Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: Will the Real Metropolitan Vitaly Please Stand Up?
- If Fr. Alexander was at the Synod he must have noticed Metr. Vitaly not
giving the staff over to Metr. Laurus?
After that election, Metropolitan Vitaly came into the Synod meeting room,
where the Sobor of Bishops was assembled, and congratulated Metropolitan
Laurus with his election, wished him well, and again reiterated that he
(Metropolitan Vitaly) was tired and happy to now be retired.
Vladimir, I was there at the Synod when it happened.
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>If Fr. Alexander was at the Synod he must have noticed Metr. Vitaly notThis is an example of the level of fantasy that the schismatics and their
>giving the staff over to Metr. Laurus?
defenders must stoop to.
First of all, the official rites of the election and installation
(enthronization) of a new First Hierarch are published and well known.
And, according to them, there is **absolutely** no ceremony of the Elder
Metropolitan (if he is still living) "handing over his staff" to the new
See the detailed description of the Enthronization of Metropolitan Philaret
in the presence of Metropolitan Anastassy, in the Sollogub massive
two-volume set. The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia," 1968, pp.
There, it is made clear that on the eve of the Installation, after the
Vigil and the First Hour, the Blue Mantia and the White Klobuk are brought
to the newly-elected Metropolitan by the two senior bishops (in that case,
by Archbishops John and Alexander).
At the Liturgy on the next day, at the vesting, the Mitre with the Cross is
brought out by a Protopresbyter and an Archimandrite.
After the Liturgy and the Molieben, the staff is brought out and given to
the new Metropolitan **not by the old Metropolitan** but by the senior
bishop, in that case, Archbishop John, who gives a formal ritual speech, in
which he says, ". . . And now, O Master and Brother, accept the staff of
pastorhip, and rise up onto the throne of hierarchical seniority. . ."
So the idea of "passing the staff" from the old Metropolitan to the new is
simply a myth.
Finally, the matter is even more foolish to bring up, because Mr. Nikitin
knows full well that three days before the Enthronization of Metropolitan
Laurus, enemies of the Church Abroad and their henchmen **whisked the
elderly Metropolitan Vitaly out of the Synod building and off to Canada**,
even though he had clearly told the police just minutes before that he had
no intention to go anywhere,-- precisely so that he would not be able to
participate in the enthronization.
With love in Christ,
Prot. Alexander Lebedeff
> enemies of the Church Abroad and their henchmen **whisked theCanada**,
> elderly Metropolitan Vitaly out of the Synod building and off to
> even though he had clearly told the police just minutes before thathe had
> no intention to go anywhere,-- precisely so that he would not beable to
> participate in the enthronization.Was this part of the argument of the Synod that a New York judge
rejected in favour of the Metropolitan's expressed wish to go to
I'm just curious.
Dear Fr. Alexander, you've accused "schismatics" of "stooping" to
discredit Metropolitan Laurus, yet there is often a defamatory
quality to your statements about those who stand by Metropolitan
Vitaly - who might just as easily accuse you of "stooping" to slander
them. Perhaps we need to just continue to debate the issues without
actually attacking the motives of those involved in the debate, and
just assume that everyone is trying to be honest and trying get to
the bottom of things, at least for those participating in the
discussion on this list. Otherwise, we might as well just start
throwing tomatoes at each other, right?
Please forgive me if I offend. I have found this discussion to be
very useful so far, which is the only reason I'm checking in with my
opinion now - I'd hate to see things devolve into the
rancorous "flame-wars" that consume many other email lists.
Sinner, and worthy of many "flames"