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  • LJames6034@aol.com
    Unlike the Calvinists (I recently encountered an Orthodox Presbyterian, on a flight back from Minneapolis), who used to delight in believing that one of the
    Message 1 of 3 , Jul 31, 2000
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      Unlike the Calvinists (I recently encountered an "Orthodox Presbyterian," on
      a flight back from Minneapolis), who used to delight in believing that one of
      the particular joys of the blessed is to behold the torment of the damned
      (that is what Thomas Aquinas and Calvin both taught), let us hope NO ONE goes
      to hell. Judas, by his choices, made our salvation possible.

      There is, therefore, a sense in which Judas was fully active in the plan of
      salvation, a man whose "work" (however contemptable, in human terms) is no
      worse than that of the person whom Jesus healed of demons. Jesus said to
      him: "See that you sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."

      And what did the man do? He went out and told the Jewish leaders it was
      Jesus who had healed him. Thus, he did a sinful thing, and, presumably, "a
      worse thing" came upon him.

      Maybe, at the last, even Satan can repent?

      Father Andrew
    • Rd. Constantine Wright
      Bless, Father! Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory Forever! ... I really hope that s a joke, Father. What you re speaking of is the particular doctrine called the
      Message 2 of 3 , Aug 1, 2000
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        Bless, Father!

        Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory Forever!

        >From: Fr. Andrew <LJames6034@...>
        >Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] Troparia for Fathers of First Six >Ecumenical
        >Councils an...
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        >Maybe, at the last, even Satan can repent?

        I really hope that's a joke, Father.

        What you're speaking of is the particular doctrine called the "apocatastasis
        ton panton." It's Originist, and was condemned along with him by an
        Oecumenical Synod.

        With Christ's love,
        Constantine

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      • Rev. John R. Shaw
        Actually, the word is Origenist --from the name of Origen--as opposed to origin as in original sin . ... and was condemned along with him by an
        Message 3 of 3 , Aug 2, 2000
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          Actually, the word is "Origenist"--from the name of Origen--as
          opposed to "origin" as in "original sin".

          > ton panton." It's Originist,
          and was condemned along with him by an > Oecumenical Synod.
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          > With Christ's love,
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