past
      five
      > years of my life. My mum left me and the next day I had to go down
      to
      > theatre on my own. I rang my mum in the morning to speak to her one
      > last time before I went down. I left the ward about 8.45, I was
      2nd in
      > theatre, and I went in about 10 ish. I remember waking up in the
      > recovery room with my mum beside me. I was still relaxed and I even
      > managed a smile. I remember feeling really thirsty, they weren't
      sure I
      > should have anything to drink in case I was sick, but I insisted. I
      > felt fine, and had no pain. Back on the ward I was sick, but I had
      a
      > stomach tube, so I didn't feel uncomfortable or anything, actually
      as
      > gross as it sounds I was laughing as it was coming out of a nose
      tube
      > into a bag. I recall saying that I felt like Mr Bean, when I blew
      up a
      > bag of sick and it exploded over everyone on that plane.
      > In my opinion my jaw surgery was far easier and less painful than my
      > wisdom teeth, which I what my surgeon and ortho told me.
      > I am really glad to have had the opportunity to do this and would
      do it
      > again in a flash if I had to. It has helped me so much, I can now
      chew,
      > smile without covering my face up, I am so much more confident and I
      > don't care what people say or think of me now. I feel my own
      person,
      > one who can be happy and free. Also I can breathe through my nose,
      as I
      > couldn't properly before surgery. This was helped by the movement
      of my
      > jaws abs also my surgeon operated on my sinuses whilst I was
      under.
      > I had both upper and lower surgery, my upper was moved forward by
      6mm
      > and the lower was taken back by 5mm. In addition to this I also
      had RPE
      > (Rapid Palatal Expansion) where they basically widened the roof of
      my
      > mouth. The surgery sounds complicated and scary to anyone, but I
      think
      > that the more consultations you have and the more questions you
      ask, it
      > does grow on you and everything starts to fall in place.
      > I does get easier, I promise, my mum came round and was happy for me
      > that I was having something done that deep down I knew I really
      wanted.
      > Like any mum I guess they get scared. My mum often told me that she
      > wished she could have the surgery done for me in my place, but she
      knew
      > she couldn't, so she and the rest of my family where by my side
      every
      > step of the way and that amongst those people from the boards was
      the
      > best method of support I could ever ask for.
      > Try sitting down with your daughter and going through these post.
      Also
      > try making a list of the advantages and disadvantages of having this
      > surgery were if I did it now I would have no disadvantages, but I
      bet
      > before I would have had loads. Looking at the photos on site one
      and
      > two help a lot too. It really put it's into perspective for you. I
      > have my before and after photos under `katerina' on site one. They
      need
      > up dating really, but you can really see the difference.
      > Hope this didn't take a lifetime to read, lol… I do tend to write
      more
      > than needed. Oh one more thing where about in north England do you
      > live. I am in east Yorkshire, and went to hull royal infirmary for
      my
      > appointments and surgery. My orthodontist is called Mr Coope and my
      > surgeon is called Mr Starr.
      > Hope this helps you and your daughter.
      > Good luck
      > Regards,
      > Kat_UK
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: barb010663 [mailto:barb010663@y...]
      > Sent: 29 March 2003 17:16
      > To: orthognathicsurgerysupport@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] surgery shock!!
      >
      > My daughter who is 15 has just been to the orthodontist about her
      > crooked bottom teeth and very sensitive teeth problem, she has
      > returned saying that she has an overbite and has to have teeth
      > extracted and fixed braces for 2 years followed by the dreaded jaw
      > surgery, I'm in shock ( and so is she!!) my first reaction was to
      say
      > no you've got great teeth,you don't need to put yurself through
      that,
      > however after reading the messages here and talking to her dentist
      I
      > have come to the conclusion that it would be for the best, however
      I
      > now have to persuade her!! any tips? Also do you think she would
      have
      > to have upper and lower surgery? Would it alter her features
      > dramatically? She does have a weak chin in profile but not
      > drastically so, and she is v pretty already. We live in the UK in
      the
      > North of England and she would be having this done under the NHS
      her
      > surgeons name is Mr Kindelan has anyone in the UK had any
      experience
      > of his work? any help and support gratefully received.
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • martyn WARWICK
      HI Barb and Amy, hope you are both well. It’s actually a comfort to me that there are more young people opting for this, so I don t feel such a loner.
      Message 2 of 9 , Apr 1, 2003
        HI Barb and Amy, hope you are both well. It�s actually a comfort to me
        that there are more young people opting for this, so I don't feel such a
        loner. Please tell Amy that she is quite welcome to email me for any
        moral support she may need, that includes you too. I�m sure that my mum
        would be interested in how you feel about it all, as she always wished
        and worried that she could take my place for me. I agree that it
        helps to talk to others in the same situation for moral support and
        advice. I think that is the best remade for getting through the whole
        of the treatment.

        Have you been told the time gap between Amy�s treatment and when she
        will actually have her surgery done? I think because my bite was bad at
        a young age they started to work with it then, plus my teeth and jaws
        are so stubborn that they took the whole five years to actually move
        into place ready for surgery. I have to say that I am grateful that we
        opted to start out early, as I would have been having surgery during
        university, which I didn�t really fancy doing. Though I would have if I
        had too.

        Strange that Amy is studying at Harrogate. My brother is currently at
        university in Leeds studying architecture. Its nice to know that there
        is someone not so far away that will be experiencing what I myself have
        been through, and that I can possibly help the from what I have learnt.
        Do you actually live in Harrogate then or is it just Amy at the boarding
        school?

        I think that if she has the courage to go away for school alone, then
        she will be ok for this surgery. I lacked confidence
        before surgery. I hated going away from home even for the night. I was
        a true home body. In a way I still am now that I am post op, but I am
        getting used to the idea of going away to university etc. which I don�t
        think I would have had the courage to do before hand.

        The photos are a great place to start and really put the opportunity
        into perspective for you and Amy. They will help a great deal, and so
        will this site. I found it 1 or maybe 2 weeks before my surgery and what
        I learnt in that time was amazing, that was purely from the support of
        everyone on here. They truly are the kindest people I have ever known.
        Well including my family and friends too. Lol�
        I�ll look forward to meeting Amy,
        Regards,
        Kat_UK (east yorks)


        -----Original Message-----
        From: barb010663 [mailto:barb010663@...]
        Sent: 01 April 2003 10:02
        To: orthognathicsurgerysupport@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re:thanks kat and everyone who
        replied (surgery shock)


        Hi Kat,
        thanks for your msg it was good to read your story, my daughter is in
        boarding school in Harrogate my husband is in the forces so as we
        move around a lot she has a stable education there. She will be home
        for Easter soon and I have decided to show her this site in the hope
        that the words and encouragment of others will spur her on to make
        the right descision. I would imagine that she will be keen to email
        you and others that replied to my message, I know she is scared and
        really doesn't want to go ahead with everything but I do think that
        when she is older she will thank us for steering her in this
        direction. (hopefully!!) We have an appointment with the surgeon on
        28th April and that is when we have to make the descision really to
        get the ball rolling. Any words of encouragment will be gratefully
        received, her name is Amy by the way. I daresay she will be logging
        on herself in the next couple of days, I have already earmarked the
        various photos I want her to see on the site!! Thanks again for all
        your messages I daresay we will be signing in regularly for moral
        support. Barb.

        --- In orthognathicsurgerysupport@yahoogroups.com, "martyn WARWICK"
        <martynwarwick@m...> wrote:
        > Hi Barb welcome to the group. My name is Kat; I am 17
        and
        > also live in the UK, in Yorkshire to be precise.
        > I notice the heaps of valuable advice you have received from the
        boards.
        > Rather than giving you relatively the same advice, I thought I
        would let
        > you know my experience.
        > I was first enlightened to the prospect of surgery when I was 12. I
        > wouldn't say that my teeth were a real mess, but they weren't how I
        > would have liked them to be. My upper jaw had stopped growing, and
        my
        > lower has spurred ahead, leading to a development of a class III
        under
        > bite. This really took an affect on my appearance as well as my
        > confidence. In fact for as long as I can remember I have always had
        > evidence of a prominent lower jaw even as a toddler. I was
        constantly
        > put down and bullied because of my inherited problem. When it was
        first
        > mentioned by my regular dentist, I was upset and scared that he was
        > going to refer me to a specialist, as he said there was nothing
        more he
        > could do for me. Without me really realising this is where the
        journey
        > started out. When my orthodontist told me of surgery I came out of
        his
        > office pleading with my mum that I wasn't having any surgery, she
        was
        > fine with it as she didn't want me pressurised and I don't think
        she was
        > too keen on the idea either. However the more times I went down to
        > appointments and the more I got to know my ortho and surgeon, the
        more
        > relaxed I became. I still hadn't actually said that I was having
        the
        > surgery done, I guess the idea just grew on my over my five years of
        > treatment. My parents are divorced and I have to say that my dad
        and his
        > girlfriend never got used to the idea of surgery. My dad also has
        this
        > condition, and so do many of his family. They have never had
        treatment
        > in any way, so I guess by me deciding to go through with this; it is
        > making them feel insecure about their own conditions. However I am
        the
        > one who had the worst condition out of all of them. My teeth never
        met,
        > and I had never seen my top front teeth when I smiled or talked.
        In the
        > last year or so before surgery chewing was extremely difficult and I
        > would often find that I would choke on foods.
        > I too was on the NHS; I have found and still find their service very
        > good. However it came as a shock to me that the hospital I went to
        only
        > had one day of operating theatre per week, which could mean that at
        any
        > time in the lead up to my surgery, and even including the day, it
        could
        > be cancelled if an emergency cancer case came in. I didn't mind
        this as
        > my operation wasn't as important as theirs. Last march 2002 I was
        due
        > to have my wisdom teeth taken out, under general anaesthetic, it was
        > cancelled a week before surgery because of a cancer case. I ended
        up
        > having them taken out at the end of April. They were taken out
        before
        > the jaw surgery as this area of bone was particularly fragile, and
        it
        > would allow the cavities to heal before the jaw surgery. Also I was
        > told if they were present during the jaw surgery then it would be
        more
        > difficult to predict where the bone would break. This surgery was
        my
        > first, I was very groggy when I came round and was throwing up blood
        > that I had swallowed during the surgery for the rest of the day. I
        felt
        > really ruff, but I didn't know what to expect. My jaw surgery was
        set
        > for the 1st of august 2002. I was to be admitted into hospital on
        the
        > day before 31st July. I found this group about a week to 2 weeks
        before
        > my jaw surgery. In that time they mad me so welcome, and so calm
        about
        > my surgery. They provided me with so much advice, information and
        more
        > valuable support. I have a lot to thanks everyone on this boards
        for, I
        > feel that if it wasn't for them I wouldn't have got through the
        > operation and recovery as well as I did, sometimes I feel that I
        would
        > have backed out at the last minute. I went to hospital the day
        before,
        > calm and relaxed, I couldn't believe that I didn't have any nerves
        at
        > all. I was ready. I had been waiting for this day for the past
        five
        > years of my life. My mum left me and the next day I had to go down
        to
        > theatre on my own. I rang my mum in the morning to speak to her one
        > last time before I went down. I left the ward about 8.45, I was
        2nd in
        > theatre, and I went in about 10 ish. I remember waking up in the
        > recovery room with my mum beside me. I was still relaxed and I even
        > managed a smile. I remember feeling really thirsty, they weren't
        sure I
        > should have anything to drink in case I was sick, but I insisted. I
        > felt fine, and had no pain. Back on the ward I was sick, but I had
        a
        > stomach tube, so I didn't feel uncomfortable or anything, actually
        as
        > gross as it sounds I was laughing as it was coming out of a nose
        tube
        > into a bag. I recall saying that I felt like Mr Bean, when I blew
        up a
        > bag of sick and it exploded over everyone on that plane.
        > In my opinion my jaw surgery was far easier and less painful than my
        > wisdom teeth, which I what my surgeon and ortho told me.
        > I am really glad to have had the opportunity to do this and would
        do it
        > again in a flash if I had to. It has helped me so much, I can now
        chew,
        > smile without covering my face up, I am so much more confident and I
        > don't care what people say or think of me now. I feel my own
        person,
        > one who can be happy and free. Also I can breathe through my nose,
        as I
        > couldn't properly before surgery. This was helped by the movement
        of my
        > jaws abs also my surgeon operated on my sinuses whilst I was
        under.
        > I had both upper and lower surgery, my upper was moved forward by
        6mm
        > and the lower was taken back by 5mm. In addition to this I also
        had RPE
        > (Rapid Palatal Expansion) where they basically widened the roof of
        my
        > mouth. The surgery sounds complicated and scary to anyone, but I
        think
        > that the more consultations you have and the more questions you
        ask, it
        > does grow on you and everything starts to fall in place.
        > I does get easier, I promise, my mum came round and was happy for me
        > that I was having something done that deep down I knew I really
        wanted.
        > Like any mum I guess they get scared. My mum often told me that she
        > wished she could have the surgery done for me in my place, but she
        knew
        > she couldn't, so she and the rest of my family where by my side
        every
        > step of the way and that amongst those people from the boards was
        the
        > best method of support I could ever ask for.
        > Try sitting down with your daughter and going through these post.
        Also
        > try making a list of the advantages and disadvantages of having this
        > surgery were if I did it now I would have no disadvantages, but I
        bet
        > before I would have had loads. Looking at the photos on site one
        and
        > two help a lot too. It really put it's into perspective for you. I
        > have my before and after photos under `katerina' on site one. They
        need
        > up dating really, but you can really see the difference.
        > Hope this didn't take a lifetime to read, lol� I do tend to write
        more
        > than needed. Oh one more thing where about in north England do you
        > live. I am in east Yorkshire, and went to hull royal infirmary for
        my
        > appointments and surgery. My orthodontist is called Mr Coope and my
        > surgeon is called Mr Starr.
        > Hope this helps you and your daughter.
        > Good luck
        > Regards,
        > Kat_UK
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: barb010663 [mailto:barb010663@y...]
        > Sent: 29 March 2003 17:16
        > To: orthognathicsurgerysupport@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] surgery shock!!
        >
        > My daughter who is 15 has just been to the orthodontist about her
        > crooked bottom teeth and very sensitive teeth problem, she has
        > returned saying that she has an overbite and has to have teeth
        > extracted and fixed braces for 2 years followed by the dreaded jaw
        > surgery, I'm in shock ( and so is she!!) my first reaction was to
        say
        > no you've got great teeth,you don't need to put yurself through
        that,
        > however after reading the messages here and talking to her dentist
        I
        > have come to the conclusion that it would be for the best, however
        I
        > now have to persuade her!! any tips? Also do you think she would
        have
        > to have upper and lower surgery? Would it alter her features
        > dramatically? She does have a weak chin in profile but not
        > drastically so, and she is v pretty already. We live in the UK in
        the
        > North of England and she would be having this done under the NHS
        her
        > surgeons name is Mr Kindelan has anyone in the UK had any
        experience
        > of his work? any help and support gratefully received.
        >
        >
        >
        >
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