Re: [orthodox-synod] ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS
- This may of interest to all!
"Also, I would like to share with you some interesting comments on
that I received from a friend this morning...
Unfortunately, what one means by the term "dialogue" is often unclear and
left undefined. There is a tendency on the part of some to think that if we
talk to the MP then we must be opening ourselves up to suggestions by them
that required us to compromise our ecclesiology and stance in relation to
modernism and ecumenism (sergianism). Here, the unspoken claim, then, is
means "willingness to consider compromise". I am not sure that this is
is really happening in most cases of our "dialogue" with the MP. Others
understand "dialogue" to simply mean some sort of face to face discussion
differences that divide the churches without the implication that ROCOR is
prepared to relinguish any of its principles."
Unworthy Deacon Basil from Canberra
orthodixie@... on 12/01/2000 09:56:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS
hieroschemamonk Elia writes:
> Most of our clergy are deeply troubled, and afraid, andUh ... not me. I believe that such comments are counterproductive in light
of the Epistle from the Sobor and the Resolutions from the Southern
I once had a Council meeting where someone claimed that "everyone" was
talking about ____ X _____. "Who?" I asked. "Oh," he said, "that's
confidential." I replied, "No, you said *everyone* is talking. Now,
you tell me names, I'm going to assume that *everyone* means YOU." In the
end, it turned out that there were TWO people talking: a known gossip &
This forum -- the orthodoxy-synod list -- is no place to air such sweeping
Fr Joseph Huneycutt
St Nicholas Church (ROCOR) - Fletcher, NC
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> Dear Robert,of
> The Lord Bless! BY all means, please turn the second hand
> elliptical references to first hand experience, like this:
> 1) Compare side by side the Metropolitan's Preconciliar
> Epistle with the Sobor's Epistle. Notice that the latter
> ignores the former, and the Sobor even sets up a committed
> Abp. Mark, Bishops Michael and Gabriel , Fr. Perekrestof, and aI can answer that question as I received a fax from our Lesna Convent
> deacon whose name escapes me (I am old)
in Normandy right after our Sobor Epistle has been issued : Deacon
Pavel Ivanoff from Jordanville. The name of Fr. Nicolas Artemoff from
Munich was also mentioned.
About this committee, I would add an extract of an email sent to me
by one of his member (to whom i began to send some info and articles
as Keston reports, and about links between MP and russian mafia,
illegal rackets) :
"Date : vendredi 24 novembre 2000 20:59
I am aware that I have received an obedience to be on a commitee to
deal with issues regarding the MP. We have not yet met, so I am
unaware what the goals of the committee are." (as emails are not
official proofs and can be denied at any time, i don't even see it
necessary to mention the author, but have it available on my
So our Sobor would have appointed a committee whose goals have not
been defined and explained to member(s)on such a major topic that
divides all of us in a terrible battle right now, suspecting each
others of "treason"???? If such a committee does ever exist (no
official existence since no official info from official ROCOR site)
how would it be possible to work for members spread over 2
continents, and certainly very busy persons? What could anyone
conclude about the authors of the works they would ever jointly sign?
Living in Europe and having many friends there, I take this
opportunity to say a few words about Geneva. I have read about
the "other priest (Fr Adrian) who would be studying now in Russia",
the one who has not been allowed to celebrate as he did not bring
repentance like Fr. Pavel did : oficially he is "ill" and people have
not seen him in Geneva for a long time. Anyway, this is only gossips,
and i don't think talking it would add anything to the "smouta" our
Church is undergoing, and noone seems to put an end to this.
I am not at all a specialist on Church history, on Canon Laws, on
Church politics, i only try to be the best possible "orthodox
christian" i can, and thus cannot judge anyone else except myself.
I can only express the feeling of a humble laic, who, as many others
in Europe, have had their "golden age" for nearly half a century with
our beloved archbishop Vl. Antony of eternal memory who left us 7
years ago for a better world. We were far from all these "politics"
as Vl.Antony did not tolerate any gossip and we all loved him and
respected him, and all our Synod through him. We now have to face
that we, all of us, are simple human beings capable of mistakes.
Very difficult for us to find the frontier between true information,
manipulation, expression of envy, power, revenge, etc...
So many good and bad feelings seem to be hidden behind the words full
of piety and humility with which everyone from all sides ends their
statements. How separate the good from the bad? So many questions
remain unanswered by our Synod.
I'm sorry to have been a little long, maybe too personal, and to have
more asked questions that said interesting things. We are in Europe
just closer to Russia in many points, and are in a good position to
know and understand what happens there.
I wish we could all remain on ideas and circulate verified
information, without personal attacks and judgements.
Please forgive me if i ever hurt anyone, and let us not forget each
oursleves in our prayers.
Wish you all a Nativity lent full of graces!
- God bless you, Fr. Basil from Canberra, and protect you in your coming surgery!
Indeed, your words on dialogue are well spoken. With Bishop
Gabriel's blessing, I expect perhaps early next year to enter into
"dialogue" with some United Methodists in this part of the country.
Rest assured that we will not be seeking autocephaly from them, or
offering in any way to compromise the Orthodox Faith! Rather, the
difficult question (and the more guidance I get the happier I will
be) is how, indeed, to approach such a meeting making it clear from
the very outset that there can be NO compromise in matters of the
Faith without effectively slamming the door before it gets open.
--Fr. Gregory Williams
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