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  • Nikolaj
    This has been posted before and is a splendid example of the anti-russian propaganda I mentioned in a previous posting to this list. It is full of unverifyed
    Message 1 of 2 , May 31, 2001
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      This has been posted before
      and is a splendid example of
      the anti-russian propaganda
      I mentioned in a previous posting
      to this list.

      It is full of unverifyed postulates.
      Just mentioning a few -
      I was never charged a single kopek for
      entering the Pskov Caves, nor did I see
      any "Vogue" posings in Monasteries.
      The so-called "sparkling Holy Water"
      made me laugh....:-)
      That was really innovative....but
      "unfortunately" I have never seen this too.

      In Christ
      Nikolaj

      "Forgiveness is better than revenge. "
      St. Tikhon of Zadonsk
      + + +



      >
      > AILING MOTHER RUSSIA
      >
      > My youngest daughter and I were granted the opportunity to go to Russia,
      > the land of our forefathers, in the midst of its recent economic
      > crisis. We had a work-study visa for a half year. We did not know what to
      > expect. We found vestiges of an incredible empire in the elaborate
      > monasteries, country churches, planned cities, and quaint
      > villages. Nevertheless, eighty-two years of systematic destruction in the
      > hands of a "godless government" was clearly evident. I overheard a
      > stranger as we were leaving the Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg say,
      > "Look, how mighty Russia was when she believed in God!" This statement
      > reflects everything.
      >
      > The late poet and popular Russian singer, lgor Talkov, composed a
      > song named "Metamorphosis," change in form, but not in essence. Without
      > the fear of God, the same lack of conscience that began in 1917 continues
      > to prevail. One cannot help but notice this illustrated in the official
      > Moscow Patriarchal Church. However, laymen cannot be fooled by its glossy
      > exterior. I have heard observations from many sources in this regard:
      > "Priests nowadays are nothing like the ones described in Ivan Shmeleff's,
      > 'In the Year of the Lord,'" commented a young woman. A young man remarked,
      > "I prayed better in St. Sophia of Novgorod when it was a museum... they
      > [priests] drive Mercedes accompanied by questionable companions, while we
      > have nothing to eat and they serve at the altars of our cathedrals... it is
      > sad."
      >
      > "I would rather go to church outside services, light a candle rather than
      > look at this theater," remarked a woman in her forties. A lady in her
      > sixties said, "I believe in God, but I cannot walk through a church
      > door... I was conditioned by the Party since my youth." A young lady of
      > eighteen related: "I went to Confession, he asked me when I had confession
      > last, I told him a month ago, he said it was not good and that it would
      > cost me twenty rubles!" A Novgorod history professor observed, "I am not
      > Orthodox, but I always had respect for the Church; unfortunately, after the
      > open persecutions ended, the clergy went the wrong way, not aligning
      > together with the holy tradition of Orthodoxy in Holy Russia, but with the
      > material conveniences of the government." It is clear that the public is
      > searching for meaning, something deeper. But without previous exposure,
      > some are drawn to Protestantism with its powerful missions. Others to
      > Hinduism, the New Age, and the Occult. At meetings of young people, the
      > typical conversational icebreaker is often "and what is your
      > horoscope?" They do not know where to look.
      >
      > Mingling prayers with money, reminiscent of indulgences, is another odious
      > aspect of the official church. We witnessed school children as they were
      > entering the caves at the Pskovo-Pecherskii monastery, charged twelve
      > rubles each by a monk. He then placed the jingling coins into his pocket,
      > loudly following the group with orders to hurry up. To visit the holy
      > caves was more expensive than a theater entrance ticket for eight rubles .
      > What would children think of this holy place? When we visited the
      > Svetagorskii monastery, two foreign students and a German instructor were
      > shortchanged ten rubles each for icons that they bought in the church
      > store. Fearing that the incident would darken their memory of the visit to
      > the Monastery and the grave of Pushkin, I told them it was probably a mistake.
      >
      > "Vogue" models posed on location inside the Novo Dievichi Monastery church
      > in Moscow, while believers are not allowed to take photographs because it
      > is considered "irreverent." Not to mention the preposterous sale of
      > "regular" or "sparkling" Holy Water and the charge of two rubles for each
      > additional name in the commemorative sheets at the Iveron Mother of God
      > Chapel at the Kremlin Gates of Moscow.
      >
      > My daughter was advised to take Holy Communion at the local Sts. Boris and
      > Gleb Church in Novgorod, to which she replied that she could not because
      > she was not part of the Moscow Patriarchate. She was reassured by the
      > words, "Don't worry, Bishop Lev allows Roman Catholics to have Communion
      > in our church!" These situations were unfamiliar to us. It was not at
      > all what we understood of Orthodoxy for all of our lives. It was shocking
      > to us and we were uncomforted by the Moscow Patriarchate services.
      >
      > These amazing cathedrals, churches and monasteries have witnessed the
      > prayers and tears of generations of believers. They are holy places that
      > guard saints' relics and holy icons. So many miracles have occurred and
      > still occur within their walls. An English girl travelling with us
      > remarked, "Those priests do not seem to blend with the majesty of
      > their surroundings." At the St. Sergius Seminary Museum, among the
      > ancient icons, beautiful crosses, and elaborate Holy Gospels, we saw Medals
      > of Lenin proudly displayed. Medals with the face of an open enemy of
      > Christianity responsible for the death of millions awarded to the
      > Patriarchs of the Moscow Patriarchate. Patriarch Sergius' Declaration to
      > the USSR leaders stated, "Your sorrows are our sorrows and your joys are
      > our joys," thus creating union with the godless authority.
      >
      > To this day the concession remains, not with Communism per se, but with the
      > "new" authority, Socialism's metamorphosis. It is very difficult to live
      > according to the Law of God under such conditions. Nevertheless, many are
      > sincerely searching for the truth and spirituality of holy tradition. They
      > visit the magnificent cathedrals and ignore the official politics. They
      > place emphasis rather on the true essence of Christianity, the Word of
      > God. We have wonderful memories of a memorial service at Blessed Xenia's
      > Chapel and the reliquary of St. John of Kronstadt.
      >
      > Searching for the path of truth, many go further by starting anew with the
      > Church not accepted by the Moscow Patriarchate. They are now the clergy
      > and the parishioners of a Church that remained free in spirit from
      > anti-Christian rule and ecclesiastical compromise. A Church that since the
      > Revolution of 1917 has been in exile or underground. It is the only living
      > remainder of the Russian Empire, uncompromised and unstained in its
      > ideology, our Russian Church Abroad.
      >
      > A matushka in Russia explained to her parishioners, "We are the Church of
      > Holy Russia, the Church that the Tsar-martyrs belonged to." These people
      > are true heroes of our times. Materially poor, simple, infinitely deep in
      > spirit, struggling, and ever loyal to the Russia that is under God. They
      > pray for the salvation of the Russian land and for its struggling
      > people. They pray for the health and salvation of our Metropolitan Vitaly,
      > who together with the Holy Synod of bishops has accepted them with open
      > arms in the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. They are part of our Church
      > and need our moral and economic support.
      >
      > I am surprised when I hear among our church members a desire to be part of
      > the Moscow Patriarchate. I can understand their nostalgia for festive
      > choirs, holy icons and white churches, but they have to look deeper. The
      > question is, who is serving in those white churches? As the newly departed
      > Abbess Elizabeth from England was quoted in the February 1999 issue of
      > 'Orthodox Russia,' "For some sense of sentimental patriotism, our
      > compatriots are ready to join -- whom? The pseudo-patriarch and his synod
      > of agents of the KGB!"
      >
      > With a deep sense of gratitude I thank our forebears who, with the blessing
      > of New Martyr Patriarch Tikhon, established our Russian Orthodox Church
      > Abroad. It is our greatest treasure which we should cherish with all our
      > hearts. I also sincerely hope that by the will of God, Russia will return
      > to that which she once was. The only way this is a possibility is to have
      > a government, church, and people living with the fear of God. May the
      > prayers of the New Martyrs and Confessors of the Russian Land save the
      > souls of her people.
      >
      > -- by M. G. Subotina
      >
      > {Reprinted from pp. 6 - 8 of "Orthodox Life," Vol. 49, No. 2, March April 1999}
      >
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    • Nikolaj
      Dear v I know Svyatoi Istochnik very well. But seriously - nobody believes that this is Holy Water? This can t be true - not even a first time tourist
      Message 2 of 2 , May 31, 2001
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        Dear v

        I know "Svyatoi Istochnik" very well.
        But seriously - nobody believes that
        this is Holy Water?
        This can't be true - not even a first time
        tourist believes this.

        +
        Nikolaj

        "People, seized by passions,
        will rape the Scriptures according
        to their desires"
        (St. Clement of Alexandria )
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: V. J. Boitchenko <venceslav@...>
        To: <orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:00 PM
        Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] Ailing Mother Russia


        > Nikolay!
        >
        > I think that it is a classic example of what Russians in Russia call "Utka". It is just too bad that it appeared in Orthodox America. The author may have not even traveled to Russia or did not even see everything that he described. He must have simply collected for the purpose of his article all the "bad things about Russia" that he could think of, or he may have heard of. I can even recognize some isolated facts taken from other sources. The obvious innacuracies make the objective criticism similarly worthless. In other places the author must have simply "slyshal zvon..." There is a mineral water called "Svyatoi Istochnik" (Holy Spring) that is sold at supermarkets and the label says that it is sold by the appointment or blessing from the Patriarch of Moscow. There has been a lot of criticism about it in the Russian media in the first place. I saw the TV commercial and I thought it was just pathetic.
        >
        > v
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Nikolaj
        > To: orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:44 AM
        > Subject: Sv: [orthodox-synod] Ailing Mother Russia
        >
        >
        > This has been posted before
        > and is a splendid example of
        > the anti-russian propaganda
        > I mentioned in a previous posting
        > to this list.
        >
        > It is full of unverifyed postulates.
        > Just mentioning a few -
        > I was never charged a single kopek for
        > entering the Pskov Caves, nor did I see
        > any "Vogue" posings in Monasteries.
        > The so-called "sparkling Holy Water"
        > made me laugh....:-)
        > That was really innovative....but
        > "unfortunately" I have never seen this too.
        >
        > In Christ
        > Nikolaj
        >
        > "Forgiveness is better than revenge. "
        > St. Tikhon of Zadonsk
        > + + +
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
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