Re: [JerusalemPatriarchate] "A Plea for Peace" TCA
- Dear Vladimir,
I have been following your debate with V. Kozyreff with much
interest. Both of you made very good remarks.
Regarding the European Commission, I would like to add some comments.
I agree with you that it looks sometimes like a totalitarian system.
I work there and often I call the EEC officials, the "European
At the beginning, the EEC was created with the idea to avoid
nationalistic wars in Europe, by creating a free trade market between
countries - this was the so-called "good Cause" which is always used
as a pretext in the fight against tradition, identity and national
Whose idea was it? Well, there are good reasons to say that it comes
from the US "think-tankers". The idealogist of the EEC, Jean Monnet,
was trained in the US in the Bank of America) and he inspired Robert
Schuman (the founder of the EEC). I do not know for Schuman but
Monnet was certainly a Mason, linked to the US Council for Foreign
Let me ask you some questions:
Who is now imposing the entry of Turkey in the EEC? The US. And for
what reason? - You are clever enough to guess.
Why did the US support Muslim Albania against Serbia?
Why did the US banks finance the Japanese during the Russian-Japanese
Why did US banks finance the Bolsheviks before and during the
revolution and in the civil war?
Why did the US support strongly (in this they were hand in hands with
the communists) the de-colonisation? Look at the results!
Why was Eleonor Roosevelt so sympathetic to Stalin?
Who destroyed the economy of South America's countries (Argentina,
And I can go on and on.
I used to be a very strong supporter of US in my youth. I spent some
time in that country and made very good friends there. I liked the
American hospitality, genuineness, and simplicity. (My mother was
even comparing the childlike, open and generous American mentality
with the Russian one. The neighbour is always welcome and considered
as a potential friend as both populations are confronted with vast
living spaces and horizons, contrary to the Europeans whose living
space is narrower thus their often-unwelcome and restricted attitude
towards newcomers.) Like you, I thought that they were great
warriors against communism (I was all for the Vietnam war). It is
true that religiosity is much stronger in the US than in Europe.
(But what has religiosity to do with the True Body of Christ?).
I am absolutely not criticising the American people - a lot of them
are very good and very generous. It is the US politics that are
completely corrupted, immoral and cynical. They want power, at any
cost - and that is all. If you read and follow closely their policy,
you will see that everything was done to weaken any other nation that
becomes strong. They want a stability that is governed by them -
the "Pax Americana" which is the New World Order. They helped to
dismantle great empires to create nations. They now reject strong
nations by pushing them in creating an artificial conglomerate, in
which everything is done to prevent it from becoming strong (CEE,
NAFTA, ..). When nations resist, they instil ethnic wars
(Yugoslavia, Congo, and now probably in Irak).
I do support VK when he says that the US did not fight against
communism, but rather against the power of the USSR. The cold war
was just rivalry between two superpowers. It was just by coincidence
that their fight corresponded to ours.
If the US were really against anti-Christ, they certainly would not
have financed the revolution or associated with Stalin during WWII.
The big question is: Who is behind the US policy which is so opposed
to the American mentality?
Just to illustrate this question, here are a few quotes:
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan
for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of
publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more
sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The
supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers
is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in
past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral
Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission,
in June, 1991.
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all
states will recognize a single, global authority. National
sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot,
Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th,
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-
world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the
same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I
do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope,
generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines
747 that was shot down by the Soviets
(More on this website: http://www.angelfire.com/ak4/neurope/nwo.html)
Your sister in Christ
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, VladMoss@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 17/04/03 12:40:51 GMT Daylight Time,
> vladimir.kozyreff@s... writes:
> > As soon as the Russian State was born, it gave its first martyrs,
> > saints Boris and Gleb who preferred to die than to exert any
> > even in self-defence. Alexander Nevsky said " God is in the
> > not in power". The founder of the Russian State is our holy
> > the great prince Vladimir equal-to-the-apostles, who baptised
> > The founders of the US are deistic freemasons.
> True, except that Russia of course went through a pagan phase, like
> country, before she was baptised, and now she has returned to
> no more than 1% of the population visits even the churches of the
> those who do are infected with all kinds of false beliefs and
> as a recent survey by the Russian Academy of Sciences has shown. As
> USA, as an independent state she was indeed founded by deistic
> But before that she was a part of Great Britain, which for 1000
> the apostles to 1066) was an Orthodox nation with an Orthodox
> powers which perished only after a savage war against the papists
> destroyed 20% of its population. So even the Americans can trace
> Orthodox roots. And they can return to those roots. Just as the
> return to their roots. And just as the Jews can return to their
> roots - which, as you remember, is precisely what St. Paul said
> before the end.
> Your vision of the world is too simplistic, Vladimir. There are
> nations and "bad" nations. ALL nations have sinned, ALL have fallen
> the glory of God. And the "Orthodox" ones most of all, because they
> Vladimir, I make so bold as to say that I love Russia as much as
you do. I
> converted to Russian Orthodoxy from Protestantism nearly 30 years
> have served as a reader in the Church for most of that period. I
> Russian wife, and a house in Russia. I have committed my life to
> the resurrection of Russia, a hope in which I firmly believe. But I
> going to allow my love for Russia lead me to despise other nations
> good things they have given to the Orthodox. Nor am I going to
> true Russia with the false, anti-God Russia which has been the main
> Orthodoxy for nearly 100 years.
> You can say what you like about the New World Order. It exists, I
> it. But not only or even mainly in America. What about Brussels
> live - is it not the centre of a potentially terrible new
> which has all the vices of America but few of her virtues (I use
> "virtue" in a relative sense, of course)? I can tell you one thing
> certain: the present progress of the new world order in my country,
> owes more to the European Commission and its antichristian
> to any number of masonic American presidents!
> Vladimir Moss
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- Dear in Christ Vladimir, as much as I appreciated your views on contemporary Orthodoxy, I'm dismayed by your lack of spiritual wisdom. It's causing a great deal of pain to see how Orthodox people got themselves into the absolutelly meanless and spiritually unprofitable war with the windmills.Our fight is fight against the spirits of the darkness, not for a world wide dominanse of the Orthodoxy. This world is a falling world and there is no point to waste time and spititual energy to build world wide Orthodox Empire, save yourself and thousands would be saved around you.Yours in Christ, subdeacon Kirill
vkozyreff <vladimir.kozyreff@...> wrote:Dear Vladimir,
In your Message 8283, you write: � Your vision of the world is too
simplistic, Vladimir. There are no "good" nations and "bad" nations.
ALL nations have sinned, ALL have fallen short of the glory of God.
And the "Orthodox" ones most of all, because they knew more.... �
VK. I hope my vision is not too simplistic, because I never thought
that there are good or bad nations. What I meant is that it would be
simplistic to say: (Message 8272): "Since this war is not between
Orthodox nations and does not directly affect any Orthodox nation, I
don't see where the "Orthodox vision" comes into it."
I mean that the US as an organisation is not neutral to orthodoxy.
Its esence is anti-orthodox (see the founding fathers and the
constitution). It is pursuing objectives that are incompatible with
orthodoxy in alliance with clear enemies of Christ. Therefore, the
American members of ROCOR should beware of certain types of
solidarity with the US as an organisation, because of conflicts of
interest with orthodoxy.
In message 8281, you write: �I care about religious freedom, and I
know many Orthodox people who do, too! Religious freedom is a gift
from God which we despise at our peril.�
VK: Of course, religious freedom is good to take. It is better not to
be persecuted. One should however not forget that religious freedom
as such is a gift from humanists who despise religion as
manifestations of human needs of the same kind as as sexuality, that
should be granted equally to all religions, the latter having to be
confined to the private life of the citizens. This gives thus in
principle equal right, opportunity and power to Christianity and to
its worst enemies. I mean that orthodox do not particularily want
that the religions would freely develop, except orthodoxy.
You write also: � You can say what you like about the New World
Order. It exists, I don't deny it. But not only or even mainly in
America. What about Brussels where you live� �
VK: Dear Vladimir, I know so well what we are talking about! I never
assimilate myself to the EC philosophy. I am a Russian and an example
of a failed assimilation within the society of my country of exile.
I am not speaking of a competition between the US and the EC in that
respect. Whatever the darkness of the one, it does not erase the
darkness of the other.
You write in Message 8285: � However, I fundamentally disagree with
you that the struggle was not against communism. It was! Russia saved
Europe from German barbarism in the First World War, but replaced
German barbarism with an even worse one in the Second World War �.
Here, you hurt me. Russia has given twenty million lives to the fight
against Hitler and a quite a greater number to the Bolshevik yoke.
The occupation of Russia by the Communists was the cruellest war ever
suffered by Russia. Maybe she will never recover. She was the first
victim of Bolshevik barbarism and the West never helped her to fight
You write: � Only in that year, 1949, did the West wake up to the
menace and founded NATO as a defensive alliance against the
I think that NATO Is part of the conspiracy. The New World Order has
many names (see below).
The New World Order:
the Trilateral Commission (TC), founded in 1973 by David Rockefeller;
the Iluminati, founded in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, once a Jesuit
Priest and later a Freemason;
the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) founded 1921 at the end of
World War I, made up of past Presidents, Ambassadors, Secretaries of
State, Wall Street Investors, International bankers, select Senators
& Congressmen, Supreme Court Justices, Federal Judges and the
the United Nations;
the Bilderbergers made up of rich and powerful people from Europe &
the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation;
the World Trade Organisation (WTO) only international organisation
dealing with global rules of trade between nations;
the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) established in 1979
under then President Carter;
the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
the National Security Agency (NSA);
the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA);
the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI);
the Federal Communication System (FCC) the Agency that controls what
you see and hear on TV & radio;
the Federal Reserve System, founded in 1913 and privately owned by a
group of elite member banks;
the World Council of Churches (WCC);
the Ecumenical Movement, Religion of the New Age Christ [Antichrist];
the Internal Revenue Service (IRS);
the Electoral College, enacted by delegates to the Constitutional
Convention in Philadelphia in 1787;
Skull and Bones of Yale;
the Masonic Sacred Order;
the Jesuit Order;
Banking families, etc., etc.
--- In email@example.com, VladMoss@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 16/04/03 14:00:50 GMT Daylight Time,
> vladimir.kozyreff@s... writes:
> > It is striking to see how differently American and Russian
> > the ROCOR view and understand the recent events in the Middle
> > Americans tend to react patriotically, in Masonic / protestant /
> > democratic / New World order terms, from which their faith is
> > absent. They express no orthodox vision, as though orthodoxy, in
> > their minds, was forever constrained to their private life, and
> > though the totally unorthodox policy of the American hegemony did
> > disturb them in any way.
> Dear Vladimir,
> I like most of your postings very much, but this is phenomenally
> Since this war is not between Orthodox nations and does not
> any Orthodox nation, I don't see where the "Orthodox vision" comes
into it -
> except in two, possibly three respects.
> 1. We are told to obey our government, and treat it as an authority
> unless it is specifically the Antichrist. America is not the
> Therefore American citizens are following their Orthodox conscience
> obeying their government. If, on the contrary, they rebelled
> government, they would be disobeying the apostolic command. I hope
> not urging Americans to do that, for that would be a grave sin.
> 2. America has been for a long time, and is now, perhaps the major
> True Orthodox Christianity in the world. The ROCOR fled to America
> Second World War. Metropolitan Philaret and his Synod publicly
> Americans in the Vietnam war. It was from America that the ROCOR's
> Russia was launched in 1990. The Russian government, on the other
> persecutes True Orthodox Christians - not as severely or as openly
> Soviet times, but still in a less overt manner. From a moral point
> therefore, the American government, though not Orthodox, is
superior to the
> Russian government in this respect at least. We should not attempt
> undermine such a government unless it seeks to undermine another
> government. I am sure you do not believe that Saddam Hussein's
> 3. The American government has been fighting the main enemy of
> communism, for many decades. That war is not yet over. In fact, I
> that Saddam Hussein's Iraq was an "Islamic" variant on the Soviet
> was a kind of communist anti-government. From this point of view,
> American government's attempts to destroy should not be opposed,
> be supported.
> Vladimir Moss
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. This world is a falling world and there is no point to waste time and
spititual energy to build world wide Orthodox Empire, save yourself and
thousands would be saved around you.Yours in Christ, subdeacon Kirill
And Christ our Lord said: "Go ye into all the world...." can you complete
A blessed Holy Week to all
Theodora in the mountains