Re: Fwd: Re: FW: [ROCElaity] ???Chile Convent & Parish returned to ROCA - see recent photos???
- Dear subdeacon Kiril BB!
When I posted the original reference - it was because my understanding was
these entities with Mother Juliana & Father Benjamin stayed with his
Vitaly & are still listed on the "ROCIE" website as such.
That is why I questioned what I saw. His Grace Bishop Alexander when he
was in Australia
confirmed to me that both Father Benjamin & Mother Abbess were with
On another matter concerning the MP - nothing has changed - it is still
sergianist & ecumenist, what
has changed is that some ROCA priests like Father John Shaw are defending
the MP as it stands. Some
in the MP, including his Grace Archbishop Benjamin of Primoreye, are now
emulating the position of our blessed in memory Metropolitan Philaret,
Archbishop Averky, Archimandrite Konstantin & many others. In fact they
want the MP first to condemn both sergianism & ecumenism, otherwise the
sergianist judas kiss is an affront to the New Martyrs & Confessors of
Russia & then only
begin the long journey of unifying the historical Church of Russia
(Russian Orthodox Church).
unworthy protodeacon Basil from Canberra
Kiril Bart <kirbart@...> on 24/05/2003 01:27:06 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: [ROCElaity] ???Chile Convent & Parish returned to
ROCA - see recent photos???
Fr. Basil you posted original information about
Monastery in Chile, was it deception on purpose, or
you has been used and mislead by others I don't know
and I shouldn't judge you, only God Almighty will
judge all of us for our deeds. But knowing you as a
person, who is thinking about our Russian Church not
as just a money making machine, but a Church of
Christ, I decide to forward this e-mail to you as well
as Internet forum where this information was posted. I
saw this information only on synod list, where Fr.
Mark censuring me pretty hard. I'm not sure if this
posting of mine will go through, but I'm suggesting
you to post it for Truth sake, if mine would be
Truly yours, sinful subdeacon Kirill
--- Igumeniya Iulianiya <abbjuliana@...> wrote:
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:33:52 -0700 (PDT)__________________________________
> From: Igumeniya Iulianiya <abbjuliana@...>
> Subject: Re: FW:???Chile Convent &
> Parish returned to ROCA - see recent photos???
> To: Kiril Bart <kirbart@...>
> Voistinu Voskrese!I
> Of course, the quicker the better. Truth must not be
> hidden It will always come up. As for them (people)
> saying that I am not seen in the photographs, Yes, I
> am in one, with an angry face and not looking at the
> photographer, because I did not want to be taken.
> Glad, that some people saw our children, one,
> Yurick, 6 old. is missing she was in bed. in my
> right hand there is a bunch of Chilean flowers,
> called "copihue" spell, kopi-weh they grow only
> here. someone gave it to me, for it was the Mother's
> Day. God grant us peace and courage in these
> difficult times. Abbjuliana,.Bart
> <kirbart@...> wrote:
> XPICTOC BOCKPECE!!!
> Dear in Christ, igumeniya Iulianiya. This
> is circulated on a different Internet Orthodox
> would you allow me to post your reply, or not?
> your prayers,
> sinful subdeacon Kirill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Igumeniya Iulianiya
> > [mailto:abbjuliana@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: ???Chile Convent & Parish
> > returned to ROCA - see
> > recent photos???
> > Truly Christ isRisen!
> > Dear Matushka
> > NO! we have not left the ROCE! We remain faithful
> > to our- Metrop. Vitaly
> > and continue the course followed by all our
> > previous God- enlightened
> > Metropolitan. The idea of our doing otherwise is
> > totally fantastic. Bishop
> > Alexander visited us a year ago and tried to
> > persuade Fr. Benjamin to join
> > them. Father absolutely refused and during the
> > several 2 and a half hours of
> > conversation made it clear that not only were the
> > bishops guilty of
> > impermissable behaviour but that they should as
> > as possible go to the
> > Starets, Vl. Vitaly and beg forgiveness! Fr.
> > Benjamin's last words were:
> > "Punish me, kick me out of the Church it is in
> > hands, but I CANNOT GO
> > AGAINST MY CONSCIENCE!" And he, being truthful,
> > continued as before.
> > When I learned that the Bishop planned to visit us
> > again I was very
> > concerned and I told him WE DO NO BELONG TO THEM.
> > However he said if he was
> > refused to serve in church, he would serve
> > He brought with him one
> > priest, two deacons and three altar boys
> > (prizlugnik) they served in the
> > Parish church, deacons comemorating Metrop.
> > Also, I requested that
> > no photos be taken during the Church Services-this
> > request was ignored.
> > Obviously the photos were made to give the false
> > impression that all those
> > present were closely unites- which was definitely
> > not true.
> > The bishop and his companions had not been
> > but we attempted to
> > treat him courteosly as guest - not our Chief.. As
> > the Holy Fathers teach
> > us, it is only Christian to behave with meekness
> > courtesy to those who
> > differ from us, and by our gentleness we may hope
> > calm their own
> > disturbed conditions. Unfortunately our
> > was shockingly abused by
> > the deliberate misuse of photohraphs which
> > scandalize and confuse the many
> > who have trusted in our fidelity to the truth.
> > Please understand that this
> > is a painful shock to us and that we deeply grieve
> > for those misled and
> > troubled. Thereby we pray God will enlighten the
> > shepherds who have gone
> > astray and their repentance will restore the
> > spiritual unity for which our
> > Saviour, Lord Jesus prayed.
> > sinful Abbess Juliana and Sisters.
> > P.S. Matushka, this letter was written yesterday,
> > as much as I tried but
> > there was no way, the computer refused to send it.
> > Also, someone mentioned
> > that we are in the Spissok of 2003. I have not
> > the magazine, we did
> > not receive it or Pravosl. Rus. Another false
> > accusatioin.
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