Mansonville Synod.... help!
- To everyone who is indeed bothered by the actions of the people from
Mansonville, the ROCiE..
Which has been bothering me for some time, I came across a quote made by
Saint John the Wonderworker, in the San Francisco News Call Bulletin on
Aptil 29, 1963, which may help to ease the pain of we who are simply caught
in the middle. I offer it to this group...
"I'm a monk so I have to obey whatever the synod decides ... obey without
"remain faithful to the synod," and to "abstain from hasty action."
Vladyka's wisdom, echoing from the grave.
With Love In Christ,
- Do you know why in the late 1960's Saint John
Maximovitch, got involved in legal battles??
It was because of fanatics who wanted him gone as
Archbishop of Western America and San Francisco, for
offering up prayers to the newly installed Patriarch
So the Russian fanatics wanted him gone for this,
which they ultimately failed, and Saint John was
Glorified before God.
Suring any times of trouble, Saint John would tell the
faithful, to trust in your bishop, for the church lies
with them. I admit there are things that bother me,
and many others...
But Moscow has not done the things the Synod of
bishops of the Church Abroad have requested, so
communion is still severed!!!
These fantics are leaving for things that havent
occured. They leave, because they think "things" are
going to happen!
This is Orthodox fanaticsm..
They like to talk about the spirit of "something" that
has entered the church through new-calendarists and
modernists and ecumenists and so forth, yet I would
simply ask that they look in the mirror and see all
the damage that they are causing. Their outlandish
judgments of people they have never met, their open
condemnation of their bishops and hierarchs.
I have been with the Church Abroad for 67 years, and
the Church Abroad I am apart of is the same Church
Abroad I fled with from Serbia those many years ago,
If the Church Abroad has changed, it has moved more to
the right then anything. I was born Orthodox, I was
raised Orthodox, I knew St. John very well, I knew
Father Justin Popvich, I knew St. Nicholas
Velimirovich very well, and may I say, that the
Orthodoxy they preached, which I had the blessing to
hear first hand from all three, is the same as the
Orthodoxy that the Church Abroad upholds till this
And I am furious with half-wits who have not lived
with the Church Abroad long enough to make any
intelligent comment regarding them. Converts who
think they know more than the Orthodox who have been
there long before they came along. All I hear is
blasphemous talk from arrognat people, who are so
willing to condemn the Church to condemn Christ.
Varnave is the ring leader, I remember in the early
80's, when he was up for a possible bishopric, many
faithful did not want him to become a bishop, because
they felt he and his extremist tendensies, would
create schism in the church.. Even Vladyka Filaret was
against it, privately of course, anyone with class
would not bring things like this out in the open, but
I feel I must speak out!!
I will only say, in the words of Vladyka John, "Remain
faithful to the Synod and to the Church Abroad"
Especially when nothing has occured!!
We are still in communion with Serbia and Jerusalem.
We are not in communion with new-calendarists, which
may I say, Saint John served with new calendarist
bishops many times, as did Father Justin and St.
They are not outside Orthodoxy, they have been
attacked head first by the evil one, and it has
tainted their church, and we so openly condemn them,
at the same time we turn our backs on them.. We must
Same thing with Moscow. How are you suppose to have
dialogue with someone if you turn your back on them
and refuse their existense, not even giving them the
proper respect. Even Vladyka Filaret said "we cannot
indefinately remain seperate from the Moscow Church."
They are incomplete without us as are we without them,
we both will not survive without each other. They are
coming to understand that, and so must we.
>>>>He didn't hand over his staff to the New Metr.He didnt hand over his staff to the next hierarch
because he was stolen!!!
I know a few people, who have known Vladyka for nearly
fifty years, as long as he's been a bishop, who cant
even speak to him in Mansonville, any one who doesnt
believe and who knows Vladyka well, try calling
there.. See if you can get him on the phone, you will
find that this impossible, they always have an excuse
for anyone not to talk to him. Anyone who knows
Vladyka, knows how easy it was to get him on the
phone, The last time I called him, was to ask his
advise regarding one of my kids, and another thing, he
would always call people to wish them a happy name
day, always!! He did not do that for me, or for anyone
else I know in recent months. He called me last year
to wish me a happy name day, he called George, he
called Piotr, etc. Except this year nothing!!
Why? I mean am I the only one, who notices these
things?? Not him not wishing me a happy name day. It
is the overall change. They keep him locked up!!!
You know what, I am going to go up there myself to
speak with him alone. And let's see if that can
happen, and I am going to take someone with me to
document it, with a hidden camera and eveything.
Because he is the only one their who is legitimate,
and they keep a strangle hold on him.
And I can bet, that they are not going to let me talk
to him.. If I can get to him, which I doubt, and it
would be a wasted trip, but at least I will have
evidence that they are restricting his personal
freedom, If I can get to talk to him though, I am
going to tell him, their are now two ROCOR churches,
Varnava has established a second church and has used
your nakme to create schism in the Church Abroad,
small as it may be. Yet it has been done. And well
shall se, if Andrew or Fr. Serge, ooh excuse me,
"bishop" Serge are going to let me in the door.. I
really believe they wont let me see the Metropolitan,
who married me no less to my wife of 30 years, when he
was Archbishop.. Let's just say for those of you who
dont know me, Vladyka and my family have been very
close for many years, he and my father were very close
What they are doing is bringing the Mathewitte heresy
into the Russian church, which was condmened by all
the Metropolitans and all the Synods of the Church
Abroad throughout the years..
With Christ's Love,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Nikitin" <mikeniki@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] Mansonville Synod....
> Be careful not to take words out of context.
> Metr.Vitaly. many priests and people begged the
Bishops to rescind the
> letter to Patr.Pavel and the commitee for dialogue
> One Bishop did not sign the statement of the Synod
and Metr.Vitaly and 2
> other Bishops rescinded their signature until there
was a another conference
> to go over this statement the Synod made. At the
second Council Metr.Vitaly
> was forced to resign and left an hoyr into the first
meeting. He didn't hand
> over his staff to the New Metr.
> Hence, the Robber Synod!
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> To everyone who is indeed bothered by the actions of
the people from
> Mansonville, the ROCiE..
> Which has been bothering me for some time, I came
across a quote made by
> Saint John the Wonderworker, in the San Francisco
News Call Bulletin on
> Aptil 29, 1963, which may help to ease the pain of
we who are simply caught
> in the middle. I offer it to this group...
> "I'm a monk so I have to obey whatever the synod
decides ... obey without
> asking questions."
> "remain faithful to the synod," and to "abstain from
> Vladyka's wisdom, echoing from the grave.
> With Love In Christ,
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