- The NY Times ran an article, on Saturday, 29 Jan., which discussed the Orthodox and mentioned that Orthodox Christians used to attend Episcopal churches,Message 1 of 3 , Jan 31, 2000View SourceThe NY Times ran an article, on Saturday, 29 Jan., which discussed the
Orthodox and mentioned that Orthodox Christians used to attend Episcopal
churches, before our own were established. The whole tenor of the article
was with reference to the intercommunion of the Episcopal Church and the
Having read the posting about the Greeks in Toronto, I wonder if the above
article was not "planted," in some sense, a form of run-it-up-the-pole to
see who salutes?
Somewhere or the other, I have a letter written by an Antiochian archbishop
to the Episcopalians, whom he regarded as having lied to him. In that
letter, addressed to his own faithful on this continent, he forbade them to
have association with the Episcopalians in sacred things.
In my system of filing, I follow the "Everything has its place" formula, but
it develops into "everything every place" system, in reality. Nevertheless,
I can usually find things. It just takes me a while. Maybe one of you know
of the above letter, and are better organized than I?
If we do not answer, the Times article will be mistaken for the truth.
- If we do not answer, the Times article will be mistaken for the truth. That s a mistake I never make.Message 2 of 3 , Feb 1, 2000View Source"If we do not answer, the Times article will be mistaken for the truth. "
That's a mistake I never make.
- Bless your heart, John Hoyle, neither do I. And, thanks to Father Ambrose in New Zealand, for supplying Bishop RAFAEL s letter. I sent his post to The NYMessage 3 of 3 , Feb 1, 2000View SourceBless your heart, John Hoyle, neither do I.
And, thanks to Father Ambrose in New Zealand, for supplying Bishop RAFAEL's
letter. I sent his post to The NY Times, with the request that Bishop
RAFAEL's letter be published verbatim, as a corrective to the Saturday
Will they do that? Probably not. Nevertheless, they cannot (at least the
reader of the post cannot) fail to know we do, in fact, have something to say
about the disinformation being assembled (from whatever source).
Instead, if I know the print medium, they may focuse upon Bishop AFTIMIOS,
who was, in fact, sent here by Moscow. He discovered girls. He left the
Church and married. Then, he made bishops.
Remarkable that no one thought to tell him Orthodox ordination does not work
that way, isn't it?
The "American Orthodox Church" with headquarters at Antioch, TN, is, I
believe what remains of that struggle on Aftimios's part to do something,
even if it was the wrong thing, to further the Orthodox Church in the USA.
I put it that way, because I do not wish to denigrate his motives. I did
not know him (obviously), and have no idea what he meant to do by what he
did. I just know that the Augustinian notion of "indelible character"
conferred at ordination is a Western, not an Orthodox position.
Once Aftimios left his monastic orders, by marrying, he, likewise, if my
reading of canon 6 of the Council in Trullo is correct (and it is!), gave up
Father Andrew (Laurence J. James, Ph.D.) in Ohio.