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    Dear All The scanned article concerning a recent letter & other MP matters by MP priest - Father George Edelshtein (friend of Father Victor Potapov - who
    Message 1 of 15 , Dec 1, 2003
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      Dear All

      The scanned article concerning a recent letter & other MP matters by MP
      priest - Father George
      Edelshtein (friend of Father Victor Potapov - who himself in a recent
      Russian interview said that he is even surprised with the speed of the
      rapprochement) speaks for itself. The scanning technology used is not
      great but I hope the gist of it can be understood.

      The article is in Russian only.

      protodeacon Basil from Canberra

       Ïåðåïå÷àòêà ïî íîâîé îðôîãðàôèè èç Ñ. Ïåòåðáóðãñêîãî
      "Ïðàâîñëàâíîãî îáîçðåíèÿ^ èþíü 2003, Ìî. 6.
      Ïðîòèâîñòîÿíèå èçíóòðè: ìîìåâò èñòèíû
      " îäíîé èç ãîðîäîâ Äðåâíåé Ãðåöèè âëàäû÷åñòâîâàë
      æåñòîêèé òèðàí. Ìíîãîëåòíåå åãî ïðàâëåíèå áûëî âðåìåíåì
      ñïëîøíûõ êàçíåé è ãðàáåæåé. Èìóùåñòâî êàçíåííûõ êîí-
      ôèñêîâûâàëîñü, à íàðîä áûë ïî÷òè çàäóøåí íåïîìåðíûìè íà-
      ëîãàìè. Êðîâü ëèëàñü ðåêîþ: ëþäè óáèâàëè íå òîëüêî «ëî
      ñóäó", íî è áåç âñêîãî ïîäîáèÿ ñóäà. Êðîìå ñàìîãî òèðàíà.
      íèêòî íå íîã ñ÷èòàòü, äàæå èç åãî áëèæàéøåãî îêðóæåíèÿ,
      ÷òî èõ æèçíü â áåçîïàñíîñòè. Âñå, äàæå òå, êîìó ïî çàíèìàå-
      ìîìó ïîëîæåíèþ ïðèõîäèëîñü ñ ðàäîñòíûìè ëèöàìè
      åæåäíåâíî ïðèâåòñòâîâàòü æåñòîêîãî ìó÷èòåëÿ, â òàéíå íåíà-
      âèäåëè ñâîåãî ãîñïîäèíà è æåëàëè åãî ñìåðòè. È òèðàí îá
      ýòîé íåíàâèñòè õîðîøî çíàë.
      Îäíàæäû åãî øïèîíû äîëîæèëè åìó î ñèòóàöèè,
      êîòîðàÿ åãî ÷ðåçâû÷àéíî óäèâèëà. Áóäòî áû æèâåò â
      ïîäâëàñòíîì åìó ãîðîäå ñòàðóõà, êîòîðàÿ äåííî è íîùíî
      íîëèòñÿ áåñàì, îáèòàþùèì íà ãîðå Îëèìï (äðåâíèå ãðåêè
      ñòàòàëè èõ áîãàìè) î ïðîäëåíèè æèçíè òèðàíà. Íå ìîã
      ìó÷èòåëü â ýòî ïîâåðèòü è ñòàðóõó êðåïêî ñâÿçàííóþ ïî
      ðóêàì è íîãàì, ïðèâåëè ê íåìó âî äâîðåö íà.. äîïðîñ. "Ïðàâäà
      ëè òî" ÷òî ìíå ñîîáùèëè î òåáå?" ãðîçíî ñïðîñèë òèðàí.
      Ñòàðóõà îòâåòèëà, ÷òî øïèîíû åìó íå ñîëãàëè. Ë1î ïî÷åìó?
      Âåäü ÿ íå ãëóï è íå ìîãó íå äîãàäûâàòüñÿ î òîì, ÷òî äóìàþò
      îáî ìíå ìîè ïîääàííûå! Íåóæåëè æå òû èñêðåííå æåëàåøü
      ìíå äîëãèõ ëåò æèçíè?" .Ñóùàÿ ïðàâäà, âåëèêèé ãîñïîäèí Ã
      Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ÿ ïðîæèëà, â ýòîì ãîðîäå î÷åíü ìíîãî ëåò/
      Çà. ýòî âðåìÿ ñìåíèëîñü íåñêîëüêî òèðàíîâ. È êàæäûé ïîñëå-
      äóþùèé, ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ åãî ïðåäøåñòâåííèêîì, áûë íå-
      ñðàâíåííî áîëåå æåñòîê. Ïîýòîìó ÿ êàæäûé äåíü ìîëþñü î
      òîì, ÷òîáû îáèòàòåëè Îëèìïà ïðîäëèëè òâîþ äàãîöåííóþ
      .æèçíü".
      Ýòó äðåâíåãðå÷åñêóþ ëåãåíäó ñåãîäíÿ ñàìîå âðåìÿ âñïîìíèòü
      òåì, êòî óæå ìíîãî ëåò âåäåò .áîðüáó èçíóòðè" Ìîñêîâñêîé Ïàòðè-
      àðõèè. Âïîëíå îòäàâàÿ ñåáå îò÷åò â òîì åðåòè÷åñêîì ïîâðåæäåíèè, â
      êîòîðîì íàõîäèòñÿ Ì.Ï., ýòè èñêðåííèå ëþäè, ñâÿùåííîñëóæèòåëè è
      ìèðÿíå, âñå-òàêè óïîâàþò íà òî, ÷òî ðåëèãèîçíîå ñîîáùåñòâî, â êîãî-


      ðîì îíè ïðåáûâàþò, âñå åùå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ÷àñòüþ Âñåëåíñêîé Ïðàâî-
      ñëàâíîé Öåðêâè, à ïîýòîìó ìîæåò áûòü "âûëå÷åíî", òàê ñêàçàòü, äî-
      ìàøíèìè ñðåäñòâàìè. Ãàçåòû è æóðíàëû, ïðèäåðæèâàþùèåñÿ ïðèí-
      öèïà ..ïðîòèâîñòîÿíèÿ èçíóòðè', íàïðèìåð, âñå ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû ïðè-
      âèâàëè ÷èòàòåëÿì ìûñëü î òîì, ÷òî åñëè íàðîäíîå äâèæåíèå çà íåçà-
      ìóòíåííîå åðåñÿìè Ïðàâîñëàâèå áóäåò â Ì.Ï. äîñòàòî÷íî ñèëüíûì, òî
      ïàðòèÿ àðõèåðååâ - ðåâíèòåëåé âîçîáëàäàåò, ïîäîáíûõ èè åïèñêîïîâ
      ãîä îò ãîäà ñòàíîâèòüñÿ áóäåò âñå áîëüøå, ïðî÷èå áóäóò èñïðàâ-
      ëÿòüñÿ, è, â êîíöå êîíöîâ, äàæå Ïàòðèàðõ Àëåêñèé (Ðèäèãåð) ñòàíåò
      äîñòîéíûì ñâîåãî ñàíà,
      Ïîäîáíûå íàñòðîåíèÿ îïèðàëèñü íà. ðàçëè÷íûå ïðîïàãàíäèñòñêèå
      êîìïàíèè â ñðåäñòâàõ ìàññîâîé èíôîðìàöèè, íàïðàâëåííûå íà äîñòè-
      æåíèå òåõ èëè èíûõ öåëåé. Âïðî÷åì, èç áîëåå-ìåíåå çíà÷èòåëüíûõ.
      çàäà÷ áûëà ðåøåíà, òîëüêî îäíà: ðåâíèòåëÿì óäàëîñü äîáèòüñÿ îò èå-
      ðàðõèè Ì.Ï. ïîâòîðíîãî ïðîñëàâëåíèÿ Ñâÿòûõ Öàðñòâåííûõ Ìó÷å-
      íèêîâ. (Ïåðâîå, è â êàíîíè÷åñêîì ñìûñëå åäèíñòâåííîå, ïðîñëàâëåíèå
      ñîñòîÿëîñü åùå â 1981 ãîäó, êîãäà Öàðñêàÿ Ñåìüÿ áûëà ïðè÷èñëåíà
      ê ëèêó ñâÿòûõ Ðóññêîé Ïðàâîñëàâíîé Öåðêîâüþ Çàãðàíèöåé). Âî âñåõ
      ïðî÷èõ ñëó÷àÿõ òðåáîâàíèÿ íàðîäà ê èåðàðõàì ñî âðåìåíåì ñòèõàëè è
      íè÷åãî îñîáåííîãî íå ïðîèñõîäèëî. ßðêèì ïðèìåðîì ïîäîáíîãî ìî- |
      æåò ñëóæèòü ëåòî 1998 ãîäà, êîãäà â ïðåääâåðèè çàõîðîíåíèÿ â |
      Ïåòðîïàâëîâñêîì ñîáîðå .öàðñêèõ" ëæåîñòàíêîâ èç Ï.îðîñåíêîâà I
      Ëîãà. âñþ âåñíó ïî âñåì. ãîðîäàì Ðîññèè, îñîáåííî â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåð- |
      áóðãå è Ìîñêâå, ïðîõîäèëè ìîëåíèÿ, êðåñòíûå õîäû è ñòîÿíèÿ, |
      ñîáèðàëèñü ñîòíè òûñÿ÷ ïîäïèñåé ïðîòèâ êîùóíñòâà, íî â ñàìûé |
      äåíü ïîõîðîí ïîñëåäîâàëà êîìàíäà ñèäåòü ïî äîìàì. Êîùóíñòâî |
      ïðîèçîøëî áåç âñÿêîãî íàìåêà íà. ñîïðîòèâëåíèå, à íà ñëåäóþùèé |
      äåíü âñå ïðîäîëæèëîñü êàê íè. â ÷åì. íè áûâàëî. Òàê äî ñèõ ïîð |
      ïîäïèñè è ñîáèðàþòñÿ, à. êðåñòíûå õîäû ïåðåñåêàþò Ðîññèþ âî âñåõ
      íàïðàâëåíèÿõ, ïðè÷åì óæå íå òîëüêî ïî çåìëå, íî è ïî âîäå è äàæå
      ïî âîçäóõó: áëàãî ïîâîäîâ äëÿ âñåãî ýòîò ïðåäîñòàòî÷íî. Àðõèåðåè-
      ïåäåðàñòû è. ñâÿùåííèêè-ïðîõîäèìöû íà ñâîèõ ìåñòàõ, áåçáîæíûå
      âëàñòè ïðàâîñëàâíûõ, ðåâíèòåëåé ïðèòåñíÿþò, íà î÷åðåäíûõ âûáîðàõ
      íóæíî ñâîåãî êàíäèäàòàò ïîääåðæàòü - ñëó÷àåâ äëÿ ïðîÿâëåíèÿ
      àêòèâíîñòè õîòü îòáàâëÿé.
      Âïðî÷åì íå çà ãîðàìè: ìîìåíò, êîãäà âñÿ ýòà ïÿòíàäöàòèëåòíÿÿ
      áîðüáà äîëæíà ïðîéòè ïðîâåðêó íà. ðåçóëüòàò. Áîëåçíü Ïàòðèàðõà
      Àëåêñèÿ (Ðèäèãåð) è òî, ÷òî çà. íåé ïîñëåäóåò (ìû ïèøåì îá ýòîì áåç
      íàñìåøêè èëè åðíè÷åñòâà, ñîâåðøåííî íå æåëàÿ åãî êîí÷èíû áåç ïî-
      êàÿíèÿ, à êàê î ñîáûòèè, êîòîðîå êîãäà-íèáóäü íåìèíóåìî ïðîèçîé-
      äåò), ñòàâèò ïåðåä ÷ëåíàèè Ì.Ï. âàæíûé âîïðîñ: "Êòî ñòàíåò íàñëåä-
      |
      íèêîè ãëàâû Ìîñêîâñêîé Ïàòðèàðõèè?'* Ïî ñìûñëó âñåõ. ïðåäñêàçà" |
      íèé âûøåóêàçàííîé ïðåññû, ïîëòîðà äåñÿòèëåòèÿ ïðîòèâîñòîÿíèÿ |
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      èçíóòðè äîëæíû áû óæå äàòü íåêèé ïîëîæ.èòåëüíûé ðåçóëüòàò. ×òî
      æå ìîæåò ïðîèçîéòè íà ñàìîì äåëå?
      Íåäàâíî ÷åðåç Èíòåðíåò áûëî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî .Îáðàùåíèå ÷ëåíà
      Ìîñêîâñêîé Õåëüñèíêñêîé ãðóïïû, êëèðèêà Êîñòðîìñêîé åïàðõèè
      Ð.Ï.Ö. Ì.Ï. ñâÿùåííèêà Ãåîðãèÿ Ýäåëûíòåéÿ, ê Ïðåçèäåíòó ÐÆ Â.
      Â. Ïóòèíó". Â ñâîåì îáðàùåíèè îòåö Ãåîðãèé âûðàæàåò íåäîóìåíèå
      íàãðàæäåíèåì îðäåíîì Äðóæáû .çà äîñòèãíóòûå óñïåõè è ìíîãîëåò-
      íèé òðóä" Ìèòðîïîëèòà (íûíåøíåãî Êàçàõå òàéñêîãî) Ìåôîäèÿ
      (Íåìöîâà), ðàññìàòðèâàÿ ýòîò ôàêò â êîíòåêñòå .ïðåäâûáîðíîé áîðü-
      áüà çà ïàòðèàðøèé òðîí â Ì.Ï.
      Ïîïóòíî ñ èíûìè âåñüìà öåííûìè íàáëþäåíèÿìè, àâòîð îáðàùà-
      åò âíèìàíèå íà òàêóþ õàðàêòåðíóþ òåíäåíöèþ.
      "Ïðååìíèêè è ïðîäîëæàòåëè åãî (Ëåíøø - ..Ïð.ÎÓ) äåëà
      óòâåðæäàëè â òåîðèè è íà ïðàêòèêå, ÷òî êàäðû âî âñåõ îá-
      ëàñòÿõ" ðåøàþò âñå. Îäíèì èç âàæ^þéøèõ è ^òîäîòâîðíåé-
      øèõ ìåòîäîâ áîðüáû ñ öåðêîâüþ áûë ïðèçíàí ìåòîä ñåëåêöèè,
      âîñïèòàíèÿ è ðàçñòàíîâêè êàäðîâ^ Ïðèíÿòî ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî
      Ðóññêàÿ Ïðà?îñëàâí(ì Öåðêîò óæå ïîëîñòüþ îñâîáîäèëàñü
      îò êîñòîëîìíûæ îáúÿòèé ãîñóäàðñòâà, íî çà /þñëåäíåå âðåìÿ
      â íåé ñëîæèëàñü ïàðàäîêñàëüíàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ.
      Ïðîôåññîð ÄìËîñïåëîâñêèé ïèñàë â ..Âåñòíøå ÀÕÄ."
      (159, ñòð. 213): .è ïîñëåäíåå äåñÿòèëåòèå, êîãäà ïîêîéíûé
      Ïàòðèàðõ Ïèìåí áûë (/æå íå ó äåë. Öåðêîâüþ óïðàâëÿëè åãî
      èìåíåì âðåìåíùèêè, îêðóæàâøèå Ïàòðèàðõà, à âðåìåíùèæè-
      ìè â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè óïðàâëÿëà íåáåçûçâåñòíàÿ "êîí-
      òîðà", íåðåäêî ïîñðåäñòâîì øàíòàæà\ Áîëüíûì, ñëàáûì,
      áåçâîëüíûì- Ïàòðèàðõîì óïðàâëÿþò âðåìåíùèêè, à âðåìåíùè-
      êàìè "êîíòîðà'. Ïî. íàñêîëüêî ììå èçâåñòíî, íèêòî íèêîãäà
      ïóáëè÷íî íå îáâèíÿë Ïàòðèàðõà Ïèìåíà, ÷òî îí . êîíòîð-
      ùèê".
      Ïèìåí óìåð 3 æø? 1990 ãîäà /ãð. ê(ø, - Ë^ (ÌË Íîâûì Ïàò-
      ðèàðõîì áûë èçáðàí Àëåêñèé ß. Ïîñëå ðàñïàäà ÑÑÑÐ â Ýñòî-
      íèè (.Ðî^òåå^", ! 8.05.! 996), à ïîòîì è â Ðîññèè áûëè îïóáëè-
      êîâàíû äîêóìåíòû, ñâèäåòåëüñòâóþùèå, ÷òî ñâÿùåííèê
      Àëåêñèé Ðèäèãåð áûë çàâåðáîâàí ÊÒß 28 Ôåâðàëÿ 1958 ãîäà
      (ãð. êàë. - "Ïð. 06^ Áîëåå 30 ëåò îí àêòèâíî è ^òîäîòâîðíî
      ñîòðóäíè÷àë ñ îðãàíàìè. Çà ýòî áûë ïðîäâèíóò âî åïèñêîïû.
      íåñêîëüêî ðàç âûåçæàë çà ãðàíèöó. Ïîòîì ñòàë Óïðàâëÿþùèì
      äåëàìè Ìîñêîâñêîé Ïàòðèàðõèè, ïîñòîÿííûì ÷ëåíîì Ñâÿ-
      }öåííîãî Ñèíîäà.,.  ãîä Òûñÿ÷åëåòèÿ Êðåùåíèÿ Ðóñè, êîòîðûé
      ñîâïàë ñ òðèäöàòèëåòèåì òàéíîãî ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâà Àëåêñèÿ
      ñ îðãàíàìè Ê.Ã\Á" îí, ïî ñîîáùåíèÿì ïå÷àòè, áû ë íàã ðîæäåí
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      õóæå, ÷åì åãî ïðåäøåñòâåííèê, è íà ïðèìåðå Íèæåãîðîäñêîé åïàð-
      õèè Ì.Ï., ãäå çà êîðîòêîå âðåèÿ ñìåíèëîñü òðè ïðàâÿùèõ àðõèåðåÿ.
      Äîëãîå âðåìÿ åå âîçãëàâëÿë Ìèòðîïîëèò Íèêîëàé (Êóòåïîâ).
      øèðîêî èçâåñòíûé ñâîèì ñîïðîòèâëåíèåì ïðîñëàâëåíèþ â Ì.Ï. Öàðÿ-
      Ìó÷åíèêà Íèêîëàÿ Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷à. Âëàäûêà íå óñòàâàë ïîâòîðÿòü,
      ÷òî ñêîðåå îí. óìðåò, ÷åì äîïóñòèò ïðîñëàâëåíèÿ Öàðñòâåííûõ
      Ñòðàñòîòåðïöåâ. Îäíàêî, ñóäÿ ïî ðàññêàçàì ñåñòåð Ñåðàôèìî-Äèâååâ-
      ñêîãî ìîíàñòûðÿ, íèæåãîðîäñêèé àðõèåðåé áüø åùå è ñîçíàòåëüíûé
      íàðóøèòåëü çàïîâåäåé ïðåïîäîáíîãî Ñåðàôèìà Ñàðîâñêîãî.
      Ïðåïîäîáíûé çàâåùàë âûáîðû íàñòîÿòåëüíèöû â Äèâååâå òîëüêî
      èç ÷èñëà ñåñòåð îáèòåëè. Êîãäà, â íà÷àëå äåâÿíîñòûõ, â Äèâååâî
      ñîáðàëàñü ìîíàøåñêàÿ îáùèíà, ìîíàøêè ñîáèðàëèñü æèòü ïî ñåðà-
      ôèìîâûì çàïîâåäÿì è âûáðàëè èç ñâîèõ ñòàðøóþ ñåñòðó, áóäóùóþ
      èãóìåíèþ. Àðõèåðåé ýòî èçáðàíèå íå óòâåðäèë, ñêàçàâ: .Âîò -
      ïðîòîäèàêîí, îí áóäåò âàì ñòàðøåé ñåñòðîé. À ñî âðåìåíåì áóäåò ó
      âàñ èãóìåíèÿ, íàñòîÿùàÿ ìîíàõèíÿ'. ×åðåç íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ íàçíà-
      ÷èëè èãóíåíèåé â Ñåðàôèìî-Äèâååâñêèé ìîíàñòûðü èîíàõèèþ èç
      Ñâÿòî-Òðîèöêîãî Ðèæñêîãî ìîíàñòûðÿ. Èãóìåíèÿ Ñåðãèÿ íèêîãäà äî
      ñâîåãî íàçíà÷åíèÿ íå ÷èòàëà, ñåðàôèìî-äèâååâñêîé Ëåòîïèñè", íå
      çíàëà äàæå, ÷òî òàêîå Êàíàâêà Ïðåñâÿòîé Áîãîðîäèöû è ïîýòîìó
      ïîíà÷àëó íå îòïóñêàëà, íà íåå ñåñòåð îáèòåëè. (.Ìàòóøêà, áëàãî-
      ñëîâèòå^ íà Êàíàâêó ñõîäèòü". /Ãåáå, ÷òî, äåëàòü íå÷åãî? Ó òåáÿ
      ñâîáîäíîå âðåìÿ åñòü? Ïîäè òîãäà ëó÷øå â ïîãðåá, ïîìîãè êàðòîøêó
      ïåðåáðàòü'.) Â ðåçóëüòàòå çà ãîäû åå íàñòîÿòåëüñòâà ìîíàñòûðü ïî
      'ñâîåìó óñòàâó ñòàë âïîëíå íàïîìèíàòü .äóõîâíóþ ðîäèíó" èãóìåíèé:
      çäåñü, íàïðèìåð, áûëî ââåäåíî ðèæñêîå ìîëèòâåííîå ïðàâèëî.
      (.Ìàòóøêà! À êàê æ:å áàòþøêèíî ïðàâèëüöå?" .À àðõèåðåé íå áëàãî-
      ñëîâèë!"), õîæäåíèå ïî êàíàâêå ñîâåðøàåòñÿ íå ïî èñêîííî äèâååâ-
      ñêè, à. âåñüìà íàïîìèíàåò âå÷åðíèå êðåñòíûå õîäû â ðèæñêîé îáè-
      òåëè. Óñòàâ Äèâååâñêîé îáèòåëè äàëà ïðåïîäîáíîìó Ñåðàôèìó
      Ïðåñâÿòàÿ Áîãîðîäèöà, à çäåñü íàïðÿìóþ âîëå Öàðèöû Íåáåñíîé
      ïðîòèâîïîñòàâëÿëàñü âîëÿ íèæåãîðîäñêîãî ìèòðîïîëèòà. (. êîíöå
      êîíöîâ, èäåàë, ê êîòîðîìó ìû äîëæíû ñòðåìèòüñÿ - ñäåëàòü èç
      Äèâååâà íå÷òî ïîõîæåå íà Ðèæñêèé Ñâÿòî-Òðîèöêèé ìîíàñòûðü").
      Êîãäà áûëè îòðåñòàâðèðîâàíû Ðîæäåñòâåíñêèå öåðêâè, òî íåóñì-
      ïàåìóþ ïñàëòèðü íà÷àëè ÷èòàòü íå â íèæíåì Ðîæäåñòâà. Áîãîðîäèöû
      õðàìå, êàê çàïîâåäîâàë .ïðåïîäîáíûé Ñåðàôèì, à â âåðõíåì Ðîæ-
      äåñòâà Õðèñòîâà. Ìîòèâèðîâàëîñü ýòî òåì, ÷òî âíèçó ñûðî. è ñåñòðû
      ìîãóò çàáîëåòü (õîòÿ â íèæíåì õðàìå óæå áûëî ïðîâåäåíî
      îòîïëåíèå).
       òðàïåçíîé íèæåãîðîäñêîãî àðõèåðåéñêîãî äîìà íà ïî÷åòíîì
      ìåñòå âèñåë ïîðòðåò èåðîñõèìîíàõà Ñåðàôèìà, òî åñòü òîãî ñàìîãî
      Èâàíà. Òèõîíîâà, â ïðàâëåíèå êîòîðîãî â Äèâååâñêîé îáèòåëè íàðó-
      ^


      øàëèñü âñå çàïîâåäè ïðåïîäîáíîãî è çàñûïàëàñü êàíàâêà. Ñëîâà
      ïðåïîäîáíðîãî Ñåðàôèìà ê ñåñòðàì. .Äî àíòèõðèñòà, íå äîæèâåòå, â
      âðåèåíà' àíòèõðèñòà ïåðåæèâåòå" ìíîãèå îòíîñÿò èìåííî ê ãîäàì
      òèõîíîâñêîãî ïðàâëåíèÿ â ìîíàñòûðå. Ìèòðîïîëèò Íèêîëàé êàæäûé
      ðàç. êîãäà, ñàäèëñÿ çà ñòîë â òðàïåçíîé, ïðåáûâàë ëèöîì ê ëèöó ñ
      òåì, êîìó ïðåïîäîáíûé ñêàçàë: Ëå óâèäèøü áîëüøå ìîåãî ëèöà íè â
      ñåì âåêå, íè â áóäóùåì".
      Ìèòðîïîëèò Íèêîëàé â êðåùåíèè áûë íàçâàí â ÷åñòü ñâÿòèòåëÿ
      Íèêîëàÿ ×óäîòâîðöà, à â øõòðèãå - â ÷åñòü îäíîãî èç 40 Ñåâàñòèé-
      ñêèõ ìó÷åíèêîâ. Îäíà èç õàðàêòåðíûõ ïðèâû÷åê ñåðãèàíñêîãî ìîíà-
      øåñòâà: ìåíÿòü ïðè ïîñòðèãå íåáåñíîãî ïîêðîâèòåëÿ, íå ìåíÿÿ
      èìåíè, ÷òîáû íå ñîçäàâàòü ñåáå ïðîáëåì ñ ïàñïîðòîì è äðóãèìè
      äîêóìåíòàìè). Ïîýòîìó âëàäûêà è â Äèâååâñêîì ìîíàñòûðå âñåõ
      ñåñòåð ïîñòðèãàë, íå ìåíÿÿ èì èìåíè. Ïîâîïîñòðèæåííûõ îòäàâàëè â
      ïîñëóøàíèå îäíîé-åäèíñòâåííîé ñòàðèöå - íàñòîÿòåëüíèöå èîíàñòûðÿ
      èãóìåíèé Ñåðãèè, êîòîðàÿ ôèçè÷åñêè, íå ìîãëà, èìè âñåìè äóõîâíî
      ðóêîâîäèòü.
      Êîãäà Ìèòðîïîëèòà Íèêîëàÿ íå ñòàëî, ïðàâÿùèì àðõèåðååì
      Íèæåãîðîäñêîé Åïàðõèè áûë íàçíà÷åí Àðõèåïèñêîï Òàìáîâñêèé è
      Ìè÷óðèíñêèé Åâãåíèé (Æäàí). Ïî ñâèäåòåëüñòâó ñëóæèâøåãî îäíî
      âðåìÿ â Äèâååâå ñâÿùåííèêà Íèêîëàÿ Ïàòðèíà, â áûòíîñòü òîãî êëè-
      ðèìîè Òàìáîâñêîé Åïàðõèè, îí, áóäó÷è ÷åëîâåêîì ïðÿìûì, ðåøèë
      ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ñ îáâèíåíèÿìè â òåõ, ãðåõàõ, êîòîðûå ñòîóñòàÿ ìîëâà.
      ïðèïèñûâàëà Âëàäûêå Åâãåíèþ. Îí ëè÷íî ïðèøåë íà ïðèåì ê
      Àðõèåïèñêîïó è ñêàçàë åìó: .Âàøå Âûñîêîïðåîñâÿùåíñòâî! Òàêèå-òî
      è òàêèå-òî ëèöà ãîâîðÿò ïðî Âàñ òî-òî è òî-òî. Åñëè ýòî íåïðàâäà.
      Âû äîëæíû íàêàçàòü êëåâåòíèêîâ, à åñëè ýòè ëþäè íå ëãóò, òî Âû
      äîëæíû îñòàâèòü Åïàðõèþ". Â ðåçóëüòàòå ýòîãî ñìåëîãî ýêñïåðè-
      ìåíòà â çàøòàò áûë èñ÷èñëåí ñàì îòåö Íèêîëàé, âûíóæäåííûé â
      ñâÿçè ñ: ýòèì ïåðåâåñòèñü èç Òàìáîâà â Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ Åïàðõèþ.
      <,, Ïðàâîå òàâíîå Îáîçðåíèå" óæå ïèñàëî îá îáñòîÿòåëüñòâàõ, ïðåä-
      øåñòâîâàâøèõ ìîîòèíå Âëàäûêè Åâãåíèÿ. Â 2002 ãîäó â îáèòåëè èç-
      çà ïåðåïèñè è îáìåíà ïàñïîðòîâ âîçíèêëà íàïðÿæåííîñòü. Îêîëî
      òðåòè ìîíàõèíü îòêàçàëèñü ó÷àñòâîâàòü â ýòèõ ìåðîïðèÿòèÿõ. Íàñòîÿ-
      òåëüíèöà îáèòåëè äåðæàëàñü òîãî, ÷òî âñå ïðåäïèñàíèÿ ñâåòñêèõ
      âëàñòåé' íåîáõîäèìî áåçïðåêîñëîâíî èñïîëíÿòü, è íàä íåñîãëàñíûìè
      íàâèñëà óãðîçà, ðàñïðàâû. Îäíàêî, ãðÿäóùèå ðåïðåññèè íå ñìóòèëè
      ìîíàõèíü, è òîãäà, â ìîíàñòûðü ïðèåõàë óïðàâëÿþùèé åïàðõèåé.
      Âëàäûêà Åâãåíèé âñòðåòèëñÿ: ñ íåñîãëàñíûìè è, êàê âïîëíå ðàç-
      äåëÿþùèé óáåæäåíèÿ èãóìåíèé, äàë ñòðîïòèâèöàì äåíü íà. ðàçìûø-
      ëåíèå. Íàçàâòðà îí ïîîáåùàë ïîçâîíèòü è óçíàòü èõ.^ îêîí÷àòåëüíîå
      ðåøåíèå. -Îò íåãî çàâèñèò âàøà äàëüíåéøàÿ ñóäüáà*, ñêàçàë îí è ^
      óåõàë â Íèæíèé Íîâãîðîä. Íà. ñëåäóþùèé äåíü â ìîíàñòûðå ðàç- ^
      6 1


      äàëñÿ òåëåôîííûé çâîíîê. Óçíàâ, ÷òî ìíåíèå ñåñòåð îñòàëîñü íåèç-
      ìåííûì, òî åñòü îíè ïî-ïðåæíåìó îòêàçûâàëèñü ïîëó÷àòü íîâûå
      ïàñïîðòà è ó÷àñòâîâàòü â ïåðåïèñè, Âëàäûêà Åâãåíèé ñêàçàë: "Æäèòå
      ìåíÿ çàâòðà â ìîíàñòûðå. Ïðèåäó âàñ ðàññòðèãàòü", - è ïîëîæèë
      òðóáêó. Ñìåðòü íàñòèãëà åãî áóêâàëüíî ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî ìèíóò.
      Äâóì ñêîí÷àâøèìñÿ âëàäûêàì íàñëåäîâàë òðåòèé - ìîëîäîé åïè-
      ñêîï Ãåîðãèé. Â ïðåääâåðèè ñòîëåòíåãî þáèëåÿ ïðîñëàâëåíèÿ ïðåïî-
      äîáíîãî Ñåðàôèìà â Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ Åïàðõèþ, ãîñòåì êîòîðîé äîëæ-
      íû áûëè ñòàòü Ïàòðèàðõ è Ïðåçèäåíò, äîëæåí áûë áûòü íàçíà÷åí
      ÷åëîâåê âåñüìà íåïðîñòîé. Ïà êàôåäðå îí ìåíåå ãîäà, íî óæå óñïåë
      ñîçäàòü î ñåáå îïðåäåëåííîå ìíåíèå íå òîëüêî â ñðåäå âåðóþùåãî
      ëþäà, íî è â ñâåòñêèõ èçäàíèÿõ.
      Ïîäðîáíåå î äåëàõ Âëàäûêè Ãåîðãèÿ ÷èòàòåëè óçíàþò èç íàøåãî
      ðåïîðòàæà î ïðàçäíîâàíèè þáèëåÿ â Äèâååâî è Ñàðîâå. Äëÿ íàñòî-
      ÿùèõ æå çàìåòîê äîñòàòî÷íî áóäåò ñêàçàòü, ÷òî îí ÿâèëñÿ äîñòîéíûì
      ïðîäîëæàòåëåì òðóäîâ äâóõ ñâîèõ ïðåäøåñòâåííèêîâ.
      Íèæåãîðîäñêèé ïðèìåð, òàê æå êàê è ðàññóæäåíèÿ ñâÿùåííèêà
      Ãåîðãèÿ Ýäåëüøòåéíà, íàãëÿäíî ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò î òùåòíîñòè íàäåæä
      íà îçäîðîâëåíèå åïèñêîïàãà Ìîñêîâñêîé Ïàòðèàðõèè. Çà. ðåäêèì
      èñêëþ÷åíèåì, êàæäûé ïîñëåäóþùèé àðõèåðåé áîëåå ïëîõ, ÷åì åãî
      ïðåäøåñòâåííèê. Âñå ýòî ïîçâîëÿåò äåëàòü âåñüìà íåóòåøèòåëüíûå
      ïðîãíîçû íà ðåçóëüòàòû áóäóùèõ âûáîðîâ Ïàòðèàðõà Ð.1ÒÖ. ÌË.
      Ïî÷åìó æå òàê ïðîèñõîäèò? Ïî÷åìó îêàçàëñÿ íåâåðíûé ðàçñ÷åò
      ïðîòèâîñòîÿùèõ èçíóòðè íà ïîñòåïåííîå èçìåíåíèå ñèòóàöèè â Ì.Ï,
      êàê ñëåäñòâèå äàâëåíèÿ çäðàâîìûñëÿùèõ ìèðÿí íà äóõîâåíñòâî è
      åïèñêîïàò? Ïðåäïîëàãàåì, ÷òî îøèáêà çàêëþ÷àëàñü â ñëåäóþùåì:
      íàðîä îáëàäàåò ðåàëüíûì äóõîâíûì âåñîì è èåðàðõèÿ ïðèñëó-
      øèâàåòñÿ ê åãî ãîëîñó òîëüêî â Èñòèííîé Öåðêâè.  åðåòè÷åñêèõ è
      áîãîáîð÷åñêèõ ñîîáùåñòâàõ, ïî ïðè÷èíå ïîä÷èíåíèÿ èõ àíòèõðèñòîâó
      äóõó ñîâðåìåííîãî ìèðà, æäàòü ýòîãî óæå íå ïðèõîäèòñÿ. Òùåòíîñòü
      ïîïûòîê ðåâíèòåëåé áëàãî÷åñòèÿ ÷òî-ëèáî èçìåíèòü èçíóòðè
      Ìîñêîâñêîé Ïàòðèàðõèè ëèøíèé ðàç óáåäèòåëüíî ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò î
      òîì, ÷òî Ì.Ï. íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê Èñòèííîé Öåðêâè íå èìååò.
      7
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      ñïåöèàëüíîé ãðëøòîé ðóêîâîäñòâà Ê.Ã.Á. çà. ïîäïèñüþ øåôà
      Ê.Ã.Á. Â. Êðþ÷êîâà. Íî íèêòî íèêîãäà íå ñîîîùàë, ÷òî
      Àëåêñèé - êàäðîâûé îôèöåð Ê.Ã.Á.
      Î íûíåøíåì êàíäèäàòå è ïðåòåíäåíòå ýòî óæå ñêàçàíî
      âî âñåóñëûøàíèå, ñêàçàíî íå "ïàäêèìè" äî ñåíñàöèîííûõ ñëó^
      ãîâ æóðíàëèñòàìè, íå .îõîòíèêàìè çà æàðåíûìè ôàêòàìè .
      à åãî ñîáðàòîì è ñîñëó æèòåëåì - åïèñêîïîì ^-óññêîè. Ïðàâî-
      ñëàâíîé Öåðêâè. /Êîãî æå èìååò â âèäó îòåö Ãåîðãèè./
      Ðùå â 1992 ãîäó Àðõèåïèñêîï (íûíå Ìèòðîïîëèò/ Íèëåí-
      ñêèé. è Ëèòîâñêèé Õðèçîñòîì (Ìàðòèøêèí) çàÿâèë íà Àðõèå-
      ðåéñêîì Ñîáîðå Ðóññêîé Ïðàâîñëàâíîé Öåðêâè(Ì. II. - "ÏÐ.
      Îá")- V íàñ » Öåðêâè åñòü íàñòîÿùèå êàãåáåøíèêè, ñäå-
      ëàâøèå ãîëîâîêðóæèòåëüíóþ êàðüåðà øòðèìåð. Ìèòðîïîëèò
      'Âîðîíåæñêèé Ìåôîäèé. Îí îôèöåð Ê.Ã.Á.. àòåèñò, ÷åëîâåê
      ïîðî÷íûé, íàâÿçàííûé êàãåáåøíø<øè.. Ñèíîä îûë åäèíîäóøíî
      ïðîòèâ òàêîãî åïèñêîïà, íî íà.» ïðèøëîñü âçÿòü íà ñåîÿ
      òàêîé ãðåõ; à äàëüøå - êàêîé ó íåãî áûë âçëåò'
      Ñîáîð, ãäå áûëè áðîøåíû â ëèöî Ìåôîäèþ ýòè óíè÷òî-
      æàþùèå îáëè÷åíèÿ, ïðîìîë÷àë; Ñâÿùåííûé Ñèíîä, êîòîðûé
      ÿêîáû áûë åäèíîäóøíî ïðîòèâ òàêîãî åïèñêîïà, ïðîìîë÷à.1;
      ñàì Ìåôîäèé ïðîìîë÷àë òîãäà, è ïî ñåé äåíü ìîë÷èò. Íðÿä ëè
      êòî-ëèáî'óñîìíèòñÿ â ñïðàâåäëèâîñòè îáùåèçâåñòíîé ïîñëî-
      âèöû, ÷òî ïîäîáíîå êðàñíîðå÷èâîå ìîë÷àíèå áîëåå èíôîðìà-
      òèâíî, ÷åì ñà-øå èñòîøíûå âîïëè".
      Çàíÿòíûé âåêòîð âûñòðîèë â ñâîåì îáðàùåíèè ñâÿùåííèê |
      Ãåîðãèé Ýäåëüøòåéí.
      Ïàòðèàðõ Ïèìåí (Èçâåêîâ) - àãåíò âëèÿíèÿ Ê.1 .Ú. ,
      Ïàòðèàðõ Àëåêñèé (Ðèäèãåð) - øòàòíûé àãåíò Ê.Ã.Ü.
      Ïàòðèàðõ (?) Ìåôîäèé (Íåìöîâ) - êàäðîâûé îôèöåð Ê.1 .Ü. I
      Ñ êàæäûì íîâûì íàñòîëîâàíèåì ãðàäóñ ïîñâÿùåíèÿ ãëàâû Ìîñ-
      êîâñêîé Ïàòðèàðõèè ñòàíîâèòñÿ âñå âûøå è âûøå. -Õîòÿ êðåì-
      ëåâñêàÿ àäìèíèñòðàöèÿ - ïèøåò îòåö Ãåîðãèé - ñ÷èòàåò.ïî
      êàêèì-òî ïàðàìåòðà.» áîëåå äîñòîéíûì êàíäèäàòîì Ìèòðî-
      ïîëèòà Ìåôîäèÿ, ÿ íè â êîåì ñëó÷àå íå íàìåðåí Óòâåðàäøø.
      ÷òî ïðåäïî÷òåíèå ñëåäóåò îòäàòü Ìèòðîïîëèòó Êèðø1ëó.
      Îíè îáà íàìíîãî õóæå' (òàê â ïèñüìå î. 1 . - -II Ð. è»- '? 111
      íàñòàëî ëè âðåìÿ ðåâíèòåëÿì ìîëèòüñÿ î ïðîäëåíèè äðàãîöåííîé
      æèçíè Ïàòðèàðõà Àëåêñèÿ II ?
      Äâà ïîñëåäíèõ ãîäà äàëè âîçìîæíîñòü óîåäèòüñÿ â ïðàâèëüíîñòè
      ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿ, ÷òî êàæäûé ïîñëåäóþùèé òèðàí íåñðàâíåííî îîëåå
      (See attached file: Ocr0001.rtf)
      (See attached file: Scan Russian.htm)


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    • Paul O. BARTLETT
      ... May I respectfully request that such articles *not* be posted to the entire list? Many subscribers do not read Russian, and such a post merely clogs their
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        On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, byakimov@... wrote:

        > Dear All
        >
        > The scanned article concerning a recent letter & other MP matters by MP
        > priest - [cut for space]

        > The article is in Russian only.

        May I respectfully request that such articles *not* be posted to
        the entire list? Many subscribers do not read Russian, and such a post
        merely clogs their mailboxes with something they cannot directly use.
        (Some people do not have unlimited email resources.) I suggest that a
        more appropriate method would be to place the article on a web site and
        to provide the URL or to announce it in a list posting with an offer to
        send it directly to those who request. Thank you.

        --
        Paul Bartlett
        bartlett at smart.net
        PGP key info in message headers
      • Fr. Gregory Williams
        ... May I respectfully request that such articles *not* be posted to the entire list? Many subscribers do not read Russian... Amen! Likewise, html-coded
        Message 3 of 15 , Dec 1, 2003
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          > The article is in Russian only.

          May I respectfully request that such articles *not* be posted to
          the entire list? Many subscribers do not read Russian...

          Amen! Likewise, html-coded whole pages from websites cause a lot of trouble
          -- please extract the text and send it.
        • boulia_1
          ... May I respectfully diasgree? This list is for friends and members of the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, and these days, especially, much of
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            --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "Paul O. BARTLETT"
            <bartlett@s...> wrote:
            > May I respectfully request that such articles *not* be posted to
            > the entire list?

            May I respectfully diasgree? This list is for friends and members of
            the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, and these days,
            especially, much of interest is coming out in RUSSIAN... I find it a
            great help that these articles are posted here.

            I respectfully recommend that those with limited e-mail capacity (I
            am among them) switch their Group membership preferences to the
            option in which messages are not delivered by e-mail, and then log in
            to Yahoo to view the recent postings at their leisure.

            Elizabeth
          • Fr. Gregory Williams
            ... of the Subject. Perhaps better another list altogether for those who wish to receive texts in Russian.
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              >Absolutely. Perhaps posts with Russian text could contain RU at the start
              of the Subject.

              Perhaps better another list altogether for those who wish to receive texts
              in Russian.
            • Hristofor
              ... Absolutely. Perhaps posts with Russian text could contain RU at the start of the Subject. This way, non-Russian speakers could simply delete the e-mail.
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                At 08:52 AM 12/3/2003, you wrote:
                >May I respectfully diasgree? This list is for friends and members of
                >the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, and these days,
                >especially, much of interest is coming out in RUSSIAN... I find it a
                >great help that these articles are posted here.
                >
                >I respectfully recommend that those with limited e-mail capacity (I
                >am among them) switch their Group membership preferences to the
                >option in which messages are not delivered by e-mail, and then log in
                >to Yahoo to view the recent postings at their leisure.
                >
                >Elizabeth

                Absolutely. Perhaps posts with Russian text could contain RU at the start
                of the Subject. This way, non-Russian speakers could simply delete the e-mail.

                BTW, out of historical interest, does anyone know to which jurisdiction
                Patriarch Alexis belonged to as a youth, before the Baltic states were
                overrun by the Red Army in WWII? Were some of the parishes in the Baltic
                countries part of ROCOR during the period from 1918-1941? I know there
                are/were Latvian and Estonian Orthodox Churches which were exiled to Sweden
                after WW II, but I assume these consisted of ethnic Letts and Estonians and
                not Russians...

                Hristofor
              • Maria Lunk
                Totally agree with Hristifor. Mark the postings in Russian with a ru if that helps, but let s not start the language issue yet again. ... [Non-text portions
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                  Totally agree with Hristifor. Mark the postings in Russian with a ru if
                  that helps, but let's not start the language issue yet again.

                  Hristofor wrote:

                  >At 08:52 AM 12/3/2003, you wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >>May I respectfully diasgree? This list is for friends and members of
                  >>the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, and these days,
                  >>especially, much of interest is coming out in RUSSIAN... I find it a
                  >>great help that these articles are posted here.
                  >>
                  >>I respectfully recommend that those with limited e-mail capacity (I
                  >>am among them) switch their Group membership preferences to the
                  >>option in which messages are not delivered by e-mail, and then log in
                  >>to Yahoo to view the recent postings at their leisure.
                  >>
                  >>Elizabeth
                  >>
                  >>
                  >
                  >Absolutely. Perhaps posts with Russian text could contain RU at the start
                  >of the Subject. This way, non-Russian speakers could simply delete the e-mail.
                  >
                  >BTW, out of historical interest, does anyone know to which jurisdiction
                  >Patriarch Alexis belonged to as a youth, before the Baltic states were
                  >overrun by the Red Army in WWII? Were some of the parishes in the Baltic
                  >countries part of ROCOR during the period from 1918-1941? I know there
                  >are/were Latvian and Estonian Orthodox Churches which were exiled to Sweden
                  >after WW II, but I assume these consisted of ethnic Letts and Estonians and
                  >not Russians...
                  >
                  >Hristofor
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >Archives located at http://www.egroups.com/group/orthodox-synod
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                  >
                  >
                  >


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                • akomendantov
                  ... jurisdiction Patriarch Alexis belonged to as a youth, before the Baltic states were overrun by the Red Army in WWII? The future Patriarch belonged to the
                  Message 8 of 15 , Dec 3, 2003
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                    --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, Hristofor <hristofor@m...>
                    wrote:
                    > BTW, out of historical interest, does anyone know to which
                    jurisdiction Patriarch Alexis belonged to as a youth, before the
                    Baltic states were overrun by the Red Army in WWII?

                    The future Patriarch belonged to the Autonomous Estonian Church under
                    the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

                    >Were some of the parishes in the Baltic countries part of ROCOR
                    during the period from 1918-1941?

                    There were no ROCOR-affiliated parishes in the Baltic countries
                    during this period, as far as I know.

                    >I know there are/were Latvian and Estonian Orthodox Churches which
                    were exiled to Sweden after WW II, but I assume these consisted of
                    ethnic Letts and Estonians and not Russians...

                    I would say that is most likely true. The diasporan situation for
                    each Church was also different. There were enough bishops, clergy
                    and parishioners in the Estonian Church to support an ongoing Church
                    in exile until it could return to its mother country and have some
                    basis for its claims to autonomy.

                    The Latvian situation was very different. Until the martyric death
                    in 1934 of its head, St. John of Riga (Pommers), the Latvian Orthodox
                    Church enjoyed a status of total autonomy, conferred upon it by St.
                    Tikhon on the basis of the spiritual authority he recognized in
                    Bishop John. This unusual arrangement satisfied the newly-
                    independent (and largely anti-Russian) government of Latvia. And it
                    preserved St. John's personal loyalty to the Russian Church, allowing
                    him to resist to the end all efforts of the Ecumenical Patriarch to
                    intervene. Sadly, his untimely death effectively ended this special
                    canonical situation, and his elected successor, Metropolitan
                    Augustin, could assume his position only with the blessing of the
                    Ecumenical Patriarch, under whose jurisdiction the church now
                    belonged. Met. Augustin died in Germany and his wish for a free
                    Latvian Church in exile did not materialize. There were a handful of
                    clergy in London that attempted to maintain it under a Greek EP
                    bishop but that simply did not work. The bulk of the Latvian clergy
                    in exile, including Bishop John of Riga (Garklavs) joined the
                    Metropolia/OCA; one or two joined ROCOR, including the future Bishop
                    John (Legky).

                    This is the reason the current Estonian scenario, with its still
                    unresolved issues of legal registrations and property disputes with
                    the MP, did not play out in Latvia.

                    Andrew Komendantov
                  • StephenATL/????????
                    My knowledge of Russian is very limited, but I don t mind at all getting texts in Russian. It is often interesting to see just how much of the text I can
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                      My knowledge of Russian is very limited, but I don't mind at all getting
                      texts in Russian. It is often interesting to see just how much of the
                      text I can understand/figure out....... while waiting for the English
                      translation.

                      May I respectfully suggest that those with "limited" e-mail capacity,
                      quit being so "cheap" and get a regular e-mail account, for only a few
                      dollars more. My Bell South account only costs me $15 a month for
                      "unlimited" e-mail and internet use. So, grow up, modernize and stop
                      being so cheap.

                      (You do need to make sure that your mail client/program is downloading
                      the messages from your ISP's mail server, each and every time. It it is
                      leaving copies there, that can fill up your inbox over time if left on
                      the main server.)

                      Stephanos


                      Fr. Gregory Williams wrote:

                      >>Absolutely. Perhaps posts with Russian text could contain RU at the start
                      >>
                      >>
                      >of the Subject.
                      >
                      >Perhaps better another list altogether for those who wish to receive texts
                      >in Russian.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >Archives located at http://www.egroups.com/group/orthodox-synod
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                    • Hristofor
                      or switch to free www.mail.ru Although they have mailbox limits, I never exceeded the mailbox size, even when I did not check my e-mail for over a fortnight
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                        or switch to free www.mail.ru

                        Although they have mailbox limits, I never exceeded the mailbox size, even
                        when I did not check my e-mail for over a fortnight and the messages from
                        this list were coming in fast and furious. Another plus, the spam is
                        usually for Moscow real estate or English language courses and is fairly
                        harmless considering the stuff that comes in over free hotmail etc. accounts

                        Of course, if you are paying for internet access, my response is inapplicable.

                        Hristofor--With no connection to mail.ru

                        At 01:57 PM 12/3/2003, you wrote:
                        >May I respectfully suggest that those with "limited" e-mail capacity,
                        >quit being so "cheap" and get a regular e-mail account, for only a few
                        >dollars more. My Bell South account only costs me $15 a month for
                        >"unlimited" e-mail and internet use. So, grow up, modernize and stop
                        >being so cheap.
                      • Reader Timothy Tadros
                        I bought a few years ago on e-bay a small picture of a group of Orthodox clergy in front of a monastery it included a bishop and a great schema monk . I sent
                        Message 11 of 15 , Dec 3, 2003
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                          I bought a few years ago on e-bay a small picture of a group of
                          Orthodox clergy in front of a monastery it included a bishop and a
                          great schema monk . I sent the pic to Holy Trinity Monastery for
                          identification and Vladyka Laurus said that the bishop was of Bishop
                          John Bulin who was head of the Estonian Church under ROCOR. Vladyka
                          also stated that he later left ROCOR and went back to the MP and was
                          assumed martyered?
                          I have the pic an ebay scan on another computer I will try to find
                          it and post it in the photos section.
                          rdr Timothy Tadros

                          --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, Hristofor <hristofor@m...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > BTW, out of historical interest, does anyone know to which
                          jurisdiction
                          > Patriarch Alexis belonged to as a youth, before the Baltic states
                          were
                          > overrun by the Red Army in WWII? Were some of the parishes in the
                          Baltic
                          > countries part of ROCOR during the period from 1918-1941? I know
                          there
                          > are/were Latvian and Estonian Orthodox Churches which were exiled
                          to Sweden
                          > after WW II, but I assume these consisted of ethnic Letts and
                          Estonians and
                          > not Russians...
                          >
                          > Hristofor
                        • akomendantov
                          ... Bishop ... was ... find
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                            --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "Reader Timothy Tadros"
                            <pravoslavney@y...> wrote:
                            > I bought a few years ago on e-bay a small picture of a group of
                            > Orthodox clergy in front of a monastery it included a bishop and a
                            > great schema monk . I sent the pic to Holy Trinity Monastery for
                            > identification and Vladyka Laurus said that the bishop was of
                            Bishop
                            > John Bulin who was head of the Estonian Church under ROCOR. Vladyka
                            > also stated that he later left ROCOR and went back to the MP and
                            was
                            > assumed martyered?
                            > I have the pic an ebay scan on another computer I will try to
                            find
                            > it and post it in the photos section.
                            > rdr Timothy Tadros
                            >
                            > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, Hristofor <hristofor@m...>
                            > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > BTW, out of historical interest, does anyone know to which
                            > jurisdiction
                            > > Patriarch Alexis belonged to as a youth, before the Baltic states
                            > were
                            > > overrun by the Red Army in WWII? Were some of the parishes in the
                            > Baltic
                            > > countries part of ROCOR during the period from 1918-1941? I know
                            > there
                            > > are/were Latvian and Estonian Orthodox Churches which were exiled
                            > to Sweden
                            > > after WW II, but I assume these consisted of ethnic Letts and
                            > Estonians and
                            > > not Russians...
                            > >
                            > > Hristofor
                          • akomendantov
                            I came back from church tonight and noticed my post without my text. Don t know how that happened, will try to recreate it. ... of Orthodox clergy in front
                            Message 13 of 15 , Dec 3, 2003
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                              I came back from church tonight and noticed "my" post without my
                              text. Don't know how that happened, will try to recreate it.

                              > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "Reader Timothy Tadros"
                              > <pravoslavney@y...> wrote:
                              > > I bought a few years ago on e-bay a small picture of a group >
                              of Orthodox clergy in front of a monastery it included a bishop and
                              a great schema monk . I sent the pic to Holy Trinity Monastery for
                              > identification and Vladyka Laurus said that the bishop was of
                              > Bishop John Bulin who was head of the Estonian Church under ROCOR.
                              Vladyka also stated that he later left ROCOR and went back to the MP
                              and was assumed martyered?

                              My grandparents lived in Latvia near the Estonian border; the Pskovo-
                              Pechersky Monastery was a day's walk (or a long bicycle ride for my
                              aunt) so they made frequent pilgrimages there. Vladyka Ioann (Bulin)
                              and his relatives were family friends and I grew up hearing about him
                              and Hiero-Schemamonk Simeon and "Pechory." I'm looking at some
                              inscribed family fotos now, the oldest from 1921 of "skhimnik"
                              Simeon, Vl. Ioann from 1933 and then a monastery postcard with a note
                              from him dated 1938. Sometime between those latter dates, Vl. Ioann
                              was removed from his post as abbot of the monastery (I'm not sure if
                              he was also head of the newly-formed Pechory/Petseri Diocese) and
                              exiled from Estonia. While actively resisting the new calendar and
                              other innovations of the official EP-subordinate Estonian Church
                              (which made many enemies for him), I never heard anything about him
                              heading any Estonian Church or group under ROCOR. The government was
                              very vigilant for any such "foreign interference." That he respected
                              and admired ROCOR is indisputable; while in exile he served with
                              ROCOR bishops in Yugoslavia and the Holy Land. I'm guessing
                              he officially joined ROCOR in exile. Sometime prior to 1938, he was
                              allowed to return to Estonia, but I'm not sure in what capacity. His
                              note to my aunt references troubled times and personal tribulations,
                              but no specifics are given. Perhaps "leaving ROCOR" refers to this
                              period in his life. Vl. Ioann was arrested by soviet agents soon
                              after the German invasion began and taken to Russia, where he was
                              shot -- in 1941, I believe. In any case, he certainly
                              never "returned to the MP."

                              > > I have the pic an ebay scan on another computer I will try to
                              > find it and post it in the photos section.
                              > > rdr Timothy Tadros

                              That would be wonderful!

                              Andrew Komendantov
                            • Reader Timothy Tadros
                              Thanks for the information! I have downloaded the picture of Vladyka John and clergy to the photos section. If anyone can identify any of the clergy and
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                                Thanks for the information! I have downloaded the picture of
                                Vladyka John and clergy to the photos section. If anyone can
                                identify any of the clergy and monastics present it would be greatly
                                appreciated.
                                Rdr Timothy Tadros

                                --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "akomendantov"
                                <akomendantov@y...> wrote:
                                > I came back from church tonight and noticed "my" post without my
                                > text. Don't know how that happened, will try to recreate it.
                                >
                                > > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "Reader Timothy Tadros"
                                > > <pravoslavney@y...> wrote:
                                > > > I bought a few years ago on e-bay a small picture of a
                                group >
                                > of Orthodox clergy in front of a monastery it included a bishop
                                and
                                > a great schema monk . I sent the pic to Holy Trinity Monastery for
                                > > identification and Vladyka Laurus said that the bishop was of
                                > > Bishop John Bulin who was head of the Estonian Church under
                                ROCOR.
                                > Vladyka also stated that he later left ROCOR and went back to the
                                MP
                                > and was assumed martyered?
                                >
                                > My grandparents lived in Latvia near the Estonian border; the
                                Pskovo-
                                > Pechersky Monastery was a day's walk (or a long bicycle ride for
                                my
                                > aunt) so they made frequent pilgrimages there. Vladyka Ioann
                                (Bulin)
                                > and his relatives were family friends and I grew up hearing about
                                him
                                > and Hiero-Schemamonk Simeon and "Pechory." I'm looking at some
                                > inscribed family fotos now, the oldest from 1921 of "skhimnik"
                                > Simeon, Vl. Ioann from 1933 and then a monastery postcard with a
                                note
                                > from him dated 1938. Sometime between those latter dates, Vl.
                                Ioann
                                > was removed from his post as abbot of the monastery (I'm not sure
                                if
                                > he was also head of the newly-formed Pechory/Petseri Diocese) and
                                > exiled from Estonia. While actively resisting the new calendar
                                and
                                > other innovations of the official EP-subordinate Estonian Church
                                > (which made many enemies for him), I never heard anything about
                                him
                                > heading any Estonian Church or group under ROCOR. The government
                                was
                                > very vigilant for any such "foreign interference." That he
                                respected
                                > and admired ROCOR is indisputable; while in exile he served with
                                > ROCOR bishops in Yugoslavia and the Holy Land. I'm guessing
                                > he officially joined ROCOR in exile. Sometime prior to 1938, he
                                was
                                > allowed to return to Estonia, but I'm not sure in what capacity.
                                His
                                > note to my aunt references troubled times and personal
                                tribulations,
                                > but no specifics are given. Perhaps "leaving ROCOR" refers to
                                this
                                > period in his life. Vl. Ioann was arrested by soviet agents soon
                                > after the German invasion began and taken to Russia, where he was
                                > shot -- in 1941, I believe. In any case, he certainly
                                > never "returned to the MP."
                                >
                                > > > I have the pic an ebay scan on another computer I will try
                                to
                                > > find it and post it in the photos section.
                                > > > rdr Timothy Tadros
                                >
                                > That would be wonderful!
                                >
                                > Andrew Komendantov
                              • akomendantov
                                Thank you Rdr. Timothy for the foto! Definitely of Vl. Ioann; but I m only 90% certain that the Schema-Monk to Vladyka s left is Simeon, judging from the
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                                  Thank you Rdr. Timothy for the foto! Definitely of Vl. Ioann; but
                                  I'm only 90% certain that the Schema-Monk to Vladyka's left is
                                  Simeon, judging from the fotos I have. I've done some internet
                                  research in the meantime and have come across a reference to a Schema-
                                  Bishop Macarius, who was also associated with Vl. Ioann.
                                  Unfortunately, there is no one left in my family who could have
                                  (easily) identified some, if not all, of the other clergy in your
                                  foto.

                                  Andrew Komendantov
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