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Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: Sermons [was:Confessions]

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  • MM Ossorgin
    Father, bless. You taught me many things I did not know, thanks. It makes a lot of sense. ... Well said! These assumptions have started many new traditions
    Message 1 of 2 , Dec 28, 2002
      Father, bless.

      You taught me many things I did not know, thanks. It makes a lot of sense.
      You also bring out a frequent problem in our churches:

      > Others may see them getting up to leave, and assume this is the thing to do.

      Well said! These "assumptions" have started many new traditions which
      become sacred after they are performed for even a short period of time.

      Thanks.

      In Christ, Michael

      On 12/28/02 11:12 AM, "Fr. John R. Shaw" <vrevjrs@...> wrote:

      > About 25 years ago, Ludmilla Georgievna Koehler wrote in an article, I
      > believe in "Orthodox Russia", that she had seen a large number of
      > people leaving a church in Russia when the sermon began, and she
      > assumed it must mean that "this priest was a known agent".
      >
      > However, it appears that this "exodus" was conditioned by the habit of
      > many priests of giving a sermon at the very end -- even after the
      > dismissal in some places. This, in turn, was of course motivated
      > by "late arrivals", and by a desire that the "whole flock" should be
      > present to hear what the pastor had to say in his homily. Then it
      > simply became the "accepted order".
      >
      > In modern Russia, with people deprived of religious education for 3
      > generations, there is a large proportion of the flock that has no idea
      > whatever of what is going on in church. They perceive the Orthodox
      > Church as a place to light candles against the background of soft
      > singing. I have encountered cases of people who were "disturbed", not
      > only by the sermon, but also by the reading of the Epistle and Gospel,
      > which "broke up their attitude of prayer".
      >
      > In my own case, I have always given fairly concise sermons, always
      > after the Gospel, and "all in one go"--with two different sermons or
      > sermonettes, one in Russian and one in English (since many understand
      > both languages).
      >
      > But unfortunately, those who are already accustomed to leaving the
      > church (and not coming back) the moment any sermon begins, do not stay
      > around to find out if it takes 5 minutes or 50 minutes! Others may see
      > them getting up to leave, and assume this is the thing to do.
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