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Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: AN UKAZ CONCERNING THE BANNING OF THE CLERGY OF THE WESTERN-EUROPEAN EPARCHY

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  • Vladimir Kozyreff
    Dear Father Maximos, Please be so kind as to explain your thinking. If we know for sure - that the rebellious clergy, before Vl Ambrose was appointed bishop
    Message 1 of 38 , May 3, 2001
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      Dear Father Maximos,

      Please be so kind as to explain your thinking.

      If we know for sure

      - that the "rebellious" clergy, before Vl Ambrose was appointed bishop for
      Western Europe, expressed serious, motivated and documented reservations
      about Vl Ambrose becoming their bishop,
      - and that the Synod ignored this,

      even if we have no right to know, we are concerned for sure, even if we have
      no right to be concerned.

      The apparent significance of the facts weights far more than our rights, it
      seems to me.

      Am I wrong?

      Yours in Christ and asking for your blessings,

      VK




      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Father Maximos" <mga@...>
      To: <orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:25 PM
      Subject: [orthodox-synod] Re: AN UKAZ CONCERNING THE BANNING OF THE CLERGY
      OF THE WESTERN-EUROPEAN EPARCHY



      > It would seem to me, that such matters would be between the clergy
      > who made the complaints and the Synod who either heard them, or chose
      > not to hear them. Since neither of them have made these things
      > public, I don't think we really have any "right to know".
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    • catherine elaine sullivan
      Elizabeth- I m with you there. Sometimes Orthodox people (especially in this country) behave as if we were a Congregational church, where everything is up for
      Message 38 of 38 , May 7, 2001
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        Elizabeth- I'm with you there. Sometimes Orthodox people (especially in this
        country) behave as if we were a Congregational church, where everything is up
        for majority vote!
        --- "Dr. Elizabeth W. Riggs" <ewriggs@...> wrote:
        > On 2 May 01, at 17:53, rsjmil wrote:
        >
        >
        > > What is missing from this situation is any information regarding their
        > > disagreement with their appointed Bishop. Could it be they have a
        > > factual case? If they do, there are better, more Canonical ways of
        > > dealing with it. There must be some reason why they are so opposed to
        > > Bishop Ambroise (spelling from the Directory.) What are the facts? And
        > > is he Bishop or Archbishop now?
        > >
        > > Jos M
        >
        > As Aslan would say, "that is not your story." This is a matter that
        > should not affect any except those directly involved - the clergy and
        > some of the laity in France and the Synod of Bishops. No one else is
        > involved. It is none of our business. The Synod of Bishops has spoken
        > and that's it.
        >
        > All this nosing around and looking for reasons for dissention is NOT
        > Orthodox. It is more like a bunch of American Protestants.
        >
        > How many Protestant churches are there in a town? One more than the
        > number of Protestants.
        >
        > If we don't take care our Orthodox Churches will end up with as many
        > splinter groups as the Protestants. Again, this is NOT Orthodox.
        >
        > We all need to grow up, get a life and involve ourselves in our OWN
        > parishes and not everyone else's parishes. If we work to build up the
        > Body of Christ at our own local level and avoid pointing fingers at
        > others, if we work on obedience to our Bishop and avoid looking for
        > reasons to dissent, we are more likely to see Orthodoxy thrive.
        >
        > The Synod of Bishops is not a body elected by "the peepul." They are
        > appointed by the rest of the Bishops through the grace of the Holy
        > Spirit. Could it be possible that the Bishops know some things that
        > "wee the peepul" don't know? Could it be possible that God is working
        > through our hierarchy to further His Kingdom? Absolutely.
        >
        > It's time to let all this stuff go and get on with helping each other
        > develop spiritually in an Orthodox manner.
        >
        > Just my $0.02 worth.
        >
        >
        > Yours in Christ,
        > Elizabeth Riggs, a sinner
        > and Perennial Student
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        =====
        Catherine
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