Sv: [orthodox-synod] Why Pray?
- "At the times when you remember God,
increase your prayers, so that when you
forget Him, the Lord may remind you."
-- St. Mark the Ascetic
(On the Spiritual Law no. 25,
The Philokalia Vol. 1 pg. 25):
"When the mind and heart are
united in prayer and the soul's
thoughts are not dispersed,
the heart is warmed by
spiritual warmth in which
the light of Christ shines,
making the whole inner
man peaceful and joyous."
(St. Seraphim of Sarov)
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Subject: [orthodox-synod] Why Pray?
> This one is a little verbose (not like me, huh?) but I wanted to share it
> with you. It is an answer I wrote for someone who asked me why pray, if
> God has already done all good anyway. The discussion started over my
> suggestion that we all pray for Timothy McVeigh. Hope you like it.
> Love and prayers,
> This is a tough question, one with which I have wrestled myself
> for a long time because I love intercessory prayer so much, but here
> goes. Please bear in mind that ALL God analogies will limp, but they're
> all we have to resort to...
> God is eternal and without change. The catch is in the second part. God
> does not act in a chronological fashion as we do (and as we have been,
> even in Scripture, reduced to describing Him as doing.) Unlike ourselves,
> God does not get up in the morning and decide what to do. He does not
> "do" in that sense, He just "be's".
> God is pure act and perfect good. That means God did all that He was
> going to do, including all the good He would give the world all at once,
> in one act of infinite, tremendous majesty which will continue to unfold
> until the end of time. Scripture, esp. in the Old Testament, relates this
> differently, as sequential behavior, a,b,c, because it is the ONLY
> language we limited humans had to express what happened to us IN time by
> a divine Agent OUTSIDE of time. Phrases that suggest God changed His mind
> are examples of this. God is perfect. His mind does not change, it cannot
> and need not, because, unlike us, God was always right the first - and,
> in His case- the only time.
> God's pure action and love unfolds in time, as it is happening to us, so
> we quite naturally see it as sequential, but it isn't. I hate to use an
> analogy so dumb, but it's rather like dropping a whole alka-seltzer
> tablet in water. The tablet is already formed, with chemical properties
> stable and complete. The bubbles which result come one by one. A bit more
> poetically put, the bulbs of next year's tulips already have the bud and
> flower within. It is we who confuse the process of the flower's
> development and unfolding with it's existence. The bulb doesn't wake up
> next Spring and decide to "make" a bloom. It's already a done deal.
> Bear with me here, I know this is getting long, but it is a tough
> question and it takes some time.
> Because we have all grown up with the sequential idea of Scripture, with
> phrases like God relented, even the one that always gets me "God
> regretted (!)" what He had planned to do to Nineveh, we get a flawed
> notion of the function of prayer, we think we can change God's mind or
> sway His will. Whooops! God's mind is perfect, can't be wrong, can't
> change, cannot do evil. No amount of democracy or prayerful opinion poll
> here is gonna change His mind. If His mind could change, we would be VERY
> displeased with the decidedly imperfect results! Still, as God knows from
> all time, if those flawed analogies can get us to pray, they can't be all
> bad. It is the prayer, our prayer, that is important and is willed by
> There is the important thing: God WILLS us to pray for, thereby truly
> participating in, the good He has done from all eternity. It is His free
> and gracious and loving gift to us. Neither we nor our prayers DO the
> good or effect it, but we participate in God's act and will and this
> tickles God immensely, so to speak, it delights Him. My favorite analogy
> looms: it is like a mother getting a toddler to "help" her make cookies.
> Do the cookies get made? Sure! Did the kid really help? Yes! Could the
> mother have done it alone in half the clean-up time? You bet! But she
> wanted the child to be a part of her work out of love. So it is with God.
> We get to help and He wants us to do that. Our doing so pleases Him. More
> than enough reason to do it right there.
> Think of how many rivets there are in the Empire State Building. Imagine
> that there was a fundraiser that allowed people to "buy" a rivet. They
> probably wouldn't all get sold, but the Empire State would still be
> there, with rivets sold or unsold! No one who bought a rivet would dare
> say they built the building, but everyone who bought one could truly feel
> they were a real part of it. Now, imagine that the fundraiser was today,
> when the building is already there. That's a little bit like what goes on
> with God.
> Our prayers let us make cookies, buy rivets and be part of every single
> act of mercy, love or compassion throughout the cosmos, throughout time
> and beyond it. Not shabby. Our prayers thrust us to the very core and
> heart of history as participants, not mere observers. Our prayers enable
> us to cooperate with God.
> God IS going to save Timothy McVeigh, in fact, I stated that wrong: God
> HAS saved Tim already, from all eternity. Only Tim can thwart that by his
> free will. However, that saving by God was not effected, nor will it be
> effected by a last minute prayer at midnight on the 15th of May, it was
> part of the pure act of God from all eternity. God ALLOWS us to be part
> of His goodness and wants us to be.
> Prayer DOES seem to change things. What I wrote before was accepted
> theology, this is just my own wandering opinion. I KNOW that God does
> not mess with free will, but I often wonder if WE aren't able to by our
> prayers. Nothing in theology would prevent that. I wonder if there isn't
> some way that our collective, praying consciousness has power and force,
> not only on people, but even on microbes and cancer cells and events.
> That is possible, but we'll never know until heaven. I also wonder if, in
> doing His one pure act, with perfect foreknowledge, God was not moved by
> knowing in advance how many would pray, delighting in advance with the
> loving response of creatures He knew were coming millions of years hence.
> Mind-boggling, isn't it?
> Pray, my dear. I don't know exactly how it works, no one does. But it
> works! And God wants us to.
> Love and prayers,
> PS: Want another mind-blower? If there is such a thing as the one prayer
> that turns the tide, none of us praying for Tim might be saying it. It
> could have been said by a forgotten hermit who didn't know who he was
> praying for, who died alone in the forests of Gaul in 410 or so. God is
> outside time! You can pray for Charlemagne when he was four. You can pray
> for your mother on her first date.
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