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  • nectarios@iveron.org
    Please can we not argue today.. For today is celebrated a Great Feast! In Christ s Love, Rdr. Nectarios Dormition of the Most Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin
    Message 1 of 2 , Aug 28, 2002
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      Please can we not argue today.. For today is celebrated a Great Feast!

      In Christ's Love,
      Rdr. Nectarios
      Dormition of the Most Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary
      15 August, 2002

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      From: "vkozyreff" <vladimir.kozyreff@...>
      To: <orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:09 AM
      Subject: [orthodox-synod] Fears of French clergy


      > Dear List,
      >
      > A few times on this forum, Father Alexander Lebedeff requested
      > details about what exactly was considered as unacceptable by the
      > French clergy about Vl Ambrose's conduct of Church affairs.
      >
      > So far, my replies have not been approved by the Moderator for
      > technical reasons. I submit thus the following posting, which is more
      > in line with the standards of this forum.
      >
      > Among the facts that disturbed the French clergy are those listed
      > below. As anybody will understand, they are documented public events
      > that were witnessed by many. Their occurring, I understand, is not
      > challenged by Vl Ambrose. What he would dispute, I guess, is their
      > interpretation. I am sure that Vl Ambrose has become more prudent in
      > these matters since the recent dramatic developments that we have
      > seen in our Church.
      >
      > - On the 29th of June 1995, Vl. Ambrose participated in full
      > vestments in the service of laying the first stone of the new
      > Rumanian church in Geneva, concelebrating with metropolitan
      > Damaskinos of the Patriarchate of Constantinople (the leader of
      > ecumenistic dialogues) and metropolitan Seraphim of the Patriarchate
      > of Bucharest. Vl Ambrose jointly signed the grammata sealed in the
      > stone. This took place at the time when in Paris our clergy was
      > desperately trying to preserve the Rumanian community under our Synod
      > from the attacks of those same official Churches.
      >
      > - In Geneva, from 1994 onwards, Vl. Ambrose knew that the main priest
      > of the cathedral, F. Pavel Tsvetkoff, had continual contacts with
      > M.P. clergy and even had discreetly concelebrated with them in
      > Paris.
      >
      > - In April 2000, Vl Ambrose blessed the organisation of a discussion
      > group aimed at preparing a pro-M.P change in the cathedral's
      > statutes and had several meetings with metropolitan Cyrill
      > (Gundiaev) of Smolensk.
      >
      > - Vl. Ambrose stated that the obstacle between MP and ROCA was
      > only "psychological".
      >
      > - Vl. Ambrose explained that there was already a commission to unite
      > the M.P with our Church and that the obstacles of the New Martyrs and
      > of sergianism had already been resolved. Since that time, the pro-MP
      > faction took over the legal control of the cathedral, changed the
      > statutes, and has shown by several votes that they want and are ready
      > to join the MP.
      >
      > - Vl Ambrose let the Geneva cathedral choir sing psalms with a
      > Jewish choir at the Conservatoire on a Sunday during Great Lent.
      >
      > My purpose in offering this information is in no way to cause
      > passions to flare up again, nor to accuse Vl Ambrose, but to invite
      > all to understand better a conflict that can be resolved, in my
      > opinion, by well conceived economia and love in Christ. Defrocking is
      > not the solution, in my opinion.
      >
      > A schism is worse than heresy. We were not able to prevent it from
      > happening. Passively letting the schism continue to be is a sin too.
      > Let us not add this sin to those that we already commited. Let us do
      > all that is in our power to resolve the separation that has
      > devastated our dear Church.
      >
      > I am just a layman, but I want to participate in this humble capacity
      > as much as I can. May the learned theologians forgive my ignorance
      > and help me learn to understand better spiritual matters.
      >
      > We all need peace and reunion. This is God's will.
      >
      > in God,
      >
      > Vladimir Kozyreff
      >
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    • ourlittlecity@aol.com
      In a message dated 8/28/2002 7:27:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... Give it a rest...a fitting request for Dormition. John Curtis Dunn [Non-text portions of
      Message 2 of 2 , Aug 28, 2002
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        In a message dated 8/28/2002 7:27:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
        nectarios@... writes:


        > Please can we not argue today.. For today is celebrated a Great Feast

        Give it a rest...a fitting request for Dormition.

        John Curtis Dunn


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