Re: "Enemies of the Church" lists
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Fr. Alexey Chumakov" <achumakov@...>
>JRS: That is: "Blagovest" reported that, quite to the contrary, what was really said was that
> To put this matter to rest, those of you who can read in Russian can
> find here not only transcripts but also mp3 recordings from this
> conference. For those who can not, I can say that there is nothing
> like what was reported
efforts should be made in missionary work and catechization.
Fr. John R. Shaw
- Hello again Malcolm, my first reply to you has got lost somewhere in
the system, but you didn't miss anything, just a bit rambling on
--- In email@example.com, malcolm robertson
>the urge to chime in on a few points. Your patient indulgence is
> ALHQWS ANESTH (XPICTOC BOCKRECE)
> Warm greetings to all in Christ.
> I have been a lurker on this site for sometime now and do feel
>in themselves (Mal. 2:6-8), to be deemed worthy of double honor (1
> 1. While the clergy are suppose to hold the truth of the faith
Tim 5:16-18; 1 Tim 5:1f) and are to instruct the lost in the way (2
Tim 4:1-3; Tit 1:8-10; 1 Tim 4:5-7), no one should view them as
infallible (1 Tim 4:11-13) - at least not as we do the Apostles (2
Thess. 3:13-15; 2 Tim 3:15-17; Acts 20:27 etc.). They are men too
and accountable to God (James 3:1).
>or isolated society repressed by a godless communist regime.
> 2. The face of Russia is changing. She is no longer a closed
Nevertheless, although Orthodoxy may be the recognized state
religion MOST Russians still consult their horoscopes for daily
guidance instead of the living God who can act (Matt 7:6-12; John
14:13-15). Russia is becoming in this regard much like America -
with it's attendent problems and circumstances. The publishing
houses and individual parishes will be forced to address new,
unheard of, and challeging issues that the world will present in
various forms (1 John 2:18; 1 Tim 4:1-6; 2 Tim 3:1-9 etc.). But the
Word of God abides forever.
>ofttimes is not so. The right of the laity (Christ's sheep) to
> 3. A benighted laity in Orthodoxy should not be the norm. It
question and form opinions is not simply a civil right afforded by
the constituion of the United States for it's citizens but is the
inherant right of any human being - not the least of which and
particularly Christians (Mat 7:15-23; 1 Cor.14:20, 29; Acts 20:27-
38; 2 Tim 2; 1 John 2 :20, 27; also cf Matthew 23). Matthew 7:1-5
does not forbid the formation of an opinion but the self-righteous,
hypocritical condemnation of others.
>conjures up recollections of godless Soviet regime propaganda lists
> 4. I am sure that the phrase "Enemies of the Church list"
and tactics that are still quite pychologically disconcerting to
many of us. However, the Church has always notified it's flock of
the reality and real presence of such individuals. Even so
Patriarch Tikhon did thus. The warnings issued to Israel about the
surrounding godless nations and their abominable practices. The
warnings of Jesus (Matt. 7:15ff; Matt 23: John 14:6; John 10 & 15);
Paul (Philippians 3:17-21 & 3:1-3 et al); Peter (2 Peter 2); Jude;
and John (1 John 2:22f; 4:1-3; 2 John 1:7-10; 3 John 9f). In
addition the early Apostolic Fathers (Papias, Polycarp, Ignatius,
Clement) and Apologists (Justin Martyr and Irenaeus) all spoke
aginst identified "enemies" of the Gospel. Anathemas (the first
issued by Paul (1 Cor. 16:32) have been issued by early Church
councils (Nicea A.D. 325) and since. The infamous heretics Simon
> 8), Nicolaitanes et al (Rev 2 & 3), Cerinthus (Irenaeus 3.3;Eusebius Hist. Eccl, 3.28; 4:14), Marcion (Tertullian, Adv. Marc).,
the Gnostic Basilides (Eusebius, Hist Eccl, 4.7.6-8), and the
Gnostic Valentinus (Irenaeus, Adv Haer. 1.21.4-5; Epiphanius
>lump summing of individuals and organizations under the
> But caution and circumspection must be exercised. A wholesale
word "Enemies" can be quite problematic if not attended with sound
theological reasons. It is one thing to defend the faith (cf Jude
3). It is an entire other thing to adopt and execute with the none
spiritual weapons of the world (cf Eph. 6:10-24).
>and Russian is my mother tongue (although because of necessity
> At any rate I just wanted to chime in. I am of Russian descent
English has the ascendancy). The closest Russian Orthodox
congregation is too far away to be actively involved. Consequently
I attend Church elsewhere.
>different. Just radically better.
> Because He lives,
> Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically
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