Friends of ROCOR?
- According to the official description of this group it is for:
>An interest group for members and friends ofYet I notice that people such as Father Elia the " Acting Exarch "
>the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad (ROCA/ROCOR).
for some spurious body, who continues to proclaim that ROCOR is no
longer a Church,on his web site he writes:
> The present fraud of the ROCA is that it is a church atHow can he possibly considered a " friend or member" of Our Church?
>all, that is that it has any contact with the One Holy
>Catholic and Apostolic Church,has Grace, has real bishops,
>real Mysteries etc.
Russian Orthodox Church Abroad
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- GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST GLORY TO HIM FOREVER
"Does this mean that I have to pray with this man".
How incredibly sad. This is Orthodoxy, I hope not.
Love in Christ,
Sub-deacon Lawrence Most
--- Joanne Gadzinski <joasia9@...> wrote:
> So basically we have to either put up or shut up. Is
> that how it goes? I
> understand about respecting the hierarchs, but if
> they are leading me down
> the road to perdition..I don't want to be led
> blindly over the cliff.
> I care about what happens to my church. Already, I
> saw an OCA priest
> standing in the corner. Does this mean that now I
> am forced to pray with
> this man? It's done against my will. So what
> should I do? Leave?
> Don't the bishops care about how we feel about
> things? I guess not.
> We have the right to voice our opinions and
> misgivings. We are not the
> enemy. We want what's right for our church
> The "we" refers to the people who are in
> disagreement with the bishops'
> But, it looks like there is a majority of pro-union
> Just wait and see where this will lead. The
> prophesies of the Russian
> saints are not in vain.
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> Subject: [orthodox-synod] Friends of ROCOR?
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:43:46 -0500
> I disagree with John Walker's post. When
> someone does not fit the
> basic definition of a member of the list ("member"
> or "friend" of ROCOR), it
> is NOT persecution on the part of the list to point
> that out.
> In order to be a member or even a friend of
> ROCOR, you have to first
> of all respect the decisions of its hierarchs--else
> you are not a friend,
> but at enmity. What can be clearer?
> The fact that Mr. Kozyreff has more time on
> his hands than the rest of
> us, and can work backwards from *any* given
> statement to the conclusion that
> he wishes to draw, still does not make him a "friend
> of ROCOR." It simply
> makes him persistent.
> This gets to the heart of the deception of
> those who left ROCOR, but
> who falsely consider themselves the "real"
> ROCOR--whether they be
> Mansonville, Suzdal', or Brookline.... in this way
> they think themselves
> "friends" when they are really in very basic enmity
> to the Church and in
> disobedience to Her hierarchs. In fact, the people
> being "persecuted" here
> are our hierarchs, who are being called "so-called."
> >It is my hope that the moderator will review these
> comments below
> >carefully and explain how can this be considered "a
> friend of the
> >Russian Church Abroad." My understanding is that
> this list is for
> >members of the Russian Church Abroad, and that
> friends of the
> >RussianChurch Abroad may participate. How can
> someone who
> >claims that are bishops are "so-called bishops" be
> on this list?
> >I ask that the moderator consider this matter
> seriously and take
> what > he sees as
> >proper action.
> >In Christ,
> >Priest Victor Boldewskul
> I have no doubt that many here would welcome
> Vladimir Kozyreff's
> expulsion not only because they are not accustomed
> to criticism but
> also because Vladimir is a good writer whose writing
> makes them
> uncomfortable. His standpoint can be criticised &
> defeated, but
> should not serve as grounds for any persecution.
> John Walker
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