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  • maureengirard <maureengirard@yahoo.com>
    ... wrote: Before our entire household is declared as over the brink, I have a couple of honest questions.
    Message 1 of 33 , Feb 27, 2003
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      --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "stefanvpavlenko
      <StefanVPavlenko@n...>" <StefanVPavlenko@n...> wrote:

      Before our entire household is declared as "over the brink," I have a
      couple of honest questions. Does she have a catalogue? Does she do
      Greek?
      Maureen


      > > 4. Ordered some podryasniki from the matushka of the Sydney ROC-
      MP
      > > priest (although that's only half-"heretical" since I haven't
      > picked
      > > them up or paid for them yet)...
      >
      > Everything BUT the above can be forgiven, do to human WEAKNESS and
      > the influence of the fallen world about us,----BUT ORDERING
      VESTMENTS
      > from other than MY matushka is unacceptable! CUSTOM LITURGICAL
      > VESTMENTS, over 25 years (oops, thirty) experiance: Tatiana
      Pavlenko,
      > 1136 Palm Drive, Burlingame, CA 94010 650 344 4355
      > tpavlenko@h... REPENT NOW!!!!
      >
      > o Stefan :-)
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "maestro_vg <diakon@o...>"
      > <diakon@o...> wrote:
      > > Good on ya Larry!
      > > Here are some of the major "heretical" activities that I have
      been
      > > involved in since I moved to the land of OZ:
      > > 1. I have accepted a blessing from an ROC-MP priest...
      > > 2. Conducted a concert of Russian Orthodox liturgical and secular
      > > music in a CATHOLIC church, which was attended by concertgoers of
      > > various denominations, as well as Orthodox, including most of the
      > > Sydney ROCA clergy, the local ROC-MP priest and the resident RC
      > > priest. Also in a CATHOLIC church, I chanted various vozglasi
      > during
      > > a concert of Russian Orthodox liturgical music performed by the
      > > Melbourne Chorale...
      > > 3. Whilst in Melbourne, I crossed myself as I drove by an ROC-MP
      > > church, as well as a Serbian Orthodox church...
      > > 4. Ordered some podryasniki from the matushka of the Sydney ROC-
      MP
      > > priest (although that's only half-"heretical" since I haven't
      > picked
      > > them up or paid for them yet)...
      > > 5. Venerated relics of St Nektarios, which happen to rest in a
      > temple
      > > of the GOC-EP. I tried very hard to refrain from saying a little
      > > prayer for my boy's safe return from San Francisco, but, as a
      > result
      > > of my "weakness", I said it...
      > > 6. Used downloaded music from OCA.org for last Friday's english
      > > language choir rehearsal...
      > >
      > > I'm sorry if my radical behavior outlined above has upset the
      super-
      > > duper-orthodox of this list. Oh, and another thing I
      > > must "confess"... I also requested to have my name added to
      > > that "secret" letter rdr John was going on about earlier.
      > >
      > > Unworthy, sinful and whatever other terms of piety that some
      people
      > > use after their ridiculous ROCOR-bashing posts,
      > > dVG
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, larry most
      > > <larrymost2002@y...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST - GLORY TO HIM FOREVER
      > > > Dear dVG,
      > > > If being an "ecumenist" (heretic) means praying, and
      socialising
      > > with Orthodox of other ORTHODOX JURISIDICTIONS then I am GUILTY,
      > > GUILTY, GUILTY. I hope that I never become as judgemental as some
      > of
      > > the folks on this list.
      > > > Love in Christ,
      > > > Sub-deacon Lawrence Most (ROCOR)
      > > > "maestro_vg <diakon@o...>" <diakon@o...> wrote:Elizabeth!
      > > > What are you saying?! You sound like a typical
      > > > ecuemenist/heretic!!! :-)
      > > > dVG
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "boulia_1
      > <eledkovsky@h...>"
      > > > <eledkovsky@h...> wrote:
      > > > > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "Reader John
      > > > > <rdrjohn2000@y...>" <rdrjohn2000@y...> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > Tell me, did you ask for a blessing from "Metropolitan"
      > Alexy?
      > > I
      > > > > > know you did, but I'd like to hear it from you.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > You know, it's attitudes like this that make me sick! If
      young
      > > > > seminarian John was at a church in the USSR and *any* priest
      or
      > > > bishop
      > > > > were there, speaking to him, I would HOPE he would be proper
      > and
      > > > > cordial in his interaction, and that would include an
      Orthodox
      > > > > seminarian seeking a blessing from an ordained Orthodox
      > > clergyman.
      > > > If
      > > > >
      > > > > Indeed, my travels often put me in contact with MP clergy. I
      > > > routinely
      > > > > seek their blessing. Sometimes from priests or Bishops with
      > whom
      > > I
      > > > > strongly disagree on many things -- sometimes from clergy who
      > do
      > > > > things I personally think are incorrect. But, I try never to
      > lose
      > > > > sight of my lowly status ("unworthy," as some people like to
      > > label
      > > > > themselves) and not to judge.
      > > > >
      > > > > Once, at a music conference in LA, Abp. Anthony of blessed
      > memory
      > > > > directed me to seek the blessing of Bishop Tikhon, of a
      > different
      > > > > ("wrong") jurisdiction. So I am not alone in my thinking.
      > > > >
      > > > > Like them and the history and the politics or NOT, these men,
      > > too,
      > > > > pray and serve sacraments, and their hands may or may not be
      > the
      > > > > instruments of holy and divine mysteries. That is why we
      ought
      > to
      > > > kiss
      > > > > those hands. WE lowly people, "Reader John," are not given to
      > > know
      > > > or
      > > > > to judge WHO among us is worthy. Like the Pharisee, we should
      > not
      > > > be
      > > > > saying that we are good and others are wretched. Only God is
      in
      > a
      > > > > position to decide that.
      > > > >
      > > > > In Christ's love (invoked by the sign of the Cross made when
      a
      > > > > clergyman blesses),
      > > > > Elizabeth
      > > >
      > > >
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    • maureengirard <maureengirard@yahoo.com>
      ... wrote: Before our entire household is declared as over the brink, I have a couple of honest questions.
      Message 33 of 33 , Feb 27, 2003
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        --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "stefanvpavlenko
        <StefanVPavlenko@n...>" <StefanVPavlenko@n...> wrote:

        Before our entire household is declared as "over the brink," I have a
        couple of honest questions. Does she have a catalogue? Does she do
        Greek?
        Maureen


        > > 4. Ordered some podryasniki from the matushka of the Sydney ROC-
        MP
        > > priest (although that's only half-"heretical" since I haven't
        > picked
        > > them up or paid for them yet)...
        >
        > Everything BUT the above can be forgiven, do to human WEAKNESS and
        > the influence of the fallen world about us,----BUT ORDERING
        VESTMENTS
        > from other than MY matushka is unacceptable! CUSTOM LITURGICAL
        > VESTMENTS, over 25 years (oops, thirty) experiance: Tatiana
        Pavlenko,
        > 1136 Palm Drive, Burlingame, CA 94010 650 344 4355
        > tpavlenko@h... REPENT NOW!!!!
        >
        > o Stefan :-)
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "maestro_vg <diakon@o...>"
        > <diakon@o...> wrote:
        > > Good on ya Larry!
        > > Here are some of the major "heretical" activities that I have
        been
        > > involved in since I moved to the land of OZ:
        > > 1. I have accepted a blessing from an ROC-MP priest...
        > > 2. Conducted a concert of Russian Orthodox liturgical and secular
        > > music in a CATHOLIC church, which was attended by concertgoers of
        > > various denominations, as well as Orthodox, including most of the
        > > Sydney ROCA clergy, the local ROC-MP priest and the resident RC
        > > priest. Also in a CATHOLIC church, I chanted various vozglasi
        > during
        > > a concert of Russian Orthodox liturgical music performed by the
        > > Melbourne Chorale...
        > > 3. Whilst in Melbourne, I crossed myself as I drove by an ROC-MP
        > > church, as well as a Serbian Orthodox church...
        > > 4. Ordered some podryasniki from the matushka of the Sydney ROC-
        MP
        > > priest (although that's only half-"heretical" since I haven't
        > picked
        > > them up or paid for them yet)...
        > > 5. Venerated relics of St Nektarios, which happen to rest in a
        > temple
        > > of the GOC-EP. I tried very hard to refrain from saying a little
        > > prayer for my boy's safe return from San Francisco, but, as a
        > result
        > > of my "weakness", I said it...
        > > 6. Used downloaded music from OCA.org for last Friday's english
        > > language choir rehearsal...
        > >
        > > I'm sorry if my radical behavior outlined above has upset the
        super-
        > > duper-orthodox of this list. Oh, and another thing I
        > > must "confess"... I also requested to have my name added to
        > > that "secret" letter rdr John was going on about earlier.
        > >
        > > Unworthy, sinful and whatever other terms of piety that some
        people
        > > use after their ridiculous ROCOR-bashing posts,
        > > dVG
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, larry most
        > > <larrymost2002@y...> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST - GLORY TO HIM FOREVER
        > > > Dear dVG,
        > > > If being an "ecumenist" (heretic) means praying, and
        socialising
        > > with Orthodox of other ORTHODOX JURISIDICTIONS then I am GUILTY,
        > > GUILTY, GUILTY. I hope that I never become as judgemental as some
        > of
        > > the folks on this list.
        > > > Love in Christ,
        > > > Sub-deacon Lawrence Most (ROCOR)
        > > > "maestro_vg <diakon@o...>" <diakon@o...> wrote:Elizabeth!
        > > > What are you saying?! You sound like a typical
        > > > ecuemenist/heretic!!! :-)
        > > > dVG
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "boulia_1
        > <eledkovsky@h...>"
        > > > <eledkovsky@h...> wrote:
        > > > > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "Reader John
        > > > > <rdrjohn2000@y...>" <rdrjohn2000@y...> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > > Tell me, did you ask for a blessing from "Metropolitan"
        > Alexy?
        > > I
        > > > > > know you did, but I'd like to hear it from you.
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > You know, it's attitudes like this that make me sick! If
        young
        > > > > seminarian John was at a church in the USSR and *any* priest
        or
        > > > bishop
        > > > > were there, speaking to him, I would HOPE he would be proper
        > and
        > > > > cordial in his interaction, and that would include an
        Orthodox
        > > > > seminarian seeking a blessing from an ordained Orthodox
        > > clergyman.
        > > > If
        > > > >
        > > > > Indeed, my travels often put me in contact with MP clergy. I
        > > > routinely
        > > > > seek their blessing. Sometimes from priests or Bishops with
        > whom
        > > I
        > > > > strongly disagree on many things -- sometimes from clergy who
        > do
        > > > > things I personally think are incorrect. But, I try never to
        > lose
        > > > > sight of my lowly status ("unworthy," as some people like to
        > > label
        > > > > themselves) and not to judge.
        > > > >
        > > > > Once, at a music conference in LA, Abp. Anthony of blessed
        > memory
        > > > > directed me to seek the blessing of Bishop Tikhon, of a
        > different
        > > > > ("wrong") jurisdiction. So I am not alone in my thinking.
        > > > >
        > > > > Like them and the history and the politics or NOT, these men,
        > > too,
        > > > > pray and serve sacraments, and their hands may or may not be
        > the
        > > > > instruments of holy and divine mysteries. That is why we
        ought
        > to
        > > > kiss
        > > > > those hands. WE lowly people, "Reader John," are not given to
        > > know
        > > > or
        > > > > to judge WHO among us is worthy. Like the Pharisee, we should
        > not
        > > > be
        > > > > saying that we are good and others are wretched. Only God is
        in
        > a
        > > > > position to decide that.
        > > > >
        > > > > In Christ's love (invoked by the sign of the Cross made when
        a
        > > > > clergyman blesses),
        > > > > Elizabeth
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
        > > >
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        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
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        > > Service.
        > > >
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