Re: members and friends of ROCA - please post
- --- In orthodox-synod@y..., Rev Mark Gilstrap <fr.mark@s...> wrote:
> Dear list,Dear Father Mark,
> > Since the reincarnation of the Orthodox-ROCOR list it
> seems to me like there has been a dearth of postings here on
> Orthodox-Synod and that this vaccuum has been filled by non-ROCA
> views. However, now that there is that forum where MP and OCA
> clergy are allowed to post freely and conservative ROCA clergy
> are moderated, I think it is time to contract a bit and limit
> this list to ROCA's friends as defined by the list's purpose.
> By this I do not mean to restrict ROCA members' various opinions.
Actually it is a pity to have all those many lists: synod, roca,
juristictions, paradosis... the topics discussed are more or less the
same on all of them. In the case of Father Mihail Rahr I think yoou
are not quite fair to him. He is not an enemy of ROCA or ROCOR (why
do you make a difference here)- he is just critical to some points in
the history of ROCA/ROCOR and gives us his arguments. I do not think
it is neither "propaganda" as you put it nor slander. I follow his
discourses with Fathers Alexander Lebedeff, Father John Shaw and
Father John Whitford with great interest. All of them are very well
informed and it is for me very edifying. I have got a lot to think
about now and I am sure others think so as well. After all, when else
does one have the opportunity to get such an information? I do not
read Russian I have not the means to get hold of all those books,
letters etc. Here I get the important things with commentaries from
educated clergy whom I respect very much.
Why should we in ROCA/ROCOR be afraid of these discussions? History
is always a question of interpretation. Time goes by and some things
are seen in a different light, from another angle. Why should we be
afraid? we are not hiding anything - we believe in ROCOR being a
ligitimate canonical Russian Orthodox Church. What is the use of an
exclusive forum when you do not admit other points of view? And
indeed, I am very much surprised that a native American deprives
someone the freedom of speech.
I think it extremely fair of father Alexander Lebedeff, who has done
so much to edify us converts all over the world via his postings that
he allows different points of view on his jurisdictions list. If you
do not like a certain posting - you are the moderator! Why silence
him or her? Give an adequate answer or lead the discussion into the
rifht direction. But making accusations against someone and not give
him the chance to answer is just not right. At least I think so.
> The result? Fr Mikhail who is *not* free to post his
> propaganda here on the ROCA Synod list, wrote the following and
> Who is slandering whom? Again, note the soviet tactic of
> accusing someone of that to which they are opposed.
> Seeking the "people's" voice,
> priest Mark, aka Gill-il-Strap
- --- In orthodox-synod@y..., "Andrea Schulze" <anastasia_schulze@y...>
> Actually it is a pity to have all those many lists: synod, roca,the
> juristictions, paradosis... the topics discussed are more or less
> same on all of them.I disagree that the topics are more or less the same. True
one can find teh same contention provoking topics on each,
but that is what I am trying to change.
I think I also disagree with the pitiableness. As Fr
Gregory sais, we don't have time for all this contention.
Fr Alexander created the jurisdictions list to draw away
the unedifying (to most) interjurisdictional debate from
the main ORTHODOX list (@...). From what
you say Fr John allows (and maybe enjoys?) such discussions
on his ROCOR list and there's nothing wrong with that, but
can we not have a place free of this tension of constant
dialectic between Eastern Catholics, Moscow Patriarchate
or whatever? Is ROCA such a limited interest group
that we have nothing to discuss or disseminate amongst
ourselves? I created orthodox-synod nearly ten years
ago as the first sublist of the ORTHODOX list and as a
refuge from this fare which is available on so many other
forums as you have noted. Especially before a Great Feast
such fare always degrades - to the joy of whom?