Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: The Revniteli Society of Metropolitan Anthony of Blessed Memory
- Does Fr.Victor consider the statements below from our new Russian
Martyrs, previous hierarch's and Synod Resolution, attacks on our
"All of the elections of Patriarchs in Moscow, beginning in 1943,
are invalid on the basis of the 30th Canon of the Holy Apostles
and the 3rd Canon of the 7th Ecumenical Council"
"We will not give the Church as a sacrifice over
to the mercy of the BETRAYERS OF GOD and foul
politicians and agents of atheism and destruction.
And by this protest we do NOT cut ourselves off from
her, but WE cut THEM off from US and boldly say: not
only have we NOT gone away and do NOT go away and will
NEVER go away from the bosom of the TRUE Orthodox
Church, but those who are not with us and for us but
are against us we consider Her ENEMIES, BETRAYERS, AND
MURDERERS. It is not WE who go into schism by not
submitting to Metropolitan Sergius, but rather YOU who
are obedient to him go with him into THE ABYSS OF THE
CHURCH'S CONDEMNATION.---Saint Joseph of Petrograd,
Excerpts from St.Metr.Philaret's letter to fr.Victor Potapov.
[..."we receive the clergymen from Moscow not as ones possessing
grace, but as ones receiving it by the very act of union. But to
recognize the church of the evil-doers as the bearer and
repository of grace, that we cannot do, of course. For outside
of Orthodoxy there is no grace; and the Soviet church has
deprived itself of grace."]
What then is the Soviet church? Archimandrite Constantine has
often and insistently stated that the most horrible thing that
the God-hating regime has done in Russia is the creation of the
Soviet Church, which the Bolsheviks presented to the people as
the true Church, having driven the genuine Orthodox
Church into the catacombs or into the concentration camps.
This pseudo-church has been twice anathematized."
At this time the then Archbishop Vitaly (Ustinov) of Montreal
concurred totally with Metropolitan Philaret's evaluation. In a
sympathetic yet uncompromising article which he published in the
August 1980 *Parish Newsletter* of his St. Nicholas Cathedral in
Montreal... he wrote: "... And in this good, urgent impulse of
ours we somehow completely forgot a very important fact which no
power can erase from life ... Father Dimitry forgot, as we all
did, this fact which cannot be wiped away by time or by
life. And this fact is the Soviet Moscow Patriarchate. We are in
no way mistaken when we call the Patriarchate Soviet ... Such a
corrupt, anti-canonical organism was not able, of course, to
inspire Father Dimitry to follow the way of confession, much less
of martyrdom, to the end. Father Dimitry's whole mistake is found
in the fact that, although he often condemned and exposed his
Soviet hierarchs, still he never separated himself from the
Patriarchate as an organism, but even defended it as his own
under * article * section. Letter to a priest concerning the
origin and status of the Moscow Patriarchate By Metropolitan
Vitaly ..."the Moscow Patriarchate has lost the Apostolic
Succession, which is to say, that it has lost the Grace of
--- frvictor@... wrote:
> We have been enduring, tolerating such insults on this listhis letter on the history of church relations, "ROCA, The Beacon
> such as "you are red as a beat." But don't worry, such
> Macarthyite tactics will not stop the faithful from defending
> the conciliar decisions of our Church.
> The complaint, however, dear moderator, is not over the
> personal insults which you repeatedly permit on this list, but
> the attacks on our Church, on the coniliar decisions of our
> Church and on our bishops which you permit. You say we should
> just endure, yet in all the times you chose to jump in, it is
> over Fr. Vadim's very mild post.
> I think this all proves, once again, that this list has hit a
> dead end, and it is time to put it out of its misery. On the
> other hand, if it allows a forum for those who think they are
> smarter than our bishops to vent, and in the process feel they
> are making somce difference, then I suppose it serves some
> Priest Victor Boldewskul
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Rev Fr Mark Gilstrap" <fr.mark@...>
> --- In email@example.com, DDD <dimitradd@...>
> > DD: And yet, how many times have we had to endure the term
> "pro-union" or even the derogatory "pro-unia" labels?
> Father Nikita Grigoriev, Rector of St John of Kronstadt parish
> in Utica MY, and Instructor of Apologetics at Jordanville, in
of Light", uses the terms Pro-Union and Contra-Union which he
then abbreviates as PU and CU.
>of Pro-Union as an
> I don't know what the original Russian terms were, but in
> English this is decidedly a zinger. Otherwise I never thought
> insult. But maybe that's because I am pro-union in a very real,you see, there
> but cautious, way. ("Life is not so simple as to be able to
> pigeonhole everyone")
> One could also interpret the english abbreviation "CU" as a
> departing comment, and thereby turn it into an insult too. So
> is always a balance, but we only seem to wince and complain__________________________________________________
> when it is
> our ox being gored. Maybe we should instead try to, more often,
> just endure.
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
- We need neither McCarthyism (aka agents provocateurs) or communist
sympathizers, both extremes of which tend to bring out the other.
I don't think it is a phenomenon of personal stereotype. I think it is
a phenomenon that grows out of the divisive use of lies such as have
been sprinkled into our ears by the MP.
That has been the purpose of that organization since it gave itself to