Re: Please not arguments on this great Feast
- Please can we not argue today.. For today is celebrated a Great Feast!
In Christ's Love,
Dormition of the Most Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary
15 August, 2002
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From: "vkozyreff" <vladimir.kozyreff@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:09 AM
Subject: [orthodox-synod] Fears of French clergy
> Dear List,
> A few times on this forum, Father Alexander Lebedeff requested
> details about what exactly was considered as unacceptable by the
> French clergy about Vl Ambrose's conduct of Church affairs.
> So far, my replies have not been approved by the Moderator for
> technical reasons. I submit thus the following posting, which is more
> in line with the standards of this forum.
> Among the facts that disturbed the French clergy are those listed
> below. As anybody will understand, they are documented public events
> that were witnessed by many. Their occurring, I understand, is not
> challenged by Vl Ambrose. What he would dispute, I guess, is their
> interpretation. I am sure that Vl Ambrose has become more prudent in
> these matters since the recent dramatic developments that we have
> seen in our Church.
> - On the 29th of June 1995, Vl. Ambrose participated in full
> vestments in the service of laying the first stone of the new
> Rumanian church in Geneva, concelebrating with metropolitan
> Damaskinos of the Patriarchate of Constantinople (the leader of
> ecumenistic dialogues) and metropolitan Seraphim of the Patriarchate
> of Bucharest. Vl Ambrose jointly signed the grammata sealed in the
> stone. This took place at the time when in Paris our clergy was
> desperately trying to preserve the Rumanian community under our Synod
> from the attacks of those same official Churches.
> - In Geneva, from 1994 onwards, Vl. Ambrose knew that the main priest
> of the cathedral, F. Pavel Tsvetkoff, had continual contacts with
> M.P. clergy and even had discreetly concelebrated with them in
> - In April 2000, Vl Ambrose blessed the organisation of a discussion
> group aimed at preparing a pro-M.P change in the cathedral's
> statutes and had several meetings with metropolitan Cyrill
> (Gundiaev) of Smolensk.
> - Vl. Ambrose stated that the obstacle between MP and ROCA was
> only "psychological".
> - Vl. Ambrose explained that there was already a commission to unite
> the M.P with our Church and that the obstacles of the New Martyrs and
> of sergianism had already been resolved. Since that time, the pro-MP
> faction took over the legal control of the cathedral, changed the
> statutes, and has shown by several votes that they want and are ready
> to join the MP.
> - Vl Ambrose let the Geneva cathedral choir sing psalms with a
> Jewish choir at the Conservatoire on a Sunday during Great Lent.
> My purpose in offering this information is in no way to cause
> passions to flare up again, nor to accuse Vl Ambrose, but to invite
> all to understand better a conflict that can be resolved, in my
> opinion, by well conceived economia and love in Christ. Defrocking is
> not the solution, in my opinion.
> A schism is worse than heresy. We were not able to prevent it from
> happening. Passively letting the schism continue to be is a sin too.
> Let us not add this sin to those that we already commited. Let us do
> all that is in our power to resolve the separation that has
> devastated our dear Church.
> I am just a layman, but I want to participate in this humble capacity
> as much as I can. May the learned theologians forgive my ignorance
> and help me learn to understand better spiritual matters.
> We all need peace and reunion. This is God's will.
> in God,
> Vladimir Kozyreff
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- In a message dated 8/28/2002 7:27:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Please can we not argue today.. For today is celebrated a Great FeastGive it a rest...a fitting request for Dormition.
John Curtis Dunn
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