Re: Fwd: Re: [orthodox-synod] MP Hierarchs
> Valentina Grigorieva wrote:consequences:
> > Dear list members,
> > 2 months have passed now since Fr. John Shaw wrote
> > following important words, so full of
> > QUOTE" More than half of the current hierarchy ofthe MP was elected after the fall of communism, and a
number of those who had been "compromised" before,
have been removed." UNQUOTE
--- "Fr. John R. Shaw" <vrevjrs@...> wrote
> JRS: First of all, I do *not* recall receiving yourSee my messages 7075 and 7092.
> The Moscow Patriarchate publishes an annualbefore the
> calendar, with photos and
> ordination data on all of its bishops.
> *Anyone* can look at this calendar, and compare it
> with the last one before the fall of communism, or
> beginning of perestroika, or with last year's, tosee who was a bishop then,
> who has died or been removed, and who was ordainedsince that time.
> The number of bishops alone has more than doubledenough evidence that
> since before the fall of communism, which should be
> new bishops have been consecrated.Dear Father, I am quite intrigued by your facility to
deal with MP. I personally never saw any MP Calendar
in France (except in MP churches ?), even at the Paris
« Rue Daru » Cathedral (Constantinople Jurisdiction) !
May we deduct from your post that you receive it since
the 90ies (15 years) and could check every year the
new bishops elected and the ones being removed as you
> But why you are asking me this, I simply am at adomain.
> loss to imagine! Do
> you disbelieve what I said? If so, go take a look
> for yourself. The information is in the public
Dear Father, I certainly have neither time nor the
documents themselves to do that , and thought you
would share with that list the results of your own
checking. I am sorry to conclude that if you cant
provide any figures supporting your assertions (see
quotation above), the list members will understand
that they cant consider it as valid?
If it was only a matter of a few names, it would not
have been so important as half of the hierarchy has
been removed which means around 75 bishops?
Again we see how difficult it is to have a real
dialogue opposed to unproved facts. The same with Bp
Varnava matter. The Synod issues a document to deposit
a bishop without referring to the good numbers of
Canons, priests are summoned practically the eve
of the summon to leave France for Germany (is it
fair?) to explain themselves, then 2 of them come back
to the Synod bossom without repentance and still
commemorating Vl Lavr AND Vl Vitaly, bans,
punishments, Vl Vitalys "kidnapping",disorders and
unending debates on the internet , in parishes, in the
families, all this is the perfect illustration of the
world of confusion in which we, laymen, have to live
our Orthodox faith.
To all the religious/politicians on that list and
elsewhere, whatever their plans maybe,whatever the
purity of their intentions is, whatever are the
earthly honours they have been promised, for Gods
sake, remember your spiritual inheritance and have
mercy on your flock who trusted you that long way,
even if it certainly goes against the spirit of
present time but in the spirit of Lord's Gospel.
I wish you all a good preparation to the forthcoming
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